First cycle looking for advice

[HAW60829]

Hi everyone, I’m looking for some advice on the safety of the cycle and protocol I have in mind.
Background: 28m lifted naturally for 10 years. Already have kids and diagnosed with hypogonadism which is currently being treated with Clomid/arimidex (allowed me to have kids). Do not plan for more kids. Never done a steroid cycle.
I am currently 266 at 6 ft tall not exactly sure of bf but probably 30+%. Will begin cruising or trt following the cycle not interested in pct.

My goals are to lose 4 lbs a week at a 2000 calorie deficit and recomp. My tdee right now is approx 2800 kcal/day. Which I expect to be over 3000+ with clen, t3 and t4. I’ll be eating 1750 calories 210p 32f 148 carb and enough cardio to balance out the 4 lbs/week with MacroFactor estimates.

Days 1-66



250/ml Test cyp 350 week 50/day .2 ml

100/ml Mast prop 210/week 30/day .3 ml

100/ml Primobolan 210/week 30/day .3ml

30 mcg t3 ed

120 mcg t4 ed

Anavar 25mg ed



Days 67-100


250/ml Test cyp 350 week 50/day .2 ml

200/ml Mast e 400 week 1ml 2x a week

30 mcg t3

120 mcg t4

Clen protocol: 40mcg ed for two weeks then 80 mcg 6 weeks.

Have Anastrozole on hand for ancillary would like input on whether that would be all I need or should I acquire nolvadex as well.

I plan to get bloods before, half-way through, and before going on vacation to check liver before alcoholing it.

Going on summer vacation for a week partying following the cycle so stopping orals 4 weeks before the alcohol and possibly coke begins.

 

[Swole_Wes]

The ol' 'kitchen sink' cycle before vacation, lol Just in case this is a serious ask, and not a troll post, drop everything but the test

 

[HAW60829]

The ol' 'kitchen sink' cycle before vacation, lol Just in case this is a serious ask, and not a troll post, drop everything but the test

What would be the issues with this cycle? It is a serious ask lol. Health problems? If so in what form.

 

[Androgenocide]

What would be the issues with this cycle? It is a serious ask lol. Health problems? If so in what form.

It’s too much shit and you don’t have any experience with PED’s. If something gives you issues you won’t even know what compound is the culprit. Get on TRT and just diet down to a respectable bodyfat level before you consider using anything else.

Oh, and if you want to start using steroids then kiss cocaine goodbye forever. That’s just begging to blow your heart out. Your kids need a father more than you need to get high and be jacked. Good luck.

 

[trtabisy71]

I ain't no expert, but I'm pretty sure that for a first cycle that's way too much shit, and being at 30% bodyfat ain't helping you, at best you do trt and just loose the weight, forget about the whole "i nEed TO bUilD MuScLE And LooSE FaT" thing because that's making you wanna add all the compounds. Just Trt and that's it if you're gonna be smart.

A lot of people surprise me with the "First Cycle" Threads, might as well start with superdrol and halo for a first cycle right...?

 

[HAW60829]

It’s too much shit and you don’t have any experience with PED’s. If something gives you issues you won’t even know what compound is the culprit. Get on TRT and just diet down to a respectable bodyfat level before you consider using anything else.

Oh, and if you want to start using steroids then kiss cocaine goodbye forever. That’s just begging to blow your heart out. Your kids need a father more than you need to get high and be jacked. Good luck.

Good advice on the coke. Harsh words. Not entertaining a trt dose though. At minimum it would just be a 500 test cyp/week. And since I’m higher bf the arimidex while getting e2 checked regularly.

 

[HAW60829]

Assuming I don’t have any serious sides, introducing 1 at a time after each reaches peak concentration would be enough to tell which compound would be the culprit of any would be problems correct?

 

[trtabisy71]

Assuming I don’t have any serious sides, introducing 1 at a time after each reaches peak concentration would be enough to tell which compound would be the culprit of any would be problems correct?

 

[Wardamn]

 

[bwh998]

Thats pretty good but you should add in some methyl tren and cheque drops.

 

[01dragonslayer]

Imo....probably not what want to hear but you're body is not ready to start cycling.

BF needs to come down....at a minimum of 20% but optimally you should be around 15% prior to starting.

Adding erogenous hormones currently could cause issues with gyno.

Your body needs preparation prior to beginning a cycle.

 

[Reaper7]

This whole post is a mess. Just to reiterate what everyone else is saying - I think you have the wrong idea in regard to what using peds is going to provide. Also, I’d recommend increasing your calories and slowly pulling food over time. Youre absolutely going to crash and burn with the macros you posted. It’s also completely unnecessary to play with thyroid hormones unless bloodwork shows a deficiency - or maybe if you’re dieting for a show.

 

[HAW60829]

Imo....probably not what want to hear but you're body is not ready to start cycling.

BF needs to come down....at a minimum of 20% but optimally you should be around 15% prior to starting.

Adding erogenous hormones currently could cause issues with gyno.

Your body needs preparation prior to beginning a cycle.

This makes sense. I’m currently on Clomid+arimidex permanently for hypogonadism. Would say 250 test cyp/week and .5mg arimidex per day ( my current prescription.)and perhaps some low dose clen for 8 weeks work a bit better do you think?

 

[Wardamn]

This makes sense. I’m currently on Clomid+arimidex permanently for hypogonadism. Would say 250 test cyp/week and .5mg arimidex per day ( my current prescription.)and perhaps some low dose clen for 8 weeks work a bit better do you think?

I think a decent diet would work the best.

 

[trtabisy71]

This makes sense. I’m currently on Clomid+arimidex permanently for hypogonadism. Would say 250 test cyp/week and .5mg arimidex per day ( my current prescription.)and perhaps some low dose clen for 8 weeks work a bit better do you think?

Just chug the whole Clen tabs down and the test at this point since you wanna do dumb things

 

[HAW60829]

This whole post is a mess. Just to reiterate what everyone else is saying - I think you have the wrong idea in regard to what using peds is going to provide. Also, I’d recommend increasing your calories and slowly pulling food over time. Youre absolutely going to crash and burn with the macros you posted. It’s also completely unnecessary to play with thyroid hormones unless bloodwork shows a deficiency - or maybe if you’re dieting for a show.

I have a better understanding now, I intend to take things low dose, slow and one compound at a time. Regarding the diet and t3/4 my intention was to keep metabolic rate good during extreme deficit to prevent crashing, am I misunderstanding the use of t3/4 with this? For reference I’m currently on a 1600 calorie deficit for the last few weeks no cravings. No peds yet.

 

[01dragonslayer]

This makes sense. I’m currently on Clomid+arimidex permanently for hypogonadism. Would say 250 test cyp/week and .5mg arimidex per day ( my current prescription.)and perhaps some low dose clen for 8 weeks work a bit better do you think?

Agreed with @Wardamn above. Diet needs to be in check. Don't know your history in terms of past thermo use but a mild thermo would benefit ya.

 

[HAW60829]

Just chug the whole Clen tabs down and the test at this point since you wanna do dumb things

Thanks for the kind response. I appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge with me since I’m ignorant.

 

[Androgenocide]

This makes sense. I’m currently on Clomid+arimidex permanently for hypogonadism. Would say 250 test cyp/week and .5mg arimidex per day ( my current prescription.)and perhaps some low dose clen for 8 weeks work a bit better do you think?

You’re prescribed .5mg Arimidex a day for hypogonadism? Why? That doesn’t make sense

Do you feel like absolute dogshit?

 

[HAW60829]

It does make sense my estrogen was 60 and my test was 600. I was over converting the Clomid and getting gyno but fuck who cares about gyno at this point already had that natty which is hereditary for my family. Gonna have to have surgery eventually anyway to get it removed. But before Clomid my test was 172 ng/dl e2 was 12. E2 side effects I noticed go away pretty quickly. I don’t feel like shit but it’s hard to tell since I’ve been on it for a year it’s just normal.

 

[JKUR2903]

I see this is goal dependent and you are going to do what you are going to do. What is your goal, just look good on vacation at all cost, fuck your health? If so, your plan would do it. Based on your cavalier attitude towards substances that could have serious long term consequences, this seems like a short term pursuit.

If you are serious about meaningful long term results, I second or third the diet down to sub 20% body fat. You are already running test too high for a first cycle. If I have learned anything from this forum it is respect the substances, shit can go sideways quick. Marathon not sprint.

 

[Dano22]

I think you’d be just fine with some test and mast man . No need for the other garbage, sure getting lean first will do you more justice. If having test and mast , shit even the Anavar keeps you motivated and gets you moving it’s not gnna fuckin kill you . Keep test low, watch estrogen and hit it like you live man

 

[HAW60829]

Yes the goal is pretty important to me. I’m not disregarding the comments. It’s equal parts arrogance with the lack of concern of sides outside of life threatening ones. Gyno, don’t care getting surgery for it next year. Bald? Dont care highly unlikely since no one in my family is bald and my hair line has been a rock my entire life. But even if I did go bald I don’t care I shave my head in the summers usually anyway because it’s comfortable. Acne? Never had issues but have great insurance and good blood work low bp and intend to be getting blood work done regularly before during and after cycle. Worried about aromatizing in general because of bf%? I’m already taking arimidex prescribed by a doctor. I would really be changing Clomid to test cyp which is probably easier on the liver if I had to guess. And I had planned to go 250mg/week after the responses I have gotten which I feel is not a dose that would have high risk of sides. Excluding all other shit I had planned.

 

[Dano22]

I stopped reading at don’t care about gyno , trust me buddy . YOU DO NOT WANT GYNO

 

[HAW60829]

I stopped reading at don’t care about gyno , trust me buddy . YOU DO NOT WANT GYNO

I mean unfortunately it’s just too late to care. Had it my entire life and am gonna get it removed next year. Besides the fact I’m on an ai year round.

 

[Maxwell]

This guy doesn't listen why are we entertaining him.

 

[HAW60829]

This guy doesn't listen why are we entertaining him.

Not sure what you’re talking about. My plan when I made the post has vastly changed because of the discussion. Of course you would have known that had you read the discussion instead of just commenting without reading.

 

[KingoftheNorth14]

Hi everyone, I’m looking for some advice on the safety of the cycle and protocol I have in mind.
Background: 28m lifted naturally for 10 years. Already have kids and diagnosed with hypogonadism which is currently being treated with Clomid/arimidex (allowed me to have kids). Do not plan for more kids. Never done a steroid cycle.
I am currently 266 at 6 ft tall not exactly sure of bf but probably 30+%. Will begin cruising or trt following the cycle not interested in pct.

My goals are to lose 4 lbs a week at a 2000 calorie deficit and recomp. My tdee right now is approx 2800 kcal/day. Which I expect to be over 3000+ with clen, t3 and t4. I’ll be eating 1750 calories 210p 32f 148 carb and enough cardio to balance out the 4 lbs/week with MacroFactor estimates.

Days 1-66



250/ml Test cyp 350 week 50/day .2 ml

100/ml Mast prop 210/week 30/day .3 ml

100/ml Primobolan 210/week 30/day .3ml

30 mcg t3 ed

120 mcg t4 ed

Anavar 25mg ed



Days 67-100


250/ml Test cyp 350 week 50/day .2 ml

200/ml Mast e 400 week 1ml 2x a week

30 mcg t3

120 mcg t4

Clen protocol: 40mcg ed for two weeks then 80 mcg 6 weeks.

Have Anastrozole on hand for ancillary would like input on whether that would be all I need or should I acquire nolvadex as well.

I plan to get bloods before, half-way through, and before going on vacation to check liver before alcoholing it.

Going on summer vacation for a week partying following the cycle so stopping orals 4 weeks before the alcohol and possibly coke begins.

This is excessive to say the least. That’s a lot of drugs for a first cycle and first time user of the orals/cutting drugs.

 

[Maxwell]

Oh I definately read the conversation. you should be taking 200mg test and a diet nothing else. ill even point you toward a cook book that he makes good tasting food that has good macros... look up Jack Perez on YouTube and in one of his **** calorie full day eating videos will be his cook book.

 

[Androgenocide]

It does make sense my estrogen was 60 and my test was 600. I was over converting the Clomid and getting gyno but fuck who cares about gyno at this point already had that natty which is hereditary for my family. Gonna have to have surgery eventually anyway to get it removed. But before Clomid my test was 172 ng/dl e2 was 12. E2 side effects I noticed go away pretty quickly. I don’t feel like shit but it’s hard to tell since I’ve been on it for a year it’s just normal.

No, that’s an insane dose of AI.

…im getting trolled. Aren’t I?