Debate #6...DHB...

[zionoir626]

Like previous Debates...
This One we look at Many things about DHB/1Test Cyp....

What's the half-life..??
Ester is Cyp..??
Can be used.. without a Test Base..??

I'm on my 2nd use of this Compound..
Trying It differently this time..
The first Run was Last yr..
Test/NPP/DHB....
Very impressed..

BUT.. I noticed gains and results Very Quickly..
Like in days.. Not wks..
So.. Topic.. Why faster gains with a Cyp ester..??

What really is the half-life..??

AND....
The Topic Most disagree with..
No Test Base...
There's some compounds you can get away with this....DHB...Trest..
And..Tren.. From personal experience..

One though about a non Test base cycle..
You can really see the Full effect of a compound without Test in the Mix...

Would the absence of Test Base increase Free Test levels..??
OR
Even clear some receptors Up..??
Questions that are Never asked or Even considered..

Just like the compounds that have AI qualities.. people are seeing Many benefits with those combating estrogen or Even then causing E2 crashes..
We've unearthed some real answers too estrogen control without harsh additives.
Positive moves that change the Game..for Many..

This is the Purpose for Said Debates..
Putting our experiences on the Table, looking deeper and discussing..
All...of the stuff we Use..
Is still so Young.. maybe out 60..70 Maybe 100yrs..??

Without controlled testing... it's all Theory..
Plus... theses are reference Threads for New Guys to do to gain insight..and Vets Like Me..
Cheers
Z...

 

[littlegainsinmass]

I'll be watching this close. I'm interested in DHB I've seen people say to pin 2x and 3x times a week and 500-600mg a week. I believe if I were to start today I'd do 2x a week at 500mg with test at 300mg. I'd do blood work 5 weeks in to check test and others, but DHB is very new to me so I'm looking for help

 

[zionoir626]

First Run was DHB higher than Test...
A TRT Test Dose... I think I topped at 300 DHB..
This trial is lower than Test...
Like with any New Compound... Start Low and ramp Up if All is good..
DHB is Very effective and really works nicely when everything else is on point...

A Nice alternative to Tren...
OR
As some Call it...Old Man's Tren..LoL
Z...

 

[The3rdman]

What kind of sides did/have you experienced with DHB?

 

[Cpillar2019]

Interested in this compound, but have read stories of terrible PIP. What was your experience and/or what methods best reduced?

 

[zionoir626]

Nothing to complain about at that Dose...
I've heard some Tren like sides when above 4-500...
Yes..PIP is an issue..but the upper level sources report none..
Best DHB protocol is too cut it with something else..1:1 is Best..

It's an impressive compound.. I'm thinking of ending with it with a Tbol/Var combo at the End..
Z...

 

[Papasmurf]

I’ve had no PIP issues from PSL, very smooth @Vision 👍

 

[Vision]

I’ve had no PIP issues from PSL, very smooth @Vision 👍

Hey brother how you been man?
I was wondering how you made out with that..
There's quite a few solids that ran this from EP/PSL that have said there was no discomfort. I seen one guy say there was slightly discomfort but minimal.
Crashing seem to be the only issue during the cold months

 

[Papasmurf]

Hey brother how you been man?
I was wondering how you made out with that..
There's quite a few solids that ran this from EP/PSL that have said there was no discomfort. I seen one guy say there was slightly discomfort but minimal.
Crashing seem to be the only issue during the cold months

Doing well brother! About 3 weeks into this cycle with multiple DHB pins, no issues at all. I was pleasantly surprised with all the talk about discomfort surrounding DHB.

 

[that0lred]

Interested in this compound, but have read stories of terrible PIP. What was your experience and/or what methods best reduced?

I can recommend one of our sponsors for dhb that had little to non existing pip In my experience.
Psl , I've pinned it alone and with my test and was smooth every time.

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[zionoir626]

Yeah some sources got their shit together..
BUT
Still Best to cut it..it will build up and cause PIP..Not worth the Risk..
Nothing F's a cycle like PIP..LOL
Z...

 

[Vision]

I can recommend one of our sponsors for dhb that had little to non existing pip In my experience.
Psl , I've pinned it alone and with my test and was smooth every time.

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I have seen a lot of feedback regarding PSL's DHB.. it's one of our best sellers.
When we first offered it I had my reservations because of the pip reputation.
How many mgs did you do?

 

[big_rich]

I have seen a lot of feedback regarding PSL's DHB.. it's one of our best sellers.
When we first offered it I had my reservations because of the pip reputation.
How many mgs did you do?

Talk of crazy pip kept it off my radar..

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[zionoir626]

Talk of crazy pip kept it off my radar..

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No Brother
. You know who I use..Never a Problem..
Z...

 

[Vision]

Talk of crazy pip kept it off my radar..

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Brother you're not joking with that one man, same here.
Always completely excited that everyone kept coming back with nothing but phenomenal reports.
I was extremely proud and excited to support and endorse the product by standing behind it.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

1. Bc the NPP kicks in quicker.

2. Why would anyone want to run no test as a base if they're already doing an injectable? It makes no sense.

3. I think that's not good "insight" from you personally.

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[zionoir626]

1. Bc the NPP kicks in quicker.

2. Why would anyone want to run no test as a base if they're already doing an injectable? It makes no sense.

3. I think that's not good "insight" from you personally.

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It may have more pluses than Negs...
BUT
It's a taboo subject..
Z...

 

[Papasmurf]

600mg a week and not mixed with anything using EP/PSL and it is smooth. No I’m not running it by itself, just wanted to clarify it wasn’t being mixed and still no discomfort for me.

 

[Vision]

600mg a week and not mixed with anything using EP/PSL and it is smooth. No I’m not running it by itself, just wanted to clarify it wasn’t being mixed and still no discomfort for me.

Man I love it, how's your progress looking in the mirror??

 

[zionoir626]

Personally.. I need a bigger Mirror..LoL
Z...

 

[Papasmurf]

Man I love it, how's your progress looking in the mirror??

A little fluffy right now but getting bigger and stronger. Yes, for those that chime in, I’m a little fat right now🤣

 

[zionoir626]

Nice...
Z...

 

[Vision]

A little fluffy right now but getting bigger and stronger. Yes, for those that chime in, I’m a little fat right now🤣

Brother you're an absolute beast

What's your routine like for your chest?
You're phenomenal cross-sectional development.. what do you do for upper chest?

 

[Jaxz]

Test is the base of all cycles . What good is it of you shut down your test . None

 

[zionoir626]

I disagree...with respect...
Some compounds don't require a Base...
Tren is One..
Z...

 

[Jaxz]

Okay ,lol as a general rule all cycles need test .

I disagree...with respect...
Some compounds don't require a Base...
Tren is One..
Z..

 

[CompoundLifts31]

A little fluffy right now but getting bigger and stronger. Yes, for those that chime in, I’m a little fat right now

Papa Smurf really works out... Noted

If that's fat, your boy is obese!!

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[Vision]

Test is the base of all cycles . What good is it of you shut down your test . None

Believe it or not, in a lot of guys are surprised by this and this is nothing new and I've been saying it for probably a decade now. That a lot of the boys coming out of the Middle East don't use any test.
Some of these boys use a decent amount of tren and other compounds as the workhorse, and they don't use any test at all. Some of these boys say they feel great, and the ones that don't talk about it look great.
But there's no way I could go with no test.
With the Cascade of events and side effects that I get and many other triggered side effects, I couldn't imagine the complex issues that I would experience without test.

 

[Vision]

Papa Smurf really works out... Noted

If that's fat, your boy is obese!!

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He don't fuck around.
One thing I do admire and I got to admit it, I have a lot of respect for the boys that have no tattoos man.
There's a big difference from having a little bit of ink or being heavily ain't like I am. And then when you see someone that looks phenomenal and they have no ink on them, I think it looks great.

 

[Deeman]

Super satiated to here more about this