help with masteron

[charles bacon]

hello family i have a question about mast e and mast p , i have never used it but want to. i now use 50mgs of proviron for SHBG control and anti e ( will never use an AI again ) i feel great on proviron but just want to try something else , what would be a benifit of masteron over proviron and what dose should i run. currently im on 400 test p and 300mgs npp along with 50/day of var , any advice fellas would be highly appreciated

 

[JJB1]

hello family i have a question about mast e and mast p , i have never used it but want to. i now use 50mgs of proviron for SHBG control and anti e ( will never use an AI again ) i feel great on proviron but just want to try something else , what would be a benifit of masteron over proviron and what dose should i run. currently im on 400 test p and 300mgs npp along with 50/day of var , any advice fellas would be highly appreciated

I don’t have much experience with proviron but I’m on basically the same test prop and NPP doses as you and I started with 15mg masteron prop daily and now I’m up to 20mg masteron prop daily. I feel great! It 100% has helped my erections and sex drive. It got rid of the bit of nipple sensitivity I had. I don’t have any joint aches at all from this dose of masteron. Months ago I used masteron enan for a few months and had the same great results as I’m getting from masteron prop. I think I was doing 150mg weekly so 50mg 3 days a week.

 

[charles bacon]

thank you JJ , mast prop and mast e are on my order monday from you know who my new fav lab. going to drop the proviron for a few days then try 15mgs/day of prop , these oils are unbelivible so smooth and thin. whoever is brewing is a master at it. will try the mast e after a few months of the mast prop.

 

[Multislacking]

20mg ED treats me right also.

 

[JJB1]

thank you JJ , mast prop and mast e are on my order monday from you know who my new fav lab. going to drop the proviron for a few days then try 15mgs/day of prop , these oils are unbelivible so smooth and thin. whoever is brewing is a master at it. will try the mast e after a few months of the mast prop.

It’s not against the rules to mention which sponsors you use.

 

[Wiseguy]

hello family i have a question about mast e and mast p , i have never used it but want to. i now use 50mgs of proviron for SHBG control and anti e ( will never use an AI again ) i feel great on proviron but just want to try something else , what would be a benifit of masteron over proviron and what dose should i run. currently im on 400 test p and 300mgs npp along with 50/day of var , any advice fellas would be highly appreciated

Want to be very clear that Masteron is not an anti AI. It has properties but its NOT a replacement for AI. I am not a Deca or NPP fan, but do run Masteron pretty much along with all my cycles. Masteron or Proviron is not going to lower your estrogen on 400mg of test and NPP. Do your blood work and it will be proven.

 

[JJB1]

Want to be very clear that Masteron is not an anti AI. It has properties but its NOT a replacement for AI. I am not a Deca or NPP fan, but do run Masteron pretty much along with all my cycles. Masteron or Proviron is not going to lower your estrogen on 400mg of test and NPP. Do your blood work and it will be proven.

Masteron was used for many years to lower estrogen in women with breast cancer. It’s very effective in lowering estrogen without crashing it like AI’s. The reason they now use AI’s instead of masteron for women with breast cancer is because they want to complete wipe out estrogen.

 

[JJB1]

Drostanolone propionate has been FDA approved[7] as an antiestrogenic drug for the treatment of breast cancer.

Drostanolone propionate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Matt88]

This thread has tons of great information on mast in it.

Masteron questions

Hey guys, I've discovered that any time I add in masteron to my blast or cruise that it tanks (kills) my libido and makes my dick not sensitive at all resulting in it being very difficult to get off. Most recently I added 200mg Mast E to my 250mg Test E cruise. Prior to this on my last blast I...

www.anabolicsteroidforums.com

 

[Wiseguy]

Masteron was used for many years to lower estrogen in women with breast cancer. It’s very effective in lowering estrogen without crashing it like AI’s. The reason they now use AI’s instead of masteron for women with breast cancer is because they want to complete wipe out estrogen.

My friend we are in disagreement. It does have estrogen reducing properties but in now way it’s an AI. I’ve ran masteron for decades. If I am running 200’g of test and two 200 mg of masterin my estrogen levels are fine. Bump it up to 400 mg of test or more even on 400 mg of mastering my estrogen jumps high. I strictly go by blood work with it comes to estrogen or any other markers.

This is based on my experience, and you are correct when we were hitting sustn 250 inntje
Back of golds gym parking lot in the 80s no one was doing AIs and than again Masreron wasn’t even that popular.
Everyone wanted to get huge on tear, diol and deca.

Good conversation though and I appreciate and respect your opinion.

 

[Matt88]

As i understand.

AIs was not around when masteron was created and used for breast cancer patients. The creation of AIs is why they replaced masteron for those patients due to it's effectiveness combined with administration of the protocol.

The masteron dosage for cancer patients was massive!! It was masteron prop as well bc masteron Enanthate wasn't ever made by a pharmaceutical company. UGLs started it Mast E.

 

[JJB1]

My friend we are in disagreement. It does have estrogen reducing properties but in now way it’s an AI. I’ve ran masteron for decades. If I am running 200’g of test and two 200 mg of masterin my estrogen levels are fine. Bump it up to 400 mg of test or more even on 400 mg of mastering my estrogen jumps high. I strictly go by blood work with it comes to estrogen or any other markers.

This is based on my experience, and you are correct when we were hitting sustn 250 inntje
Back of golds gym parking lot in the 80s no one was doing AIs and than again Masreron wasn’t even that popular.
Everyone wanted to get huge on tear, diol and deca.

Good conversation though and I appreciate and respect your opinion.

I’m kind of prejudice in that my joints killed on exemestane, anastrozole, and forget about letrozol. I have bad arthritis so I found out quick AI’s weren’t for me. Now that being said, when I had a bad gyno flare up I jumped on exemestane and it knocked out my gyno is two weeks but my joints hurt like hell and I could barely train. I hate doctors and rarely do blood work so for me masteron is very easy to manage. If I dose too high I drop it down and the joints are good to go in no time. Many Years ago I read both nolvadex and masteron lowered estrogen by approximately 40%. I think I got that from the old Bill Phillips book on roids in the 90’s. If you use blood work to gauge estrogen then that’s obviously the smartest way to go. I, myself, go by personal experiences, both positive and negative, to gauge what I do. Everything I do is instinctual from training to diet to drugs. I didn’t meant to imply that masteron was an aromatase inhibitor. But it does lower estrogen.

 

[Vision]

Drostanolone propionate has been FDA approved[7] as an antiestrogenic drug for the treatment of breast cancer.

Drostanolone propionate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

My brutha, the study is being interpreted slightly wrong..

It does NOT act as an ANTI estrogen as a traditional AI that we know of, in women it has hormonal dominance as a superior sex hormone over estrogen in women because of this it assists with treatments, along with REC binding properties..
It shines and behaves at times like an AI in women - Because of the ratios that they already have, compared to men with particular hormones and enzymes. Women and not wired to have dominant male sex hormones, especially a DHT.
In men it has similar properties and it exhibits expressions through different mechanisms..

 

[Vision]

I’m kind of prejudice in that my joints killed on exemestane, anastrozole, and forget about letrozol. I have bad arthritis so I found out quick AI’s weren’t for me. Now that being said, when I had a bad gyno flare up I jumped on exemestane and it knocked out my gyno is two weeks but my joints hurt like hell and I could barely train. I hate doctors and rarely do blood work so for me masteron is very easy to manage. If I dose too high I drop it down and the joints are good to go in no time. Many Years ago I read both nolvadex and masteron lowered estrogen by approximately 40%. I think I got that from the old Bill Phillips book on roids in the 90’s. If you use blood work to gauge estrogen then that’s obviously the smartest way to go. I, myself, go by personal experiences, both positive and negative, to gauge what I do. Everything I do is instinctual from training to diet to drugs. I didn’t meant to imply that masteron was an aromatase inhibitor. But it does lower estrogen.

This ^

 

[JJB1]

My brutha, the study is being interpreted slightly wrong..

It does NOT act as an ANTI estrogen as a traditional AI that we know of, in women it has hormonal dominance as a superior sex hormone over estrogen in women because of this it assists with treatments, along with REC binding properties..
It shines and behaves at times like an AI in women - Because of the ratios that they already have, compared to men with particular hormones and enzymes. Women and not wired to have dominant male sex hormones, especially a DHT.
In men it has similar properties and it exhibits expressions through different mechanisms..

I’m listening and learning. Many sites I Google say masteron has anti estrogen and anti progesterone effects, not via traditional AI means, but the same end result occurs which is less estrogenic and progesterone side effects from testosterone conversion to estrogen and progesterone increase in prolactin.

This seems most accurate

“Masteron does not convert to estrogen. Moreover, masteron can decrease estrogenic effects of other steroids by binding itself to the aromatase enzyme. This way, less aromatase enzymes are available to convert testosterone into estrogen.”

 

[Battousai]

I'm looking forward to getting on Masteron, but one compound at a time. For me it seems like a better option because I prefer not to slam potentially toxic orals into my body every day. Especially stacked with Deca/NPP since it can counter the DHT side effects.

 

[HFO3]

I'm looking forward to getting on Masteron, but one compound at a time. For me it seems like a better option because I prefer not to slam potentially toxic orals into my body every day. Especially stacked with Deca/NPP since it can counter the DHT side effects.

not sure where you got that proviron was toxic, but I’ve used both off and on for years and proviron has less far adverse sides than masteron. Mast can be hectic on your prostrate and detrimental to your hair. Proviron for most is no worse than an aspirin a day as far as I'm concerned, however I always recommend try them for yourself, to know for yourself. benefit VS reward +goals = wise decision

both proviron and mast increase libodo and decrease aromitazation, you are the study my friend.

 

[Battousai]

not sure where you got that proviron was toxic, but I’ve used both off and on for years and proviron has less far adverse sides than masteron. Mast can be hectic on your prostrate and detrimental to your hair. Proviron for most is no worse than an aspirin a day as far as I'm concerned, however I always recommend try them for yourself, to know for yourself. benefit VS reward +goals = wise decision

both proviron and mast increase libodo and decrease aromitazation, you are the study my friend.

I meant slamming your body with constant AI's every day. I read some guys that take an AI every single day and that shit can't be good on your organs. I'd rather take some Masteron and/or privorin instead of aromasin/clomid/nolvadex for estrogen control. Just keep the other stuff on hand if it gets too out of control and if I start getting side effects like gyno, hasn't happened to me yet on only low dose test.

 

[JJB1]

I meant slamming your body with constant AI's every day. I read some guys that take an AI every single day and that shit can't be good on your organs. I'd rather take some Masteron and/or privorin instead of aromasin/clomid/nolvadex for estrogen control. Just keep the other stuff on hand if it gets too out of control and if I start getting side effects like gyno, hasn't happened to me yet on only low dose test.

Masteron at the low doses we use, 100-150mg weekly, is very safe. Women with breast cancer were treated with 400mg a week(200mg twice a week) so I’m not concerned.

 

[HFO3]

I meant slamming your body with constant AI's every day. I read some guys that take an AI every single day and that shit can't be good on your organs. I'd rather take some Masteron and/or privorin instead of aromasin/clomid/nolvadex for estrogen control. Just keep the other stuff on hand if it gets too out of control and if I start getting side effects like gyno, hasn't happened to me yet on only low dose test.

yup. I see you POV and I misunderstood the context of you saying “toxic orals” AI’s are way worse for you than increased estrogen levels. Frankly elevated estrogen works well with elevated testosterone imo. I think we were saying the same rings using different verbiage

 

[Battousai]

Masteron at the low doses we use, 100-150mg weekly, is very safe. Women with breast cancer were treated with 400mg a week(200mg twice a week) so I’m not concerned.

Yup. My Masteron dose when I start will be around 150mg. It's the constant use of stuff like clomid and Nolvadex I think could be more damaging.

 

[Wiseguy]

Yup. My Masteron dose when I start will be around 150mg. It's the constant use of stuff like clomid and Nolvadex I think could be more damaging.

I don't have much experience or have done studies on Clomid but Nolvadex is a very harsh and dangerous drugs. Thank God I am on trt and don't need PCT, but some pop Nolva like its candy. Comes with many side effects that is not visual but damaging.

 

[Vision]

I’m listening and learning. Many sites I Google say masteron has anti estrogen and anti progesterone effects, not via traditional AI means, but the same end result occurs which is less estrogenic and progesterone side effects from testosterone conversion to estrogen and progesterone increase in prolactin.

This seems most accurate

“Masteron does not convert to estrogen. Moreover, masteron can decrease estrogenic effects of other steroids by binding itself to the aromatase enzyme. This way, less aromatase enzymes are available to convert testosterone into estrogen.”

Without me getting into my normal long-winded bibble babble.. your response right here is pretty much what I was going to come back with. Just like we both agreed upon, that it's not a traditional AI, and it does not behave like one either, but most certainly the end result regardless in many users ultimately is a lower end of estrogen in blood serum circulation, and that is a win-win.. would it be fair to call it an AI after all? I tread lightly on that one because people go bonkers. But if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
I'm no specialist, but from years and years of personal experience, with historically having serious estro issues, which includes a surgery, and bizarre random. And this will also include my ears being open and tuned listening to others, with all that being said, I will always stand firm and supportive for those that want to use it in any protocol for as long as they want, when the goal is to combat their estrogen..

Guys are too hung up on the idea of using this compound for other amazing and unique things that it can do with contributing to the physique, when going into a show or when someone's really peeled down - but when guys like you and me and others talk about this compound, we're not always talking about the outside, there's so many off label properties on the inside.

To this very day, truly, nothing makes me feel as good, sharp, on point, like a social butterfly, confident, strong libido, just all around GOOD, as I do when I use my TRT with Mast (200/200) and proviron..

I have numerous blood work to support it, blood work without it and blood work with it.. being able to cut back on my AIs has been a blessing.. (for the record I'm not AI free, I'm just not tied down and reliant that's regularly).. AIs will always play a significant role, finding that balance, actually takes a lot of work and patience...

If people are fucking serious, they will get bloods, like a lot of them. It's an investment.

It's such a great feeling when I'm able to pull out my blood work files in my drawer, and look at what has happened over the years. And I knew what I did wrong and I seen what happened when I made corrections.. I'm so glad that I did this for myself, because not only is it proof, it's records of what I can and can't do and where my limitations are.

 

[Vision]

I'm looking forward to getting on Masteron, but one compound at a time. For me it seems like a better option because I prefer not to slam potentially toxic orals into my body every day. Especially stacked with Deca/NPP since it can counter the DHT side effects.

Mark my words you'll be glad you did, if you decide to go on it long-term with your trt.
Just keep in mind that you don't need much.

 

[JJB1]

Without me getting into my normal long-winded bibble babble.. your response right here is pretty much what I was going to come back with. Just like we both agreed upon, that it's not a traditional AI, and it does not behave like one either, but most certainly the end result regardless in many users ultimately is a lower end of estrogen in blood serum circulation, and that is a win-win.. would it be fair to call it an AI after all? I tread lightly on that one because people go bonkers. But if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
I'm no specialist, but from years and years of personal experience, with historically having serious estro issues, which includes a surgery, and bizarre random. And this will also include my ears being open and tuned listening to others, with all that being said, I will always stand firm and supportive for those that want to use it in any protocol for as long as they want, when the goal is to combat their estrogen..

Guys are too hung up on the idea of using this compound for other amazing and unique things that it can do with contributing to the physique, when going into a show or when someone's really peeled down - but when guys like you and me and others talk about this compound, we're not always talking about the outside, there's so many off label properties on the inside.

To this very day, truly, nothing makes me feel as good, sharp, on point, like a social butterfly, confident, strong libido, just all around GOOD, as I do when I use my TRT with Mast (200/200) and proviron..

I have numerous blood work to support it, blood work without it and blood work with it.. being able to cut back on my AIs has been a blessing.. (for the record I'm not AI free, I'm just not tied down and reliant that's regularly).. AIs will always play a significant role, finding that balance, actually takes a lot of work and patience...

If people are fucking serious, they will get bloods, like a lot of them. It's an investment.

It's such a great feeling when I'm able to pull out my blood work files in my drawer, and look at what has happened over the years. And I knew what I did wrong and I seen what happened when I made corrections.. I'm so glad that I did this for myself, because not only is it proof, it's records of what I can and can't do and where my limitations are.

Excellent explanation! Thank you very much!!
You said you run masteron with proviron?
I’ve never tried that. Next order I’ll have to give it a go. Nassar used to say running a cycle without proviron was a waste. Time for a new self experiment.
That’s the cool thing. After 27 years on gear I’m still learning new things.

 

[Vision]

Excellent explanation! Thank you very much!!
You said you run masteron with proviron?
I’ve never tried that. Next order I’ll have to give it a go. Nassar used to say running a cycle without proviron was a waste. Time for a new self experiment.
That’s the cool thing. After 27 years on gear I’m still learning new things.

Nassar is an absolute legend...
People like to say that Mast and proviron are the same thing, and that mast is basically the injectable version in some sense. It's complete horseshit.
When running both of them together, you don't need much, because they even compliment each other.
I will add or subtract mast here and there, but one thing's for certain proviron never leaves the table.
Same with 25 years, most of that was spent making a lot of mistakes. It becomes intoxicating with the desire to seek out and learn more. The more people share, the more we can continuously learn.

 

[Battousai]

If using privorin purely for the anti estrogenic and DHT purposes of the drug and not the androgenic purposes, what do you typically dose at? And is there any issues with doing it long term?

 

[Wiseguy]

If using privorin purely for the anti estrogenic and DHT purposes of the drug and not the androgenic purposes, what do you typically dose at? And is there any issues with doing it long term?

I am extremely happy with 25mg per day and some prefer 50. You need to see what works for you. I've ran it for 6 months in a row without an issue. Again at 25mg per day.

 

[JJB1]

Nassar is an absolute legend...
People like to say that Mast and proviron are the same thing, and that mast is basically the injectable version in some sense. It's complete horseshit.
When running both of them together, you don't need much, because they even compliment each other.
I will add or subtract mast here and there, but one thing's for certain proviron never leaves the table.
Same with 25 years, most of that was spent making a lot of mistakes. It becomes intoxicating with the desire to seek out and learn more. The more people share, the more we can continuously learn.

Sweet! I’ll give proviron a go. Thank you!

 

[JJB1]

I am extremely happy with 25mg per day and some prefer 50. You need to see what works for you. I've ran it for 6 months in a row without an issue. Again at 25mg per day.

I’m going to try 25mg. I like lower doses of everything these days except my HGH which is 8ius today.