2 Gram Off Season Cycle Blood Work Results Are In...

[thebiggestdumbass]

The reality is for BIG growth spurts, you need BIG DOSES.

But....when you do reach that size you want. For competitors its when you finally look filled out. The taller you are, the tougher it is. I'm 6'0. Shit has taken forever. But...once you hit that "filled out" look, you cannnn lower doses a bit. Not to anything low low. But if you were using 3g+ to get big, i know guys that can then maintain it on under 2. What it takes to GROW is different than what it takes to maintain.

But again, we are talking about GROWTH in this thread. Wanna get big? Eat big, lift big, and use big amounts lol.

Did you jump straight to 3g plus cycles or was it a linear process every growth phase?

 

[PRorER]

The reality is for BIG growth spurts, you need BIG DOSES.

But....when you do reach that size you want. For competitors its when you finally look filled out. The taller you are, the tougher it is. I'm 6'0. Shit has taken forever. But...once you hit that "filled out" look, you cannnn lower doses a bit. Not to anything low low. But if you were using 3g+ to get big, i know guys that can then maintain it on under 2. What it takes to GROW is different than what it takes to maintain.

But again, we are talking about GROWTH in this thread. Wanna get big? Eat big, lift big, and use big amounts lol.

Your logs on PM is are some of the most informative pieces of info I’ve ever read in regards to what it takes to get truly big

 

[Theotherone55]

Did you jump straight to 3g plus cycles or was it a linear process every growth phase?

Clear linear process. IF i could do it again, I probably wouldve titrated my doses quicker lol I spent lots of my 20s kinda sticking to 600mg Test, 400mg NPP...shit like that. Not reallly moving up and i was kinda wondering, "why the fuck am i not growing." But i also wasn't dotting all my I's and crossing all my T's with training and eating too. Every year, you kinda buckle down more. Your diet becomes MORE strict, more locked in. Your training because super dialed in. And...when gear goes up with that, progress happens.

Youll hit a new HIGH bodyweight in the offseason, looks kinda soft. And then the next year you hit it again, but its harder. And so on. First time i hit 300lbs+ was like 6 years ago maybe and it was OK looking. Not great lol. But each year it got harder and harder. It's also very dependent on whenn side effects hit you. Some guys get brutal side effects at 1.5g, 2g, and so on. I didnt really get anything bad at all. Bloodwork was very similar to Oakley's. I have heard this quote several times and its 100% true. "Yes there are super responders, but there are also super tolerators. If you aren't one of those, chances are you might never get big." I myself am a super tolerator

 

[Metroplex500]

Clear linear process. IF i could do it again, I probably wouldve titrated my doses quicker lol I spent lots of my 20s kinda sticking to 600mg Test, 400mg NPP...shit like that. Not reallly moving up and i was kinda wondering, "why the fuck am i not growing." But i also wasn't dotting all my I's and crossing all my T's with training and eating too. Every year, you kinda buckle down more. Your diet becomes MORE strict, more locked in. Your training because super dialed in. And...when gear goes up with that, progress happens.

Youll hit a new HIGH bodyweight in the offseason, looks kinda soft. And then the next year you hit it again, but its harder. And so on. First time i hit 300lbs+ was like 6 years ago maybe and it was OK looking. Not great lol. But each year it got harder and harder. It's also very dependent on whenn side effects hit you. Some guys get brutal side effects at 1.5g, 2g, and so on. I didnt really get anything bad at all. Bloodwork was very similar to Oakley's. I have heard this quote several times and its 100% true. "Yes there are super responders, but there are also super tolerators. If you aren't one of those, chances are you might never get big." I myself am a super tolerator

I’d like to consider myself on the super tolerater side. At least I am one of those. This cycle I took to gain was my most effective but next year I’m planning to push it a lot more since all my bloods are good

 

[erichuff1994]

Almost forgot I was on ASF reading the most recent comments lol

 

[codem]

50.1.... Im not going to donate blood at 50.1. That is asinine and illogical. Especially when the rest of the panel looks the way it does.

You should do some research and educate yourself before giving other people medical advice.

You literally asked based on your labs why would you donate blood.

Scientifically, based on your tests, that is the only reason why you would donate blood

I never said GO DONATE BLOOD YOURE GOING TO DIE.

I just answered your dumbass question, all that gear has your brain operating on a wheel.

 

[thebiggestdumbass]

@Meetketchup where’d you go man some great conversations in here that might benefit you greatly based on your stage photos you refuse to post. I can help you with that if you want

 

[codem]

I tried to get everything in there to make sure I was in a good spot to continue. Out of curiosity, why the hell would I need to donate blood? Nothing in that panel says that to me.

Right here, you asked why would would need to donate blood after @Ckmeter suggested it. I never once suggested you need to donate blood, so take a second to stop munching on those crayons, and quit attacking me for answering a question you asked.

You can't be this stupid

 

[Ponygod]

Right here, you asked why would would need to donate blood after @Ckmeter suggested it. I never once suggested you need to donate blood, so take a second to stop munching on those crayons, and quit attacking me for answering a question you asked.

You can't be this stupid

Bro, fucking drop it. The fuck?

 

[Oakley6575]

Same. At a certain point, other carbs just dont digest quick enough between meals and im still full 2.5hrs later. It basically has to be rice or rice-based stuff for me to keep going on high days. I do love me some potatoes though.

Also, this is great thread lol. You do you @Oakley6575
There is maybe 1% of the BBing population who can grow like a mutant under 1g. The rest of us neeed to push it if size is the goal. Guys who say they "dont wanna be big" are the ones who usually canttt get big.

Oh hey! Another actual bodybuilder in this thread. That is refreshing to see. This board needs more experienced guys like you to post here more. Thanks for your input here man! I really respect you and follow your progress closely.

You literally asked based on your labs why would you donate blood.

Scientifically, based on your tests, that is the only reason why you would donate blood

I never said GO DONATE BLOOD YOURE GOING TO DIE.

I just answered your dumbass question, all that gear has your brain operating on a wheel.

I obviously wrote that having a full understanding of my bloods. I saw and still see zero reason why I would donate blood with a 50.1 hematocrit... And I was confused that CKmeter would suggest I get my blood removed considering he is a pretty big boy, doing high doses himself.

You answering my question as if I was asking you, or actually needing your google screenshot to understand that on my labs, my hematocrit shows "out of range" just shows you are a keyboard warrior who parrots retarded advice. How about you do some actual research, or better yet, get some real world experience in the shit you post about. You give off Mustard vibes.

 

[codem]

Oh hey! Another actual bodybuilder in this thread. That is refreshing to see. This board needs more experienced guys like you to post here more. Thanks for your input here man! I really respect you and follow your progress closely.



I obviously wrote that having a full understanding of my bloods. I saw and still see zero reason why I would donate blood with a 50.1 hematocrit... And I was confused that CKmeter would suggest I get my blood removed considering he is a pretty big boy, doing high doses himself.

You answering my question as if I was asking you, or actually needing your google screenshot to understand that on my labs, my hematocrit shows "out of range" just shows you are a keyboard warrior who parrots retarded advice. How about you do some actual research, or better yet, get some real world experience in the shit you post about. You give off Mustard vibes.

You literally said based on your labs, why would you donate blood.

The only marker that shows why you would considering donating blood is your hemacrit

You ask a question, get an answer and then become upset.

I don't care if you donate blood, I would never advise you to donate blood. @Ckmeter advised it.

Now you're still attacking me failing to realize that you asked the question to begin with.

No one is parroting advise, you're just a hyper sensitive man clearly taking too many hormones.

 

[WheyMoreTraps]

I wish this place was more like dancing with the stars and we could vote people off.

 

[Oakley6575]

You literally said based on your labs, why would you donate blood.

The only marker that shows why you would considering donating blood is your hemacrit

You ask a question, get an answer and then become upset.

I don't care if you donate blood, I would never advise you to donate blood. @Ckmeter advised it.

Now you're still attacking me failing to realize that you asked the question to begin with.

No one is parroting advise, you're just a hyper sensitive man clearly taking too many hormones.

I didn't ask you you fucking jackass. I specifically asked the big ass bodybuilder why the hell HE thought I should donate based on my bloodwork. What don't you understand?

No one here needs your input. You have proved what you know, and that you have nothing to contribute. Bye Felicia!

 

[Ckmeter]

@Oakley6575, there is one other thing I didn’t really realize. I don’t typically get bloods on high doses. I get them usually about 4 weeks into my trt phase. I know my bloodwork on the drugs I’m running would look damn near identical to yours, if not worse truly.

When I read this post I assumed this was at the end of your off season going into a cruise. Even borderline thick blood for me after dropping doses concerns me, and I want to recover my bloodwork as fast as possible, so I can get back on. This is why I donate. But that’s usually once a year or twice a year max.

With that said, 100% keep pushing lol. This is nothing to be remotely concerned about. Out of curiosity, how much water do you drink a day?

I’m sorry man, I didn’t read your post carefully at all clearly. I missed the cyastatin c, and I missed that you planned to continue pushing. I’m trying my best to be a positive asset to the ASF community, by giving my insight, but it’s useless when I don’t read the post properly.

 

[MufasaTheKing]

Cant talk big doses on ASF... I learned that my 1st month here.

Some guys like being 180 ripped...

Some guys like being 280 ripped....

how dare you ! Let me hold back the 180 ripped guys.

 

[Ckmeter]

@Oakley6575 you can likely run that stack for 20-30 weeks easily. Your drug choices are well tolerated for long pushes.

What were the factors pushing you to have primo higher than deca? Usually I have those drugs flipped — deca around 600 and primo around 350. Just curious.

I like your test dose as well lol. 1250 is my sweet spot.

 

[MufasaTheKing]

@Oakley6575 you can likely run that stack for 20-30 weeks easily. Your drug choices are well tolerated for long pushes.

What were the factors pushing you to have primo higher than deca? Usually I have those drugs flipped — deca around 600 and primo around 350. Just curious.

I like your test dose as well lol. 1250 is my sweet spot.

I agree with 30 weeks. Allows Deca to truly shine

 

[Coach Anderson]

I'd be willing to bet your bloods wouldn't look much different without 75% of those supps. Aside from the few biggies, most are insignificant. Genetics plays a HUGE factor in how these compounds effect the individual.

Love the test and primo combo. Curious as to why the deca?

...and don't say joints.

Joints. I’m just ficking with you. I agree with you 100percent with genetics.

 

[Oakley6575]

@Oakley6575, there is one other thing I didn’t really realize. I don’t typically get bloods on high doses. I get them usually about 4 weeks into my trt phase. I know my bloodwork on the drugs I’m running would look damn near identical to yours, if not worse truly.

When I read this post I assumed this was at the end of your off season going into a cruise. Even borderline thick blood for me after dropping doses concerns me, and I want to recover my bloodwork as fast as possible, so I can get back on. This is why I donate. But that’s usually once a year or twice a year max.

With that said, 100% keep pushing lol. This is nothing to be remotely concerned about. Out of curiosity, how much water do you drink a day?

I’m sorry man, I didn’t read your post carefully at all clearly. I missed the cyastatin c, and I missed that you planned to continue pushing. I’m trying my best to be a positive asset to the ASF community, by giving my insight, but it’s useless when I don’t read the post properly.

No issue at all man. That's why I asked. I was genuinely curious to see where you where coming from.

I don't track my water at all so I can't give you an exact amount. Probably a gallon a day. I know that is low.

@Oakley6575 you can likely run that stack for 20-30 weeks easily. Your drug choices are well tolerated for long pushes.

What were the factors pushing you to have primo higher than deca? Usually I have those drugs flipped — deca around 600 and primo around 350. Just curious.

I like your test dose as well lol. 1250 is my sweet spot.

I'm a high test guy. It just works. And I run primo just enough to control my E2. 40% of my test dose gets my E2 in a spot that makes me feel good. If I increase or decrease my test dose, my primo follows it. Deca is in there because I've never run it. And honestly, over the last year, I've watched Compton turn out freak, after freak, after freak. I know he is a big deca guy. Can't seem to shake that the test/deca combo just works for off season growth. So I wanted to give it a shot this go around. I started very low at 250mg/week just to assess tolerance. I have some gyno from my teens that I don't want to flare up. I'm sure I will get it cut out at some point.

This week I changed my dosages to see how I tolerate more deca. I dropped to 1100 Test, 450 Primo, and upped to 450 Deca so my total load stays at 2g/week but I'll get an idea of what happens to me with water weight, overall look, and how I feel. If it goes well, I won't hesitate to increase deca to whatever I can tolerate.

 

[Ckmeter]

No issue at all man. That's why I asked. I was genuinely curious to see where you where coming from.

I don't track my water at all so I can't give you an exact amount. Probably a gallon a day. I know that is low.

I'm a high test guy. It just works. And I run primo just enough to control my E2. 40% of my test dose gets my E2 in a spot that makes me feel good. If I increase or decrease my test dose, my primo follows it. Deca is in there because I've never run it. And honestly, over the last year, I've watched Compton turn out freak, after freak, after freak. I know he is a big deca guy. Can't seem to shake that the test/deca combo just works for off season growth. So I wanted to give it a shot this go around. I started very low at 250mg/week just to assess tolerance. I have some gyno from my teens that I don't want to flare up. I'm sure I will get it cut out at some point.

This week I changed my dosages to see how I tolerate more deca. I dropped to 1100 Test, 450 Primo, and upped to 450 Deca so my total load stays at 2g/week but I'll get an idea of what happens to me with water weight, overall look, and how I feel. If it goes well, I won't hesitate to increase deca to whatever I can tolerate.

Thanks for understanding. I’m just tired man.

I’d recommend trying 4-6L a day. It’s hard when food is high, but I feel so much better. It can also help your bloodwork too just in general.

That’s crazy that dose of primo controls your e2 on that amount of test. I’m jealous lol. I use caber for deca/npp. I ran an experiment for the past couple weeks of attempting to not use it, and my nips got puffy as fuck. I do .5 twice a week. Recently, I’m preferring npp to deca. Deca makes me super lazy, and I can’t figure out how to fix it.

Compton loves his deca, eq, and dbol lol. I can’t touch dbol with my gyno or eq. Eq gives me crippling anxiety and shot my creatinine through the roof.

Keep me posted with how you feel running higher deca. It’s definitely a balance, and I can’t stand how I feel mentally and physically after long runs with high deca.

 

[Oakley6575]

Thanks for understanding. I’m just tired man.

I’d recommend trying 4-6L a day. It’s hard when food is high, but I feel so much better. It can also help your bloodwork too just in general.

That’s crazy that dose of primo controls your e2 on that amount of test. I’m jealous lol. I use caber for deca/npp. I ran an experiment for the past couple weeks of attempting to not use it, and my nips got puffy as fuck. I do .5 twice a week. Recently, I’m preferring npp to deca. Deca makes me super lazy, and I can’t figure out how to fix it.

Compton loves his deca, eq, and dbol lol. I can’t touch dbol with my gyno or eq. Eq gives me crippling anxiety and shot my creatinine through the roof.

Keep me posted with how you feel running higher deca. It’s definitely a balance, and I can’t stand how I feel mentally and physically after long runs with high deca.

Thanks for the insight bud! I'll reach out if I questions or notice something out of the ordinary. I appreciate your help.

Oddly enough, both times I've tried to run NPP, my nips are on fire after a couple days. Have to pull it before it even peaks. Deca, I don't have that issue. But I'm trying to be aware of any changes or issues I might have while I'm on deca. We will see what happens.

 

[Wardamn]

Thanks for understanding. I’m just tired man.

I’d recommend trying 4-6L a day. It’s hard when food is high, but I feel so much better. It can also help your bloodwork too just in general.

That’s crazy that dose of primo controls your e2 on that amount of test. I’m jealous lol. I use caber for deca/npp. I ran an experiment for the past couple weeks of attempting to not use it, and my nips got puffy as fuck. I do .5 twice a week. Recently, I’m preferring npp to deca. Deca makes me super lazy, and I can’t figure out how to fix it.

Compton loves his deca, eq, and dbol lol. I can’t touch dbol with my gyno or eq. Eq gives me crippling anxiety and shot my creatinine through the roof.

Keep me posted with how you feel running higher deca. It’s definitely a balance, and I can’t stand how I feel mentally and physically after long runs with high deca.

Test, EQ, Deca is a tried and true off season stack.

I've had a lot of guys put on a ton of size in an offseason just running those. It's been one of my go to cycles.

 

[Oakley6575]

Test, EQ, Deca is a tried and true off season stack.

Next go around, I'm going to give EQ a try for sure.

 

[Metroplex500]

Next go around, I'm going to give EQ a try for sure.

EQ is great. Going to give deca a go next year and stock up on 40 grams here soon

 

[Wardamn]

Next go around, I'm going to give EQ a try for sure.

Run it and see how you like it.

Just had a masters competitor put on 32lbs of stage weight in 20 months running that cycle during his growth phases. Total load was 1.8 grams

 

[Bolan]

Run it and see how you like it.

Just had a masters competitor put on 32lbs of stage weight in 20 months running that cycle during his growth phases. Total load was 1.8 grams

I use to run EQ high too, when I could... Just turns my blood to
sludge at my age nowadays.
I also didn't come off EQ for almost 2 years straight either
1.8g.... 2.1g Wanna get vascular. That's the ticket.

 

[Metroplex500]

I use to run EQ high too, when I could... Just turns my blood to
sludge at my age nowadays.
I also didn't come off EQ for almost 2 years straight either
1.8g.... 2.1g Wanna get vascular. That's the ticket.

Damn is that 2g of test and eq total? Or the 2g is just referring to the eq?

 

[Wardamn]

I use to run EQ high too, when I could... Just turns my blood to
sludge at my age nowadays.
I also didn't come off EQ for almost 2 years straight either
1.8g.... 2.1g Wanna get vascular. That's the ticket.

I've noticed it's starting to impact my hematocrit a little more as I age.

 

[Oakley6575]

Run it and see how you like it.

Just had a masters competitor put on 32lbs of stage weight in 20 months running that cycle during his growth phases. Total load was 1.8 grams

Damn. Thats a lot of stage weight.

 

[Wardamn]

Damn. Thats a lot of stage weight.

Yeah, he's a genetic elite. Former high level D1 athlete.