2 Gram Off Season Cycle Blood Work Results Are In...

[Valdosta]

Sorry I can only comment on the what was posted... this is an open forum and I don't know him from Adam.. He could be a genius for all I know but my comments on his "plan" where not insults. Those were genuine questions and comments.

Reality is there are a lot of young guys out there that are going to read that shit and think its some sort of viable "plan" and its NOT. He might have a better plan than what is described but he did not post it.

Trust me man Ive been here a long time If I wanted to insult the guy and troll him it would not be that hard.... Ask around about the old days here.

sounded like an insult to me to lump him in with the "pretty good diet" kinda guys when he's lightyears more dialed in than them. if that's not your intention then ok, just came off that way.

 

[Ckmeter]

Yeah thats the point of the statement of "bad bloods" is like and "on point diet". What one person considers "bad bloods" is not standard across the board and usually when someone says they are waiting bad bloods they don't actually know what they are waiting for... What indicators? at what exact markers?

He is taking 2 grams of gear not running low doses and I guarantee he is not getting monthly blood tests... so what he waits another 6 months at those doses before getting tested again? so yeah he is waiting for side effects like I mentioned.

What would you say about me then? I’ve been running a minimum of 2.2g since January following my coach’s plan precisely, who is extremely respected in the industry, and I don’t get monthly bloodwork. On prep I got up around ~3g. Am I irresponsible? Is my log irresponsible, as I don’t detail every single health precaution and marker I’m monitoring? Are you saying my coach is irresponsible?

I follow my meal plan to a t. My bp is 95/65. My glucose I control and use insulin, as needed to not turn diabetic in the off season.

I’m getting bloodwork next week, and I guarantee it’ll be better than the majority of people who don’t take gear. And I plan my duration off drugs on trt based on how long it takes to recover any iffy health markers. Likely will be getting an ekg and organ imaging this health phase as well, before I push again next year.

We all have a risk tolerance. I’m trying to become a better competitive bodybuilder. This isn’t a fucking healthy sport. I’m not going to document every single metric I’m using to keep myself safe, as I don’t want people duplicating what I’m doing regardless. So why would I give people my exact plan, as if I’m encouraging them to follow what I’m doing?

For me, kidney markers being out is when I end my bodybuilding career, particularly cyastatin c. Liver enzymes above about 100-150 is a concern, but more of a yellow flag to stop orals and ramp up liver support. Thick blood tells me to donate, which I can feel when my blood is getting thick. Thyroid function I monitor to ensure my t4 dose is correct, as I take a replacement dose year round. I have a genetic condition with my lipids, and my Hdl and ldl are usually both around 35 lol, so that is never a concern for me. With that said, I still keep a close eye on those. CK is somewhat important to know how close I am to rhabdo, which I got when I tried high volume training lol.

But I’m sure I’m just some guy with “a diet on point”. Since you’ve been here since 2012, what have you accomplished?

 

[Oakley6575]

Honestly no I haven’t seen his physique. I can’t speak attest to the knowledge and detail he goes into with me as his client and in general. We had a long talk where I asked expectations approaches etc. as with anything no one is a perfect fit for everyone. But he left no stone unturned for me. I can only give my 2 cents but with that being said I can confidently say I’ve had a productive, healthy, informative, coaching experience with someone who I truly believes cares about his clients and the board. No hard feelings for me either way haha I don’t have a dog In the issue you two have but I can’t in good conscious pass by the thread and not give him the credit I think he’s due for me. Also just my 2 cents but just cause someone doesn’t have an amazing g bodybuilding careeer and I’m not saying he doesn’t cause I don’t know but with that being said doesn’t mean you can’t be an amazing and knowledgeable coach. I agree that someone needs to at least be experienced in what their clients gk through etc. but I don’t think that equals to having to have the best physique etc. also I think we all have to remember we are on an AAS forums haha where jobs info etc might be sensitive and when we post or say something here it’s more or less open season for anyone to chime in. That’s why 90 percent of the time I take anything negative with a grain of salt cause I’m a way I’m asking for whatever feedback or responses I get lol

You made a lot of good points here that I completely agree with. As far as I know, he is a good coach for the gen pop, like I said in my last post to you. Some of the guys here that he will chime in on, are clearly not gen pop. They want to be bigger than the norm. Who is he to question what they are doing? I'm asking because no one knows. He might be a very successful competitor that deserves the status that he has on this board, or he might be a fraud. That's all I'm wondering.

About the job thing.. I asked for a physique pic with his face blacked out and background blacked out. Unless he walks around his job in a speedo, I don't see a way for his boss to recognize him. And if his boss is on ASF, I don't think there would be an issue to begin with.

Like what? a blood clot? Massive headaches? dizzy spells? I'm curious as to what indicator you are waiting for? waiting for "Bad Bloods" is like having a diet that's on "on point".....

I got nothing against your doses but your lack of a plan other than to keep going until the wheels fall off is a little suspect.

Huh? Where the fuck did you come up with those indicators? Are those things you have experienced before while on gear? If you need help with your cycle, there are plenty of guys here who run gear without those issues. Just start a thread and everyone can help you.

I got bloodwork before going on cycle, and then I got on cycle, and waited 8 full weeks to pull bloods again. And I did that for a reason. I wanted my doses to be peaked plus another couple weeks to see how my bloodwork looked at full steam. At what point did I say I was going to wait another 6 months to pull bloods again? And when did I say I would be on 2g of gear six months from now. If I am on this cycle 6 months from now, that only means I've done an incredible job staying healthy and keeping any and all side effects from appearing. Seems like you just came in here shitting on anything you could think of. There are a lot of other markers that I track outside of just bloodwork while I'm on gear like blood pressure, resting heart rate, heart rate while doing cardio, HRV, blood glucose levels, daily weight and waist measurements, weekly check in pictures, on and on and on. If you track data, you can easily see trends forming whether they are good or bad. I'm doing everything I can right now to stay healthy and have a successful growth phase. That is why I started this thread to begin with. To show that you can be on 2g of gear, and do it while staying healthy as long as you check all the boxes.

 

[Oakley6575]

What would you say about me then? I’ve been running a minimum of 2.2g since January following my coach’s plan precisely, who is extremely respected in the industry, and I don’t get monthly bloodwork. On prep I got up around ~3g. Am I irresponsible? Is my log irresponsible, as I don’t detail every single health precaution and marker I’m monitoring? Are you saying my coach is irresponsible?

I follow my meal plan to a t. My bp is 95/65. My glucose I control and use insulin, as needed to not turn diabetic in the off season.

I’m getting bloodwork next week, and I guarantee it’ll be better than the majority of people who don’t take gear. And I plan my duration off drugs on trt based on how long it takes to recover any iffy health markers. Likely will be getting an ekg and organ imaging this health phase as well, before I push again next year.

We all have a risk tolerance. I’m trying to become a better competitive bodybuilder. This isn’t a fucking healthy sport. I’m not going to document every single metric I’m using to keep myself safe, as I don’t want people duplicating what I’m doing regardless. So why would I give people my exact plan, as if I’m encouraging them to follow what I’m doing?

For me, kidney markers being out is when I end my bodybuilding career, particularly cyastatin c. Liver enzymes above about 100-150 is a concern, but more of a yellow flag to stop orals and ramp up liver support. Thick blood tells me to donate, which I can feel when my blood is getting thick. Thyroid function I monitor to ensure my t4 dose is correct, as I take a replacement dose year round. I have a genetic condition with my lipids, and my Hdl and ldl are usually both around 35 lol, so that is never a concern for me. With that said, I still keep a close eye on those. CK is somewhat important to know how close I am to rhabdo, which I got when I tried high volume training lol.

But I’m sure I’m just some guy with “a diet on point”. Since you’ve been here since 2012, what have you accomplished?

We need more of you around here speaking up. These idiots come on an ANABOLIC STEROID FORUM and then tell everyone how stupid they are for running ANABOLC STEROIDS.. As if they don't, or somehow do it better than you do.

Like you said, what have any of them accomplished? None of those guys seem to want to share. But they want to shit on all the guys who actually do share and are open about it.

 

[PRorER]

We need more of you around here speaking up. These idiots come on an ANABOLIC STEROID FORUM and then tell everyone how stupid they are for running ANABOLC STEROIDS.. As if they don't, or somehow do it better than you do.

Like you said, what have any of them accomplished? None of those guys seem to want to share. But they want to shit on all the guys who actually do share and are open about it.

I’ve actually been surprised since joining ASF about this. The gatekeeping of information is incredible and anytime someone posts bloodwork with markers slightly off it’s “you should stop taking AAS” instead of offering advice. On other boards I’ve seen people reach out and give solid advice on what supplements to use or what compound might be skewing there bloodwork along with potential changes

 

[GrindingGrey]

We need more of you around here speaking up. These idiots come on an ANABOLIC STEROID FORUM and then tell everyone how stupid they are for running ANABOLC STEROIDS.. As if they don't, or somehow do it better than you do.

Like you said, what have any of them accomplished? None of those guys seem to want to share. But they want to shit on all the guys who actually do share and are open about it.

I honestly think some of these guys believe it when the pros say they only took about a gram of gear a week because they’re hyper responders with elite genetics. I’m pretty sure if the top 10 bodybuilders from the Olympia listed their cycles for the past 12 months some of these guys would be absolutely shocked. I remember watching a video where the guy said that at one point Nasser took 10 Anadrol a day. Some of these younger guys don’t realize in the 90s and early 2000s we were taking anything we could get our hands on and I didn’t know a single person back then they got blood work done.

As for Catsup, I could care less what the guy looks like, but I think you have a valid point. If he’s gonna coach people and criticize others then yeah, let’s see what you look like.

 

[damaged1]

I think the Op needs to be given some credit that he knows what he is doing, i mean yes they are high doses but also yes look at the bloodwork...clearly he is doing some management correctly right?

I bet he has size to show for it as well.

I am small and old and doing an experiment on a higher dose just because i have never done one and wanted to see how i react, so far pretty good. Also good bloodwork. I did 6 week bloods and ill do them again at 12 weeks and see if wheels are falling off.

 

[damaged1]

I honestly think some of these guys believe it when the pros say they only took about a gram of gear a week because they’re hyper responders with elite genetics. I’m pretty sure if the top 10 bodybuilders from the Olympia listed their cycles for the past 12 months some of these guys would be absolutely shocked. I remember watching a video where the guy said that at one point Nasser took 10 Anadrol a day. Some of these younger guys don’t realize in the 90s and early 2000s we were taking anything we could get our hands on and I didn’t know a single person back then they got blood work done.

As for Catsup, I could care less what the guy looks like, but I think you have a valid point. If he’s gonna coach people and criticize others then yeah, let’s see what you look like.

Are we thinking thats not him in the avatar pic? If it is, he looks good to me.

 

[Wardamn]

I honestly think some of these guys believe it when the pros say they only took about a gram of gear a week because they’re hyper responders with elite genetics. I’m pretty sure if the top 10 bodybuilders from the Olympia listed their cycles for the past 12 months some of these guys would be absolutely shocked. I remember watching a video where the guy said that at one point Nasser took 10 Anadrol a day. Some of these younger guys don’t realize in the 90s and early 2000s we were taking anything we could get our hands on and I didn’t know a single person back then they got blood work done.

As for Catsup, I could care less what the guy looks like, but I think you have a valid point. If he’s gonna coach people and criticize others then yeah, let’s see what you look like.

I'm friends with a golden era guy. We've talked the difference in eras, gear usage, training, etc. He's told me that the super low dosage 1 dbol a day and 1 shot a week that they love to claim is a lot of bullshit.

He's in his 80s now and will still have a test and dbol run a time or two a year .

 

[Oakley6575]

Are we thinking thats not him in the avatar pic? If it is, he looks good to me.

I'm not sure. I never had a reason to question it but now I do.. Could be a picture he found on the interwebs.

Even if it is him, based on that picture, he could be 6'-2" and 175lbs. It's not hard taking a more than flattering picture of yourself hiding all context.

 

[damaged1]

I think the Op needs to be given some credit that he knows what he is doing, i mean yes they are high doses but also yes look at the bloodwork...clearly he is doing some management correctly right?

I bet he has size to show for it as well.

I am small and old and doing an experiment on a higher dose just because i have never done one and wanted to see how i react, so far pretty good. Also good bloodwork. I did 6 week bloods and ill do them again at 12 weeks and see if wheels are falling off.

I should add, good bloodwork, except cholesterol.

 

[Oakley6575]

I should add, good bloodwork, except cholesterol.

Yea that is why I'm adding Niacin. Just took my first dose today. Ever since I started trt I've had low HDL. Hopefully I can figure out how to fix it, or at least bring it up to an acceptable level.

 

[damaged1]

Here is me. I’m 5’8 175 pounds. I’m little but I’m working on it.

 

[damaged1]

Yea that is why I'm adding Niacin. Just took my first dose today. Ever since I started trt I've had low HDL. Hopefully I can figure out how to fix it, or at least bring it up to an acceptable level.

HDL 20
LDL 145

but i went up on resuvostatin and added eziteme so i think my next bloods will be better

 

[BBruce]

Talking about low doses, it’s a guy at my gym that’s about 5’7 and about 200lb, lean (single digit bf) and I you can tell from a mile away his a bodybuilder and lives the life, lol, he’s in his 40’s and stuck in the 90’s baggy shorts, looks like he should wear a fanny pack. You guys know the look
He done 1 show, years ago, that he won and was 280 in prep, have taken every drug available.

Whatever, for the last year or so he have been cruising on 1 shot of 300mg Test E every 3-4 weeks??? He’s says he’s using HGH at 2iu’s when he has some… I known him for a few years and he looks exactly the same, idk how he does it and I don’t think he’s lying because he’s open about everything else.

He’s obviously one of a kind but wtf.

 

[MufasaTheKing]

HDL 20
LDL 145

but i went up on resuvostatin and added eziteme so i think my next bloods will be better

10mg of ezetimibe might put you where you want without the statin. But add the statin if you need it.

 

[damaged1]

10mg of ezetimibe might put you where you want without the statin. But add the statin if you need it.

Good point but the DR said up the statin and get bloods in 4 weeks so that's what i will do.
if i can get off the statin, that is the best case scenario.

All other blood markers are good.

 

[Skinnyguy180]

What would you say about me then? I’ve been running a minimum of 2.2g since January following my coach’s plan precisely, who is extremely respected in the industry, and I don’t get monthly bloodwork. On prep I got up around ~3g. Am I irresponsible? Is my log irresponsible, as I don’t detail every single health precaution and marker I’m monitoring? Are you saying my coach is irresponsible?

I follow my meal plan to a t. My bp is 95/65. My glucose I control and use insulin, as needed to not turn diabetic in the off season.

I’m getting bloodwork next week, and I guarantee it’ll be better than the majority of people who don’t take gear. And I plan my duration off drugs on trt based on how long it takes to recover any iffy health markers. Likely will be getting an ekg and organ imaging this health phase as well, before I push again next year.

We all have a risk tolerance. I’m trying to become a better competitive bodybuilder. This isn’t a fucking healthy sport. I’m not going to document every single metric I’m using to keep myself safe, as I don’t want people duplicating what I’m doing regardless. So why would I give people my exact plan, as if I’m encouraging them to follow what I’m doing?

For me, kidney markers being out is when I end my bodybuilding career, particularly cyastatin c. Liver enzymes above about 100-150 is a concern, but more of a yellow flag to stop orals and ramp up liver support. Thick blood tells me to donate, which I can feel when my blood is getting thick. Thyroid function I monitor to ensure my t4 dose is correct, as I take a replacement dose year round. I have a genetic condition with my lipids, and my Hdl and ldl are usually both around 35 lol, so that is never a concern for me. With that said, I still keep a close eye on those. CK is somewhat important to know how close I am to rhabdo, which I got when I tried high volume training lol.

But I’m sure I’m just some guy with “a diet on point”. Since you’ve been here since 2012, what have you accomplished?

What have I accomplished… well made you melt down in two posts for starters

And there are plenty of dead body builders that had an “extremely respected coach”

I wonder what monstro and Phill are up too now.

You can document what ever you want in your log… if I read it and think it’s dumb I’m going to say so.. IDGAF that’s the point of a forum.

To that point yeah you’re dumb for running over 2 grams of gear for the last 10 months. Any other questions?


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[thebiggestdumbass]

To that point yeah you’re dumb for running over 2 grams of gear for the last 10 months. Any other questions?

If his health markers via bloodwork are good, he’s dialed everything else in, and isn’t showing any signs of poor health what makes this dumb?

 

[PRorER]

What have I accomplished… well made you melt down in two posts for starters

And there are plenty of dead body builders that had an “extremely respected coach”

I wonder what monstro and Phill are up too now.

You can document what ever you want in your log… if I read it and think it’s dumb I’m going to say so.. IDGAF that’s the point of a forum.

To that point yeah you’re dumb for running over 2 grams of gear for the last 10 months. Any other questions?


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kind of wild that you use two bodybuilders as examples that both had notoriously awful bloodwork lol