No Test, just Deca?

[TheDude]

Hey guys,
So I have a question. I’m 38 years old and my testosterone is pretty low, between 300 and 350. I was on TRT a few years ago but stopped because I eventually want to have children. Test definitely helped with a multitude of things and maybe someday I’ll get back on. I’ve done a few cycles back in the day of test and Deca. About 5 years ago I took Deca alone because I couldn’t find any test. Maybe it was a stupid move, but I definitely noticed some positive results. I gained some mass, got stronger and became much more vascular. I’ve been lifting my whole life and it seems like over the last 10 years my veins have disappeared in my forearms and wherever the where prevalent on my body before. I really like having normal and noticeable veins. I know that sounds dumb. I’m just worried something isn’t working right. Does anyone know the cause of this and would taking something like a Deca or dbol be a bad move without any test? Also if I were to do a cycle, would that crash the little test I am producing? Any advice would be helpful. Thank you and hope everyone is doing well.

 

[AR-15]

You got a 50/50 chance of being one of the ones than don’t have any issues with Deca. I had DECA dick for six months once. Never again. Why risk it IMO. Use Test as your base especially with Deca. Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

 

[Matt88]

You got a 50/50 chance of being one of the ones than don’t have any issues with Deca. I had DECA dick for six months once. Never again. Why risk it IMO. Use Test as your base especially with Deca. Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

Did u get labs to see what was going on? That's crazy! Did you not end the deca run when it started? I have so many questions!

 

[Matt88]

Hey guys,
So I have a question. I’m 38 years old and my testosterone is pretty low, between 300 and 350. I was on TRT a few years ago but stopped because I eventually want to have children. Test definitely helped with a multitude of things and maybe someday I’ll get back on. I’ve done a few cycles back in the day of test and Deca. About 5 years ago I took Deca alone because I couldn’t find any test. Maybe it was a stupid move, but I definitely noticed some positive results. I gained some mass, got stronger and became much more vascular. I’ve been lifting my whole life and it seems like over the last 10 years my veins have disappeared in my forearms and wherever the where prevalent on my body before. I really like having normal and noticeable veins. I know that sounds dumb. I’m just worried something isn’t working right. Does anyone know the cause of this and would taking something like a Deca or dbol be a bad move without any test? Also if I were to do a cycle, would that crash the little test I am producing? Any advice would be helpful. Thank you and hope everyone is doing well.

Any anabolic rather it be test, deca, dbol etc will shutdown your natural testosterone production, period.

Guys have kids on trt all the time. Can use things like hcg and hmg to increas fertility.

As far as veins go. Body fat is a very large factor in rather veins are noticeable. I'd be willing to bet low testosterone is playing a part as well. The leaner you are the more visible veins you have. There are many other factors as well that influence how vascular you are.

If you use deca I'd definitely suggest running test with it. There is zero reason to be on this board and not have access to test. We have all kinds of super solid sources here and many have US domestic shipping that is basically Amazon prime for gear. No dealing with customs.

Since you already have low testosterone: if you're going to use test/gear I'd just plan on getting trt or doing your own (Smartly, with lab work. Going by feels isn't smart when you can buy labs online and go get them done) which is called blasting and cruising. Maybe you run a 12 week cycle and take a pct and get your natural test back but with already having low test the odds are not in your favor IMO.

If you're someone worried about deca dick then just use NPP. It's a short Ester deca so if you get problems you can adjust dosage or come off of it much quicker than deca. I have to run my test higher than npp/deca or my libido shits it's self.

 

[exenzero]

Hey guys,
So I have a question. I’m 38 years old and my testosterone is pretty low, between 300 and 350. I was on TRT a few years ago but stopped because I eventually want to have children. Test definitely helped with a multitude of things and maybe someday I’ll get back on. I’ve done a few cycles back in the day of test and Deca. About 5 years ago I took Deca alone because I couldn’t find any test. Maybe it was a stupid move, but I definitely noticed some positive results. I gained some mass, got stronger and became much more vascular. I’ve been lifting my whole life and it seems like over the last 10 years my veins have disappeared in my forearms and wherever the where prevalent on my body before. I really like having normal and noticeable veins. I know that sounds dumb. I’m just worried something isn’t working right. Does anyone know the cause of this and would taking something like a Deca or dbol be a bad move without any test? Also if I were to do a cycle, would that crash the little test I am producing? Any advice would be helpful. Thank you and hope everyone is doing well.

At 38 years old, i would maybe even consider getting back on low dose trt and speaking mu doc about throwing in a pretty hefty hCG dose. with the advent of hCG being more common than it used to be and super effective. i don’t think people necessarily need to completely come off trt to have children. getting bloodwork done is super easy and cheap. chances are, there is probably a labcorp near you. Matt mentions a good point about the sponsors here. if you shoot @TheOldJJdigs a message, he can probably navigate/help out with that issue. he’s a really nice and knowledgeable guy. I don’t have much knowledge of cycles without a test base, and it’s so insanely cheap to get quality stuff now. There is a reason they say test is best. As for the vascularity thing, i would l probably just try to cut some weight. however, adding in AAS would certainly solve that issue. Best of luck & safe health. My PMs are always open!

 

[Matt88]

At 38 years old, i would maybe even consider getting back on low dose trt and speaking mu doc about throwing in a pretty hefty hCG dose. with the advent of hCG being more common than it used to be and super effective. i don’t think people necessarily need to completely come off trt to have children. getting bloodwork done is super easy and cheap. chances are, there is probably a labcorp near you. Matt mentions a good point about the sponsors here. if you shoot @TheOldJJdigs a message, he can probably navigate/help out with that issue. he’s a really nice and knowledgeable guy. I don’t have much knowledge of cycles without a test base, and it’s so insanely cheap to get quality stuff now. There is a reason they say test is best. As for the vascularity thing, i would l probably just try to cut some weight. however, adding in AAS would certainly solve that issue. Best of luck & safe health. My PMs are always open!

JJ is on vacation for a few days. @heavyhitter is their other rep.

 

[Montego]

Deca only cycles were gaining favor a year or two ago.

They're an option I suppose. Your natural testosterone production will be shut down as mentioned.

As far as fertility though, it's not going to help in that area.

 

[hot rod]

Hey guys,
So I have a question. I’m 38 years old and my testosterone is pretty low, between 300 and 350. I was on TRT a few years ago but stopped because I eventually want to have children. Test definitely helped with a multitude of things and maybe someday I’ll get back on. I’ve done a few cycles back in the day of test and Deca. About 5 years ago I took Deca alone because I couldn’t find any test. Maybe it was a stupid move, but I definitely noticed some positive results. I gained some mass, got stronger and became much more vascular. I’ve been lifting my whole life and it seems like over the last 10 years my veins have disappeared in my forearms and wherever the where prevalent on my body before. I really like having normal and noticeable veins. I know that sounds dumb. I’m just worried something isn’t working right. Does anyone know the cause of this and would taking something like a Deca or dbol be a bad move without any test? Also if I were to do a cycle, would that crash the little test I am producing? Any advice would be helpful. Thank you and hope everyone is doing well.

I don't know bro-ive done plenty of both test and deca over the years- when I was ur age,I basically didn't give a shit and blasted both and had no problems.BUT- now just a small amount of deca fucks w/ my sex life. For awhile proviron seemed to be the answer, but for now I'm abstaining just to see what happens. Anyway- bottom line- there's no way I would do a deca only cycle. From my perspective, it just doesn't make sense- especially if u want to have kids( hard to have kids when u can't get a hard-on). There's always the possibility u won't have problems- but why take that chance? I got my wife pregnant 8 years ago @50 yrs old and I've been blasting and cruising- on and off for 35 years.( And supposedly she wasn't able to have kids). I actually thought I was probably shooting blanks- but there's a little girl in the other room that proves otherwise. My honest opinion is ur a perfect candidate for trt. Unless something else is wrong I really don't think it will stop u from having kids- but deca could. I'm not a scientific type- but all science says I was never gonna be a daddy. And if I'm not mistaken- I was told " I love u daddy "about 10 minutes ago. This is all just my opinion bud. As far as the veins- from my standpoint a lot of that is genetic. My brother has never lifted weights and is covered w/ veins- always has been. I got some but I've been lifting weights since I was 14 and juicing. Certain steroids will make u vascular- but they may also make u have a lower sperm count so..... If I were u I would start a trt program- maybe add proviron( which will help w/ free test and add vascularity) and u COULD add low dose deca- not sure I would. But ultimately it's ur decision. Didn't mean too ramble on bro and good luck whatever u decide- HR

 

[Wiseguy]

I would not run deca without test.

Also I’ve been on TRT for decades and have 3 wonderful kids. Not sure why you think you can’t conceive on trt?

 

[heavyhitter]

I wouldn’t run a cycle without test in it. It can be done, but for someone without a lot of experience I wouldn’t mess with it. Any AAS is going to shut down natural production anyways, so leaving test out wouldn’t help anything anyways. It’s a choice you gotta make. A small amount of test and a little deca isn’t gonna be exponentially detrimental to most people. And you can have kids on AAS like Montego mentioned. All 3 of my kids were conceived in heavy cycles. That said….if your concerned go get your sperm tested

 

[Vision]

Nandrolone only is a terrible idea. There was some YouTubers some years ago trying to make it a thing. It's a terrible idea..
Far as your vascularity, saying that you had it when you're younger and now it's gone, basically you're saying you had the genetics for it but it's no longer there..
That sounds like body composition versus your diet. Besides vascularity being something that's genetics, if they are not there don't expect a drug to make them appear.
If you want them to appear, you would have to work on things in the kitchen some more, and also learn how to time your meals.
When you peel the layers down some, and you know how to time your carb take, with different types of carbs on the glucose scale with rice, oats, and a mixture of sugars from fruit whether it's pineapple or blueberry, honey , sometimes cereal and incorporating these with pre-workout, intra workout and post workout meals would make a difference. Also salt as well.
But I'm going to just take a wild guess here and it sounds like you need to clean up your diet some. Once you peel down some, and you learn how to time your meals, literally at specific times, and cater all of this around to your training, you can start road mapping pretty quickly.

If I was to offer any advice, it would be to get back on some tests at a low to moderate dose and just focus on dieting and nutrition timing.
And I'm dead serious when it comes down to proper meal timing, and specific types of nutrients and even minerals (sea salt or pink salt), even sports drinks like Gatorade and water intake.

 

[A.font401]

Few years back there was a thread here with someone that tan deca only for a full cycle. I can’t say I remember how it went because I don’t. If you do some digging you’ll find it.

 

[frank zazz]

Few years back there was a thread here with someone that tan deca only for a full cycle. I can’t say I remember how it went because I don’t. If you do some digging you’ll find it.

I don’t remember his name but according to him it was great and no bad sides . That’s the opposite for me , if I store my test bottles even next to my test than my dick refuses to work for a while .

 

[Vision]

Few years back there was a thread here with someone that tan deca only for a full cycle. I can’t say I remember how it went because I don’t. If you do some digging you’ll find it.

I don’t remember his name but according to him it was great and no bad sides . That’s the opposite for me , if I store my test bottles even next to my test than my dick refuses to work for a while .

Now if my memory serves me correctly, there's a couple guys. And if the both of you remember this was a thing for a hot minute..
Tony had this big wave going on with guys on YouTube and shit, guys all over God's creation were running this.
It's an absolute terrible idea.
I had a write up somewhere about it, with data and information I collected, with feedback and anecdotes and whatnot. It's somewhere in my archives I got to dig it up.

But on the flip side, it's funny how some things work...

Because I would say the same about tren, if someone ran that solo. I will tell them that's a terrible idea.
Yet the boys out of the Middle East have been doing it for decades, and these boys are absolute specimens. I'm not even sure how many guys in the west are aware of it that it's actually a thing for some of these boys over in the Middle East.. Tren only..

 

[A.font401]

Now if my memory serves me correctly, there's a couple guys. And if the both of you remember this was a thing for a hot minute..
Tony had this big wave going on with guys on YouTube and shit, guys all over God's creation were running this.
It's an absolute terrible idea.
I had a write up somewhere about it, with data and information I collected, with feedback and anecdotes and whatnot. It's somewhere in my archives I got to dig it up.

But on the flip side, it's funny how some things work...

Because I would say the same about tren, if someone ran that solo. I will tell them that's a terrible idea.
Yet the boys out of the Middle East have been doing it for decades, and these boys are absolute specimens. I'm not even sure how many guys in the west are aware of it that it's actually a thing for some of these boys over in the Middle East.. Tren only..

Now that I think of it, it was in gear churches sub forum I’m pretty sure? He ran a gram of deca alone

 

[Vision]

Now that I think of it, it was in gear churches sub forum I’m pretty sure? He ran a gram of deca alone

Not exactly sure what sub form it was in but I do remember it was definitely at a gram. Was over 900 that much I do know.
Simultaneously there's a couple other guys I believe over at BOP that we're doing something like it along the lines.
The idea of it is absolutely terrible

 

[A.font401]

Not exactly sure what sub form it was in but I do remember it was definitely at a gram. Was over 900 that much I do know.
Simultaneously there's a couple other guys I believe over at BOP that we're doing something like it along the lines.
The idea of it is absolutely terrible

Yea I won’t be trying anything like that ever lol I’ll pass

 

[Vision]

Now that I think of it, it was in gear churches sub forum I’m pretty sure? He ran a gram of deca alone

Lokthan's.... That was the the member and he openly admitted I believe that he needed to add some test to it...