Why all the hate for Dbol?

[TomJ]

You seem to confuse objective and subjective a lot.

No you subjectively disagree on what is objective.

Just because you subscribe to a popular opinion

My opinion is not popular

, that doesn't mean it is a fact when it comes to what people choose to believe about the Golden Era.

By the judging criteria present for the IFBB back in the 70s, todays top competitors objectively (yes objectively) are superior to the physiques of that erra. They are larger, leaner, and more balanced. this is not opinion, this is objective reality, just because you dont agree doesnt make it not objective.

Unless you have a time machine, you can't prove shit and you are no pro or a judge, so why do you think your opinion is more relevant than anyone else here?

I dont have a time machine, so i cant go back in time and kill hitler as an infant. does that mean we cant say that this would have been objectively better for the European jewish community at the time?
Im happy to discuss WHY someone might have a different opinion than me, but they have to at least bring something more to the table then "ArNoLd iS tHe GoAt, herp derp, i like their physiques better"

Kind of like your initial post before you edited

I dont see any post that i edited, which post are you referring too.

when you said no intelligent protocol includes Dbol.

And i stand by that, its a free country, im nobody heres dad, they can take whatever and however much of anything they want.
But from the aspect of strictly lasting performance outcomes, dbol comes up short and other options do everything it does better.
If you like dbol, great, have at it, but that doesnt change the fact that there are better tools for whatever job you want dbol to do.

You don't know what works for others and you are not the judge of what an intelligent choice is for someone else.

"i did a 1g tren only cycle, it worked for me"
does that make it an intelligent choice?

Its almost like you want to argue with people when you come across with your negative assumptions.

Go reread every response ive made to this thread.
I entered this thread to provide my input as to why there is so much hate for dbol.

smooth brained individuals then failed the reading comprehension check and argued with a point i was not making, and i corrected them.

Work on your delivery bro. I agree with some of your opinions but you come across as ignorant and simple minded when you keep stating your opinions as facts.

If people are going to respond to my comments with ignorance and stupidity im not going to hold their hand and gently coddle their fragile internet egos. my delivery is fine, i respond in kind.


Have a happy Christmas

 

[MackVMT]

No you subjectively disagree on what is objective.

Wrong. You are confused again. I feel like you live in a bubble reality.

My opinion is not popular

Agree.

By the judging criteria present for the IFBB back in the 70s, todays top competitors objectively (yes objectively) are superior to the physiques of that erra. They are larger, leaner, and more balanced. this is not opinion, this is objective reality, just because you dont agree doesnt make it not objective.

Its an opinion that you choose to believe no matter how much you want it to be fact.

I dont have a time machine, so i cant go back in time and kill hitler as an infant. does that mean we cant say that this would have been objectively better for the European jewish community at the time?
Im happy to discuss WHY someone might have a different opinion than me, but they have to at least bring something more to the table then "ArNoLd iS tHe GoAt, herp derp, i like their physiques better"

Typical response from someone simple minded. Deflection and mocking to insult. Grow up.

I dont see any post that i edited, which post are you referring too.

Your first post here. Now that I look at it again, it is still full of foolish assumptions.

And i stand by that, its a free country, im nobody heres dad, they can take whatever and however much of anything they want.
But from the aspect of strictly lasting performance outcomes, dbol comes up short and other options do everything it does better.
If you like dbol, great, have at it, but that doesnt change the fact that there are better tools for whatever job you want dbol to do.

Better tools IN YOUR OPINION.

"i did a 1g tren only cycle, it worked for me"
does that make it an intelligent choice?

You are deflecting again.

Go reread every response ive made to this thread.
I entered this thread to provide my input as to why there is so much hate for dbol.

You started by saying no intelligent protocol includes Dbol.

smooth brained individuals then failed the reading comprehension check and argued with a point i was not making, and i corrected them.

Again, small minded guy resulting to insults instead of normal conversation.

If people are going to respond to my comments with ignorance and stupidity im not going to hold their hand and gently coddle their fragile internet egos. my delivery is fine, i respond in kind.

Seems like you have a problem with the ego pal and really Im not sure what the ego is about. Like what is it based on?

Have a happy Christmas

You too bro.

 

[TomJ]

Wrong. You are confused again. I feel like you live in a bubble reality.

thats your subjective opinion

Its an opinion that you choose to believe no matter how much you want it to be fact.

Which statement did i make that cannot be proved by objective metrics? are you arguing that BB today are NOT larger, more balanced, and better conditioned than the golden erra?
Are you arguing that the judging criteria didnt explicitly reward and prioritize these areas?
Which part do you not believe is fact?

Typical response from someone simple minded. Deflection and mocking to insult. Grow up.

giving an analogous example to show the logical failings of your argument is not deflecting and there was no mocking insult.
grow up

Your first post here. Now that I look at it again, it is still full of foolish assumptions.

your subjective opinion

Better tools IN YOUR OPINION.

by objective metrics.
If you like dbol, and it makes you feel good and strong, have at it.
I never said dbol doesnt work or that its not viable.

My position is that, whatever your goal, theres a different option that will have better results.
And i can back that up by objective and clinical metrics.
"I like it, it works for me" is not disproving or even disagreeing with my stance.

You are deflecting again.

again, providing an analogous example to show logical failings.
You are free to address them appropriately instead of deflecting yourself.

You started by saying no intelligent protocol includes Dbol.

This is not to mean that you are stupid for using dbol, ive never said or insinuated such.
meaning any thought out and informed/educated protocol would include some alternative other than dbol.
You can still use dbol because you like it and it makes you feel good, and still recognize that if strict results were your goal, alternatives would get you more.
They arent mutually exclusive.

Again, small minded guy resulting to insults instead of normal conversation.

is what i said wrong?
@Devilman1717 started this dumpsterfire with his failed reading comprehension.
There is no normal conversation to be had.

Seems like you have a problem with the ego pal and really Im not sure what the ego is about. Like what is it based on?

If you say so.

If youd like to continue this train of discussion, feel free to PM and we can talk about it more.
I wont be responding any further and derailing this thread farther than it already has with stupid bickering.

 

[MackVMT]

thats your subjective opinion

Never said it wasn't. You are the one confused between subjective and objective.

Which statement did i make that cannot be proved by objective metrics? are you arguing that BB today are NOT larger, more balanced, and better conditioned than the golden erra?
Are you arguing that the judging criteria didnt explicitly reward and prioritize these areas?
Which part do you not believe is fact?

I'm not arguing anything. I'm pointing out that you simply don't understand subjective vs objective.

giving an analogous example to show the logical failings of your argument is not deflecting and there was no mocking insult.
grow up

No, you resorted to childish mocking and insults because you are far from intelligent.

your subjective opinion

Again, I'm not the one with the misunderstanding of subjective vs objective.

by objective metrics.
If you like dbol, and it makes you feel good and strong, have at it.
I never said dbol doesnt work or that its not viable.

Wrong. Again, no matter how much you want your opinion to be fact, it is not a fact.

My position is that, whatever your goal, theres a different option that will have better results.
And i can back that up by objective and clinical metrics.
"I like it, it works for me" is not disproving or even disagreeing with my stance.

Your position is based on your opinion.

again, providing an analogous example to show logical failings.
You are free to address them appropriately instead of deflecting yourself.

Wow, your lack of comprehension and inability to address reality is astounding. Act like I child, I guess I have to treat you like a child.

This is not to mean that you are stupid for using dbol, ive never said or insinuated such.
meaning any thought out and informed/educated protocol would include some alternative other than dbol.
You can still use dbol because you like it and it makes you feel good, and still recognize that if strict results were your goal, alternatives would get you more.
They arent mutually exclusive.

I never said anything about goals. Stop with your assumptions. My whole point is that you don't understand subjective vs objective.

is what i said wrong?
@Devilman1717 started this dumpsterfire with his failed reading comprehension.
There is no normal conversation to be had.

This isn't black and white, right and wrong. This is where you fail. There is plenty of in between and you are too simple minded to see in between the spaces.

If you say so.

If youd like to continue this train of discussion, feel free to PM and we can talk about it more.
I wont be responding any further and derailing this thread farther than it already has with stupid bickering.

Good. You shouldn't. I hope in the future you actually think before you type.

 

[domestic-supply]

I would love to see it. Dbol/mast Dbol/primo would be very interesting no test.

Or like 6 weeks of 100 dbol

I did 3 months of Dbol non stop with great result.
Dbol/Primo was Arnold`s favorite stack I believe

 

[topicheadline]

I mean being subjective it does build some muscle over time, it does cause some estrogen issues, it does cause some significant retention, for many it positively affects mood, it does increase strength, it can certainly increase blood pressure and affect bloodwork. I mean it's all really what you need in your cycle and what you're willing to deal with. Some people don't like some things and others weigh those positives over the negatives in their circumstances. People are gonna like it and people are gonna hate it.

Now personally, I think it's okay. I prefer adrol

 

[Omoplata]

Even though OP is wrong on everything I like Dbol. I think Dbol is a great drug to pulse 2-3x a week for heavy sessions. I can’t speak of any sides because I never done a ed for weeks cycle.

How much have you taken prior to a heavy session and does timing matter? I read that it's best 45min-1hr.

 

[Bolan]

I dont hate it .. I just took 50mg
Love me some Dbol.

 

[Meetketchup]

It's not so much hating the compound. When used correctly and in the right circumstances, is like anything. A good tool in the toolbox.

It's the constant barrage of gym bro's who have no idea what they are doing, high bodyfat, poor diet, etc wanting to run it constantly.

 

[bwh998]

It aint a party unless ive popped at least 100mg.

Anyone who hates dbol probably also hates titties and lap dances...

 

[Glycomann]

I always really liked dbol. Felt great and looked great. I never noticed that much water weight.

A friend of mine did say “you look so retarded that big” once, but I felt like a millionaire on dbol.

I’ve stopped all (cept tbol) orals indefinitely because I don’t compete and I’m of the opinion now that if I’m not using my body to win awards and make money than there really is no need for anything other than test…. And maybe a nandrolone …. And primo.


And maybe tbol once in a blue moon on heavy days.

But that’s it really lol

But but but... Masteron!!

 

[HAAM]

no need for anything other than test…. And maybe a nandrolone …. And primo.


And maybe tbol once in a blue moon on heavy days.

But that’s it really lol

 

[Syntha Claus]

Imagine hating dbol but everything you do otherwise revolves around huge doses of tren.

 

[Omoplata]

Imagine hating dbol but everything you do otherwise revolves around huge doses of tren.

your low dosage approach is unique, and one day, I would like to learn from you on how to be a strong power lifter.

Shit… I’m curious how many hours of sleep you get! 7+?

 

[Syntha Claus]

your low dosage approach is unique, and one day, I would like to learn from you on how to be a strong power lifter.

Shit… I’m curious how many hours of sleep you get! 7+?

I am not strong. Never have been. Am I stronger than a "normal" person? Of course. But I am not even remotely as strong as I appear. I have ideas on how to make someone stronger as I have been around many powerlifters over the years...before the whole division between types of training separated us all. I blame CrossFit on this happening. Lol!

I sleep from 2130 or 2200 until 0600 or 0700. I nap for as long as I can mid morning or afternoon. Usually an hour or so. If I do not nap, I fall asleep watching TV with my wife around 2000....and it pisses her off, so I nap.

Low dosage?
This is the requirement of my entire 20 week prep mapped out:

1 vial of Tren hex
5 vials of Test cyp
1.5 vials of Deca
4 vials of Mast p
1.5 vials of Eq
and of course I will use between 2-4iu of HGH per day.
No orals except halo the last two weeks, just because I have some.

Let's see where this gets me on July 4.

 

[OlePhart]

I'm the LAST person on this board qualified to give advice so I won't. Just my thoughts though, if it works for you for your specific goal? Great! If it doesn't? Don't use it. Simple. Individual anecdotal results reign supreme over any real science or bro science or anything else. Experimenting with different compounds YOURSELF tells the tale. That goes for ANY compound. Don't be so presumptuous as to try and tell me what works for me. That's arrogant and absurd.

 

[BBruce]

How much have you taken prior to a heavy session and does timing matter? I read that it's best 45min-1hr.

I stay fairly low, 10-20mg under the tongue on my way to the gym, so around 30-45min before I start lifting.

10mg Dbol gives me a little extra pump and strength, 20mg is better but I save that for heavier sessions.

 

[Milford King]

It's not so much hating the compound. When used correctly and in the right circumstances, is like anything. A good tool in the toolbox.

It's the constant barrage of gym bro's who have no idea what they are doing, high bodyfat, poor diet, etc wanting to run it constantly.

I really admire you guys that care and I get it, they are irresponsible and help the arguement against AAS legalization.

But I fucking love when dipshits do what you’re talking about.. the gyms are flooded with roids these days and any edge I can get im good with. I know I don’t compete in a literal sense but I do compete in public, I think we all do. Want to catch them women staring and look the best in a Home Depot or lowes on a Saturday morning. Just makes a man feel good about himself.

The more dudes with bitch tits the better I say.

 

[Omoplata]

I really admire you guys that care and I get it, they are irresponsible and help the arguement against AAS legalization.

But I fucking love when dipshits do what you’re talking about.. the gyms are flooded with roids these days and any edge I can get im good with. I know I don’t compete in a literal sense but I do compete in public, I think we all do. Want to catch them women staring and look the best in a Home Depot or lowes on a Saturday morning. Just makes a man feel good about himself.

The more dudes with bitch tits the better I say.

bitch tits like Bob from Fight Club

 

[Glycomann]

bitch tits like Bob from Fight Club

His name was Robert Paulson.

 

[Omoplata]

His name was Robert Paulson.

 

[big_rich]

In my experience, dbol is a total waste.. results come on strong, but it's all the results dissipate as soon as I discontinue the dbol. So all the bad effects on lipids for extra water just aren't worth it, in my opinion.