Why all the hate for Dbol?

[Machforce1]

To be clear, I’ve never used it. Seems 90% or more of the comments on Dbol are negative. Some people love it and most hate it. Hardly any in between. But lots of the best physiques ever created were done with Dbol, according to the golden era “historians”. Of course we will never truly know what those guys actually took, but given what was generally available back then, the use of Dbol was likely widespread. I am one of those people who believe the physiques during the golden era are infinitely better than the ones today, yet there are more compounds available now than there were during that era. Thoughts gentlemen?

 

[TomJ]

To be clear, I’ve never used it. Seems 90% or more of the comments on Dbol are negative.

because it serves no logical purpose in modern PED protocol design

Some people love it and most hate it. Hardly any in between. But lots of the best physiques ever created were done with Dbol, according to the golden era “historians”.

1) The golden era were not the "Best physiques ever created" some golden erra legends wouldnt even earn a pro card today in bodybuilding.
2) they werent "created with dbol" they used anything and everything that was available and dbol was just one of the few options available at the time.

Of course we will never truly know what those guys actually took, but given what was generally available back then, the use of Dbol was likely widespread.

It WAS. we have better knowledge and options now.

I am one of those people who believe the physiques during the golden era are infinitely better than the ones today, yet there are more compounds available now than there were during that era.

You can think whatever you like, your personal preference in men is no concern of mine. you do you bro, no judgement.
But if you take any top5 Olympian from the last 10 years and put them the golden erra stage, they still win.
Physiques today are objectively better developed, more conditioned, and more complete/balanced than the golden erra physiques.

 

[mabacherlijr]

I’d like to hear what people say on this

 

[302]

I think it’s a great option if you just wanna look huge in a big T-shirt. The loss of gains after coming off. Bp issues, water retention and liver toxicity turns me off..
I do have some and plan on running a low dose of like 10 mg. A day. To see what kind of mental affects I can get from it.
I took it one time at 40 mg preworkout and it fucked my nipples up for 2 weeks. lol!!

 

[Meetketchup]

Agree 100% with @TomJ

If you love a ton of water/glycogen retention, increases in E2, taxing the liver, increased blood pressure and pure "weight" gain that will drop off when you discontinue...then have at it.

Does f all for your physique, which is why there are very few competitors touching it anymore. Much better options such as var.

 

[Astro95]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t they not using testosterone in the Arnold days? Or minimal test if any?

I see where Dbol Deca cycles would shine in those circumstances allowing for the Testosterone, estrogen conversion. There’s plenty of ways to skin a cat, AAS wise. You can have just enough test for proper body function and drive growth with other compounds assuming you keep proper TT and E2 levels.

Also depends on the person if you don’t convert much estrogen you’ll probably enjoy Dbol much more than a high converter will. Assuming you’re running low or even no test people would probably have a better experience than the average cycle these days with 5,7 even a gram of test plus Dbol equals disaster.

 

[Glycomann]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t they not using testosterone in the Arnold days? Or minimal test if any?

I see where Dbol Deca cycles would shine in those circumstances allowing for the Testosterone, estrogen conversion. There’s plenty of ways to skin a cat, AAS wise. You can have just enough test for proper body function and drive growth with other compounds assuming you keep proper TT and E2 levels.

Also depends on the person if you don’t convert much estrogen you’ll probably enjoy Dbol much more than a high converter will. Assuming you’re running low or even no test people would probably have a better experience than the average cycle these days with 5,7 even a gram of test plus Dbol equals disaster.

Yup, my first cycle, which I have posted 20,000 times. i am the rare individual that came off for 6 months afterward. Put on 25 lbs and after all said and done after 6 months off I kept 12 lbs of good mass. and no I wasn't a fat fuck. I was training 2x a day between weight training, dojo and road work a good part of the year back then. Long ass time ago 20 mg/d dianabol and 200 mg/w deca.

 

[Valdosta]

because it serves no logical purpose in modern PED protocol design


1) The golden era were not the "Best physiques ever created" some golden erra legends wouldnt even earn a pro card today in bodybuilding.
2) they werent "created with dbol" they used anything and everything that was available and dbol was just one of the few options available at the time.


It WAS. we have better knowledge and options now.


You can think whatever you like, your personal preference in men is no concern of mine. you do you bro, no judgement.
But if you take any top5 Olympian from the last 10 years and put them the golden erra stage, they still win.
Physiques today are objectively better developed, more conditioned, and more complete/balanced than the golden erra physiques.

i know the 70s fellas dont live up to todays standards but where do you (and anyone else that sees this) think ronnie and dorian would fall compared to today?

 

[BBruce]

Even though OP is wrong on everything I like Dbol. I think Dbol is a great drug to pulse 2-3x a week for heavy sessions. I can’t speak of any sides because I never done a ed for weeks cycle.

 

[302]

Even though OP is wrong on everything I like Dbol. I think Dbol is a great drug to pulse 2-3x a week for heavy sessions. I can’t speak of any sides because I never done a ed for weeks cycle.

What doses did you use?

 

[TomJ]

i know the 70s fellas dont live up to todays standards but where do you (and anyone else that sees this) think ronnie and dorian would fall compared to today?

This question comes up with every erra/generation/year. I think its a good question but i think there isnt a clear answer

depends on which ronnie and which dorian.

By todays standards i think peak ronnie still wins against todays lineup.

For Dorian, its not so clear, peak dorian would probably win in this years lineup if i had to guess.
Sampson has a great shape and size, but still has gaps in his physique and wasnt as conditioned as weve come to expect for 1st place.
I think derek and hadi would just get outsized next to dorian.

All this with the HUGE caveat that ive only ever seen pictures of peak ronnie and dorian, where ive seen a lot of the current guys in person. maybe the story is different seeing them in person side by side.

 

[BBruce]

What doses did you use?

10mg-20mg, I get a little strength and mental boost from that and the pumps are great.

 

[Fat Mike01]

Alot of guys use it to get a quick jump start before their main compound saturates. Then drop it. Hey it does the job

 

[Wiseguy]

I personally don’t use any wet compounds.adding water weight just
Not for me.

 

[domestic-supply]

To be clear, I’ve never used it. Seems 90% or more of the comments on Dbol are negative. Some people love it and most hate it. Hardly any in between. But lots of the best physiques ever created were done with Dbol, according to the golden era “historians”. Of course we will never truly know what those guys actually took, but given what was generally available back then, the use of Dbol was likely widespread. I am one of those people who believe the physiques during the golden era are infinitely better than the ones today, yet there are more compounds available now than there were during that era. Thoughts gentlemen?

Because alot of "gurus" in YouTube say its liver toxic and can not be used in modern bodybuilding
Same with oral winstrol - they say its extremely toxic and bad in almost every aspect.

I lnow for a fact alot of IFBB pros use dbol for bulking and winny precontest.

 

[trtabisy71]

I used dbol once and hated it, truth be told I should’ve done better with the cycle itself but I had no appetite, looked really bloated and was sensible as a bitch from all that estrogen. Also had some abdominal pain at some point and that’s where I was like that’s it. I’m sure other guys can have great success with it but I’m just not a fan of orals

 

[Machforce1]

Because alot of "gurus" in YouTube say its liver toxic and can not be used in modern bodybuilding
Same with oral winstrol - they say its extremely toxic and bad in almost every aspect.

I lnow for a fact alot of IFBB pros use dbol for bulking and winny precontest.

Interesting conversation gentlemen. What’s that saying…”Dbol, breakfast of champions”?

 

[domestic-supply]

Interesting conversation gentlemen. What’s that saying…”Dbol, breakfast of champions”?

If you look at Dorian or Nasser or Ronnie off season these guys were all bloated as hell
And if you compare Dorian, Ronnie, Chris Cormier, Flex or Kevin Levrone to todays champions like Samson or Big Rami, Nick Walker you will notice these guys looked way better on stage.

I used dbol once and hated it, truth be told I should’ve done better with the cycle itself but I had no appetite, looked really bloated and was sensible as a bitch from all that estrogen. Also had some abdominal pain at some point and that’s where I was like that’s it. I’m sure other guys can have great success with it but I’m just not a fan of orals

Ive never had any appettite problems with Dbol, its absolutely uncommon for the Dbol, you always feel good on Dbol. Water retention is there but if your goal is to get bigger and stronger shortly it will deliver you from point A to pont B as fast as possible. And no, its not just water gains Of course not. People talking about Dbol/Drol water retention like they never experienced any with Testosterone?

 

[Oldschool1]

It’s just never done much for me unless I run high dose which in turn throws my e2 out.. just think there are better options

 

[Johnnyhartly]

I also like dbol in pulsing fashion like @BBruce said. Dbol feels good af bro.

 

[Fat Mike01]

It’s just never done much for me unless I run high dose which in turn throws my e2 out.. just think there are better options

yeah, like know your body and compounds you take. Know how and when to use an AI. No reason for anything to get out of your control with E2

 

[SloppyJ]

What the fuck happened around here? We used to rail 50mg just to get out of bed!

 

[JACKED_]

I also like dbol in pulsing fashion like @BBruce said. Dbol feels good af bro.

The guys that don’t like dbol like being small probably

 

[JJB1]

I used to love stacking injectable dbol and injectable Anadrol with nothing else when I was broke. I got 60ccs/25mg of either for $25. Great for nitrogen retention and strength.
Bloating is diet related. I stayed in Contest condition Year round when I was competing regardless of what AAS I took.

 

[Glycomann]

You know all these poodles and pills are tools in a tool box. If you use your imagination every one has a premier purpose where they shine. But no job uses every tool in the toolbox but it's nice to know that you have a whole box full of very very useful tools.

 

[Johnnyhartly]

You know all these poodles and pills are tools in a tool box. If you use your imagination every one has a premier purpose where they shine. But no job uses every tool in the toolbox but it's nice to know that you have a whole box full of very very useful tools.

I love you

 

[rawbuilt]

who cares what other people say or think... if you like dbol and it works for you then use it

its a drug at the end of the day and it affects everyone differently... idk why people try to demonize certain compounds its stupid tbh just use whatever tf you want

 

[Milford King]

I always really liked dbol. Felt great and looked great. I never noticed that much water weight.

A friend of mine did say “you look so retarded that big” once, but I felt like a millionaire on dbol.

I’ve stopped all (cept tbol) orals indefinitely because I don’t compete and I’m of the opinion now that if I’m not using my body to win awards and make money than there really is no need for anything other than test…. And maybe a nandrolone …. And primo.


And maybe tbol once in a blue moon on heavy days.

But that’s it really lol

 

[Glycomann]

I always really liked dbol. Felt great and looked great. I never noticed that much water weight.

A friend of mine did say “you look so retarded that big” once, but I felt like a millionaire on dbol.

I’ve stopped all (cept tbol) orals indefinitely because I don’t compete and I’m of the opinion now that if I’m not using my body to win awards and make money than there really is no need for anything other than test…. And maybe a nandrolone …. And primo.


And maybe tbol once in a blue moon on heavy days.

But that’s it really lol

And a little Masteron. Don't forget test prop as a mood elevator, and an occasional stint with Anavar.

 

[Thechemicals]

Dbol- loved it. Hard fucking pumps and went further into lifts. Felt beast mode.
I dodnt even knowntheir were haters of dbols, just weaklings with tummy aches.