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Why all the hate for Dbol?

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domestic-supply said:
Because alot of "gurus" in YouTube say its liver toxic and can not be used in modern bodybuilding
Same with oral winstrol - they say its extremely toxic and bad in almost every aspect.

I lnow for a fact alot of IFBB pros use dbol for bulking and winny precontest.
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Same “gurus” concerned about liver toxicity have guys pinning 100mg of tren, 100mg test prop and 100mg of masteron daily.
Gotta watch that health. smdh.

And those bodybuilders “back in the day” were fat off season because they knew fokkol about diets and nutrition. Or they had zero self control like Lee “Kentucky Chicken/Macca’s” Priest.

I hear all the time, even yesterday, about these “watery” compounds. Dudes avoid deca because of this and deca is probably in the top five of the best compounds out there.
I can fucking cut on dbol, or deca for that matter.
Agree it fucks with blood pressure and more importantly for us, appetite.
But I see guys all over this forum using GLPs on cycles.
Talk about making zero sense.

I personally would avoid orals. But that’s just me an my personal experience. I don’t have a need for it and I am probably not going to put on any signifant muscle at my age and at this point in life.

But one of these twig kids who insist on using gear at an insanely young age, would do better to pop a few dbols than pinning hundreds of mg of tren their first cycles. The gyno thing is out there but this doesn’t seem to be any concern. I am seeing gyno EVERYWHERE. Not just on stage, but on this forum too.
 
CoachCabo said:
And those bodybuilders “back in the day” were fat off season because they knew fokkol about diets and nutrition. Or they had zero self control like Lee “Kentucky Chicken/Macca’s” Priest.

I hear all the time, even yesterday, about these “watery” compounds. Dudes avoid deca because of this and deca is probably in the top five of the best compounds out there.
I can fucking cut on dbol, or deca for that matter.
Agree it fucks with blood pressure and more importantly for us, appetite.
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Absolutely correct, couldnt say any better. Never had any appetite issues with dbol though. BP issues - yes, for sure.
These days guys who dont even compete take primo and var because they are kinda safe/mild steroids. Combining Primo and Var with Semaglutide :) To me both are useless as mass gainers and Id rather use Winstrol for cutting than Anavar.
Run Test/Deca/Winstrol cycle and watch your diet! You will get alot better results compared to Primo/Var cycle in my opinion.


CoachCabo said:
But one of these twig kids who insist on using gear at an insanely young age, would do better to pop a few dbols than pinning hundreds of mg of tren their first cycles. The gyno thing is out there but this doesn’t seem to be any concern. I am seeing gyno EVERYWHERE. Not just on stage, but on this forum too.
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100%
youngsters taking crazy dosages of Trenbolone and kidney arent build same was as a liver, no self healing.
 
Machforce1 said:
To be clear, I’ve never used it. Seems 90% or more of the comments on Dbol are negative. Some people love it and most hate it. Hardly any in between. But lots of the best physiques ever created were done with Dbol, according to the golden era “historians”. Of course we will never truly know what those guys actually took, but given what was generally available back then, the use of Dbol was likely widespread. I am one of those people who believe the physiques during the golden era are infinitely better than the ones today, yet there are more compounds available now than there were during that era. Thoughts gentlemen?
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People hate it bc they dont know how to run it, or have never ran it, or are just repeating shit they heard. 🤷
 
CoachCabo said:
But I see guys all over this forum using GLPs on cycles.
Talk about making zero sense.
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GLPs have many health benefits though. For instance I get 0 hunger suppression from 5mg tirzepatide so I keep it in year round. My kidney values drastically improved on this dose and my fasted bg was roughly 5 points lower. On a cut I’ll use 15mgs and it’s makes it easy. I’m not poking you with this, I’m just curious why you say it makes 0 sense.

I find tirzepatide specifically can be a very useful bodybuilding tool.

Ok you’re going to yell at me here but I attempted my first “rebound” on test/tren/ment/anadrol and 7 days after coming off had an hdl of 52 and ldl of 96.
 
JACKED_ said:
GLPs have many health benefits though. For instance I get 0 hunger suppression from 5mg tirzepatide so I keep it in year round. My kidney values drastically improved on this dose and my fasted bg was roughly 5 points lower. On a cut I’ll use 15mgs and it’s makes it easy. I’m not poking you with this, I’m just curious why you say it makes 0 sense.

I find tirzepatide specifically can be a very useful bodybuilding tool.

Ok you’re going to yell at me here but I attempted my first “rebound” on test/tren/ment/anadrol and 7 days after coming off had an hdl of 52 and ldl of 96.
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GLPs are going to fk you up, thats why.
Just wait... its coming. Smfh 🤦
 
Fletcher sort of answered for me. Expounding…look at the data coming in on thyroid damage. Last thing I read was related to the “black box warning”.
Remember, the FDA doesn’t GAF about you and if it gets them paid, they promote it. To put a black box warning on it tells us that it truly is bad shit.
I don’t trust anything from the FDA but I still take notice.
It IS looking like there’s 100% chance of thyroid damage using them.

Slowing digestion, decreasing appetite, et al, I just can’t see how that benefits a bodybuilder in any way. I freak out taking a proton pump inhibitor because I don’t want to fuck with my digestion.
I can tell you one thing, I have yet to see any of these “miraculous weight loss” cases where the former fatties resemble anything close to healthy. I just passed one on my beach walk earlier today. Dude looked absolutely horrible. Like “cancer patient” horrible.

And I don’t need to yell at anyone. That cycle was nutty. If you think it wasn’t, I can guaran-fucking-tee you that this road is not going to be a good one for you. You just don’t need all the drugs you are using, man. I would love to see your enthusiasm for drugs spent in other aspects.
My physique and longevity in this “sport” should speak for itself and how my “less is more” philosyphy hold some water.
I get that some guys can do more, maybe get better results, but thinking that using crazy cycles isn’t harmful is in the same league as “health at any size”.

Again, I don’t GAF what people do. But being an ostrich where harm is concerned (or possible at the least) is not very wise.

Do you guys really think tart cherry doesn’t work? Enough with the mutual exclusivity. Results, harm, and “a waste of money” are a spectrum.
 
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CoachCabo said:
Fletcher sort of answered for me. Expounding…look at the data coming in on thyroid damage. Last thing I read was related to the “black box warning”.
Remember, the FDA doesn’t GAF about you and if it gets them paid, they promote it. To put a black box warning on it tells us that it truly is bad shit.
I don’t trust anything from the FDA but I still take notice.
It IS looking like there’s 100% chance of thyroid damage using them.

Slowing digestion, decreasing appetite, et al, I just can’t see how that benefits a bodybuilder in any way. I freak out taking a proton pump inhibitor because I don’t want to fuck with my digestion.
I can tell you one thing, I have yet to see any of these “miraculous weight loss” cases where the former fatties resemble anything close to healthy. I just passed one on my beach walk earlier today. Dude looked absolutely horrible. Like “cancer patient” horrible.

And I don’t need to yell at anyone. That cycle was nutty. If you think it wasn’t, I can guaran-fucking-tee you that this road is not going to be a good one for you. You just don’t need all the drugs you are using, man. I would love to see your enthusiasm for drugs spent in other aspects.
My physique and longevity in this “sport” should speak for itself and how my “less is more” philosyphy hold some water.
I get that some guys can do more, maybe get better results, but thinking that using crazy cycles isn’t harmful is in the same league as “health at any size”.

Again, I don’t GAF what people do. But being an ostrich where harm is concerned (or possible at the least) is not very wise.

Do you guys really think tart cherry doesn’t work? Enough with the mutual exclusivity. Results, harm, and “a waste of money” are a spectrum.
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ah yes, type a long boring message that no one wants to read. Well done.
 
JACKED_ said:
Yea yea yea and I should take tart cherry juice for my bp? I think you might actually be retarded

Stop listening to that chiropractor that pretends to be a doctor and use your brain for once
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😄 what??? Where did that come from? 😄😄😄
 
BBruce said:
10mg-20mg, I get a little strength and mental boost from that and the pumps are great.
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Same here and mostly as a PWO.

I'm with others in that if a drug works for me, I give 0 fucks what someone else thinks or wants to play off as facts of said drug.
 
Glycomann said:
You know all these poodles and pills are tools in a tool box. If you use your imagination every one has a premier purpose where they shine. But no job uses every tool in the toolbox but it's nice to know that you have a whole box full of very very useful tools.
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Fantastistic post!
Johnnyhartly said:
I love you
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You stay away, he's mine!
 
JACKED_ said:
Yea yea yea and I should take tart cherry juice for my bp? I think you might actually be retarded

Stop listening to that chiropractor that pretends to be a doctor and use your brain for once
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Here, I made you your own dept. ...
I work there Friday nights, stop by 😎

Fletcher

Thread 'Bitch Ass Bitch Ass Dept.'

😄

Apprently theres a whole lot of sand in some vaginas around here tonight... bring all that drama to the pit where it belongs.

Lets get everyone's ass-wiped up fresh before the Holidays ladies.
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JACKED_ said:
Yea yea yea and I should take tart cherry juice for my bp? I think you might actually be retarded

Stop listening to that chiropractor that pretends to be a doctor and use your brain for once
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Actually its a Dbol/Aromasin ratio.

PM me for it @everyoneexceptjacked_
 
I don’t know. Each to their own. I honestly like Dbol. I’m kinda like @CoachCabo. I can use it in any cycle really and get good results whether I’m technically cutting or bulking. Maybe it’s placebo but I also seem to get a sense of wellbeing as well when running it. Regardless OP it’s imo definitely worth trying. I keep seeing alot of guys saying they loose all their gained when coming off too but imo that’s based more on you than the lack of drug in your system. Keep eating right and keep training like a motherfucker and you should keep a good bit of your gains. Again just my opinion so hope nobody attacks me for giving it. Lol
 
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BTW you guys suck. I finally find the thread where insults are flying and as soon as I get all comfortable and ready to sit back and enjoy all you fuckers go to bed. Seriously? I hope you all have nightmares!!!🤬
 
CoachCabo said:
Same “gurus” concerned about liver toxicity have guys pinning 100mg of tren, 100mg test prop and 100mg of masteron daily.
Gotta watch that health. smdh.

And those bodybuilders “back in the day” were fat off season because they knew fokkol about diets and nutrition. Or they had zero self control like Lee “Kentucky Chicken/Macca’s” Priest.

I hear all the time, even yesterday, about these “watery” compounds. Dudes avoid deca because of this and deca is probably in the top five of the best compounds out there.
I can fucking cut on dbol, or deca for that matter.
Agree it fucks with blood pressure and more importantly for us, appetite.
But I see guys all over this forum using GLPs on cycles.
Talk about making zero sense.

I personally would avoid orals. But that’s just me an my personal experience. I don’t have a need for it and I am probably not going to put on any signifant muscle at my age and at this point in life.

But one of these twig kids who insist on using gear at an insanely young age, would do better to pop a few dbols than pinning hundreds of mg of tren their first cycles. The gyno thing is out there but this doesn’t seem to be any concern. I am seeing gyno EVERYWHERE. Not just on stage, but on this forum too.
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We are fortunate to have come up in the 70s as natural teens and watching the birth of this era. then finally after training natural for a long long time, get into this when it took a little cunning, developing key relationships, and making due with what was available, learning what we could based on Physician Desk Reference, the Dewy Decimal System, underground handbooks, gym friends, the old Muscle Mag etc.

The training came first, the food was right along side, and the little bit of drugs was really really obviously effective with the system already in place. I even say that coming off was a lesson since the aftermath was realized, the 3 - 4 months off saw the loss of the steroid pump, the brief period of hypogonadism, and the return to normal, and feeling return to healthy status.

Most of today's users don't have this experience and therefore many cannot fathom how it all works. Now we are old and most won't listen to "when I was young...".
 
Glycomann said:
We are fortunate to have come up in the 70s as natural teens and watching the birth of this era. then finally after training natural for a long long time, get into this when it took a little cunning, developing key relationships, and making due with what was available, learning what we could based on Physician Desk Reference, the Dewy Decimal System, underground handbooks, gym friends, the old Muscle Mag etc.

The training came first, the food was right along side, and the little bit of drugs was really really obviously effective with the system already in place. I even say that coming off was a lesson since the aftermath was realized, the 3 - 4 months off saw the loss of the steroid pump, the brief period of hypogonadism, and the return to normal, and feeling return to healthy status.

Most of today's users don't have this experience and therefore many cannot fathom how it all works. Now we are old and most won't listen to "when I was young...".
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You absolutely nailed it here.
 
Astro95 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t they not using testosterone in the Arnold days? Or minimal test if any?

I see where Dbol Deca cycles would shine in those circumstances allowing for the Testosterone, estrogen conversion. There’s plenty of ways to skin a cat, AAS wise. You can have just enough test for proper body function and drive growth with other compounds assuming you keep proper TT and E2 levels.

Also depends on the person if you don’t convert much estrogen you’ll probably enjoy Dbol much more than a high converter will. Assuming you’re running low or even no test people would probably have a better experience than the average cycle these days with 5,7 even a gram of test plus Dbol equals disaster.
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They didn't use test back then I don't think. They got their estrogen from the dbol(different form of estrogen than I get from test). I never used real dbol don't think. Tried it once but think it was fake cause I got jack shit from it good or bad.

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samgraves82 said:
They didn't use test back then I don't think. They got their estrogen from the dbol(different form of estrogen than I get from test). I never used real dbol don't think. Tried it once but think it was fake cause I got jack shit from it good or bad.

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I’ve used a couple different Dbol sources, but the one I enjoyed the best was Flash aka platinum. Only aas that has ever actually gave me a “feels” report. Makes you feel good almost like a recreational drug. Crazy pumps, just never liked the water buffalo look.
 
Astro95 said:
I’ve used a couple different Dbol sources, but the one I enjoyed the best was Flash aka platinum. Only aas that has ever actually gave me a “feels” report. Makes you feel good almost like a recreational drug. Crazy pumps, just never liked the water buffalo look.
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Water buffalo look and skyrocketed blood pressure for this guy (only cycled dbol in my youth).

Some people handle it better than others. I don't use it anymore but last time I did was about 4-5 years back and only low dose as a PWO.
 
MackVMT said:
Water buffalo look and skyrocketed blood pressure for this guy (only cycled dbol in my youth).

Some people handle it better than others. I don't use it anymore but last time I did was about 4-5 years back and only low dose as a PWO.
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The sides are not from the dbol, its from the conversion. Solve the conversion. 😉
 
MackVMT said:
Water buffalo look and skyrocketed blood pressure for this guy (only cycled dbol in my youth).

Some people handle it better than others. I don't use it anymore but last time I did was about 4-5 years back and only low dose as a PWO.
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Not advocating anything, but when I blast I’m ready. That means blood pressure meds on hand and everything. Most guys just ride the cycle as it is. Don’t be that guy… most importantly know when to back off.
 

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