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Weekly Topic - GH

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This thread is chock full of contradictions.
Fucking awesome isn't it?

That's the greatest part and also the hardest part of this lifestyle.

There's a handful of guys here who "know what they're doing" and there's a difference in what each and every one of them suggested.

To everyone who is just absolutely fucking lost.

Pick an approach, try it. See what happens.

Also, you don't HAVE to take GH every day. That's silly.
 
Fucking awesome isn't it?

That's the greatest part and also the hardest part of this lifestyle.

There's a handful of guys here who "know what they're doing" and there's a difference in what each and every one of them suggested.

To everyone who is just absolutely fucking lost.

Pick an approach, try it. See what happens.

Also, you don't HAVE to take GH every day. That's silly.
I just listen to the guy with the biggest neck😃
 
I stay on year round but will cycle my doses depending on the time of year, goals, etc.

I have seen 0 evidence of a need to fulllly come off. I know Scott Stevenson and others have talked about antibodie buildup in the body but at least from the benefit perspective, i have never seen GH to STOP WORKING. So i'll tell my guys to just play around with their dosing depending on what we are working toward.

As far as glucose issues, I dont see it in myself nor in my clients until we are pushing the dosage high. By high I mean above 7 or 8iu. If you are having glucose or A1c issues on lower doses, MOST LIKELY your diet is shit and you need to clean up the simple sugars. I've had clients look at GH as a bandaid to eat more shit...wrong. Doesnt work like that and you WILL have resistance issues. But if your diet is tight, you are training hard, under 8iu should be ok. I will throw in Berberine or metformin in certain cases too.

Personally, i can havent been lower than 10iu in almost 2 years and dont have A1c issues unless i'm just being an idiot with my diet.

GH is a tough one though. Lots of outdated information out there. Even on here, i see comments talking about how guys dosing MORE look worse. Other than the unique cases, that's just false. This is assuming diet and traiining is allll dialed in, the guy running 10iu's will look better than the 5iu. Fuller, roudner, leaner. Simple as that. If you think otherwise you dont know enough good physiques or these "guys you know running big doses" have shitty diets.

I'm also not a fan of having my guys run lantus. If you are having issues and are in need to lantus to control BG, we've made a mistake and we should reset everything by going into diet mode to get you insulin sensitive again.

I definitely notice a considerable difference when running 8- 10 IUs compared to 3-4.
 
Fucking awesome isn't it?

That's the greatest part and also the hardest part of this lifestyle.

There's a handful of guys here who "know what they're doing" and there's a difference in what each and every one of them suggested.

To everyone who is just absolutely fucking lost.

Pick an approach, try it. See what happens.

Also, you don't HAVE to take GH every day. That's silly.

I'm debating on doing a vial EOD or possibly just on training days during my summer cutting cycle. Just for something to play around with.

It can't hurt.
 
Perhaps acceptable for a Mr. Olympia. Assuming this is what Jay admitted to, I bet he rolled his eyes when he disclosed it...meaning even he now thinks that was insane.
My point was just that 8-10 is a moderately high dose. For the average AAS user, that is an absurd dose and completely unnecessary.

I believe that the high end currently is still substantially above that for open bodybuilding. Shit even some classic guys I know are running 16+.

I personally have never run above 12, and I don’t plan on going that high again. 6-8 seems to be my sweet spot.

With that said, I do believe for growth, the more gh the better, as long as you can afford it and tolerate it.
 
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A difference in feel (the benefits) or are we talking about glucose numbers?
I notice a difference in both as well.
A huge difference in the ability to use my hands is the most noticeable immediate difference lol.

But both. Glucose numbers get higher the higher the dose. Benefits in fullness, recovery, sleep etc. negatives are more water retention, lethargy, carpal tunnel, numbness, elbow and knee pain from fluid etc.
 
A huge difference in the ability to use my hands is the most noticeable immediate difference lol.

But both. Glucose numbers get higher the higher the dose. Benefits in fullness, recovery, sleep etc. negatives are more water retention, lethargy, carpal tunnel, numbness, elbow and knee pain from fluid etc.

10 IUs a day and I'm needing a nap lol.

Nailed the fluid retention negatives, lol. Luckily I don't deal with knee pain from it. But the hands and elbows you better believe it. Making a tight fist can be a chore.
 
10 IUs a day and I'm needing a nap lol.

Nailed the fluid retention negatives, lol. Luckily I don't deal with knee pain from it. But the hands and elbows you better believe it. Making a tight fist can be a chore.
Even at 6.5-7 a day, I was lethargic as fuck. Added t4 back in yesterday, and it absolutely resolved it.
 
A huge difference in the ability to use my hands is the most noticeable immediate difference lol.

But both. Glucose numbers get higher the higher the dose. Benefits in fullness, recovery, sleep etc. negatives are more water retention, lethargy, carpal tunnel, numbness, elbow and knee pain from fluid etc.
Shows you how individual the responses are to GH. I’ve never had carpal tunnel or lethargy from exo GH. Definitely notice water retention tho.

Craziest GH sides I’ve ever had was from MK 677. Traaash lol
 
I been using these compounds over 25 years off and on. I think HGH is a great hormone but as a very knowledgeable member already said you have to use it every day.

If your new to gear you would want to start with androgens for bodybuilding once you have your priorities in order.

1.Diet
2.Training
3.Hit your natural plateau.
4. Then androgens
5. HGH light dose under 6ius a day.
(6). Optional HGH high dose with 7IUS of very good quality HGH, Insulin and T-4.

When I say Insulin you better know what your doing and learn it from a competent advisor and get a 2nd opinion.

HGH is a great hormone especially in my opinion over 25 years old. Cause that’s when IGF-1 levels start to fall aggressively. If you’re smart get a cancer screen first and glucose levels.

Know what condition your body is in under the hood.

I take long acting insulin LANTUS because I’m pre diabetic and using HGH At a moderate dose. 1/2 a 6mg vial a day.

I use the long acting insulin to protect my pancreas from the extra load on it and T-4 to make sure my T-4 can convert enough to T-3.

I don’t like commenting on insulin because there are different reasons to use it.

But I just do it for the insulin resistance and the fact my A1c was 5.7. So I use it for harm reduction. I know of others that use it for other reasons as well and don't comment on it cause the other purpose I have a very elementary understanding of it and would not use it until I fully understood it.

But HGH I Take 2x day and feel great you get amazing sleep when you take it before bed.

Wake up feeling great just make sure you check your fasted glucose to see the additional work load and after meals.
So you recommend before bed and what other time
I can only speak for my self I take mine 12 hours apart.
Sl for someone taking 3 IU daily would you split or keep it all pre bed?
 
I'm debating on doing a vial EOD or possibly just on training days during my summer cutting cycle. Just for something to play around with.

It can't hurt.
After IGF is elevated from daily dosing, EOD works just fine if you average the dose out for the lost days.

Same with training, unless you only train 2-3 times a week. Then you probably should just not use GH
 
So you recommend before bed and what other time

Sl for someone taking 3 IU daily would you split or keep it all pre bed?
3ius personally I would just take in one shot. The time would depend on your age.

If your younger in your prime 18-30
Or based off your IGF-1 level range I would time it accordingly.

I’m 50 so my body doesn’t produce a big pulse so I take it before bed if I was taking it.

But if I was 25 I would try and take it in the morning.

The thing is some people get sleepy from it and some dont.

If you do then eventually that side effect goes away or you could take it 8 -10 hours before bed. This way it doesn’t kill your natural pulse.

So in my circumstance I’m an old fuck at 50. I take before bed cause it gives me great sleep. Then 12 hours later I take 2nd shot.

But it really comes down to age group and what your natural IGF-1 levels are.

So to really get the best awnser get a igf-1 blood test and there will be a range for your age group. See what your IGF-1 levels are in your age group range if your over 40 you can safely take it before bed.

Unless you have a genetic gift or curse.
If it’s a gift you may be in a better age range. If you’re natural igf-1 levels are extremely high you could have a pituitary tumor.

But it’s not common and you would know. Acromegaly would be very noticeable and your IGF-1 levels be in the 800s and hit the ceiling though there are body builders who take say a 1 or 2 6mg top quality HGH and hit the ceiling I think 850 I could be off a much more knowledge member I would ask.

But there’s a pub med study where they took a bunch of regular research participants and gave them high dose pharm grade HGH and after 5 or 7 days hit the celling on IGF-1 levels. So depending on the HGH you take and the vial strength which I use to only look at and it was a mistake cause I have a good friend that knows his HGH on a advanced level and I recently learned other important factors such as purity amount of IUS and Dim level. So you get a more complete picture.

Very smart guy. He knows his shit with HGH and androgens.

I recently learned that TREN can interact with IGF-1 levels in a way I never imagined was possible.

But talk to the advanced level guys that know there shit cause we are practicing a science and the medical profession most endocrinologist learn to just treat deficiency’s in medical school and they never learned in any medical school in the USA about taking compounds at higher doses for P.E.D. Use.

If your luck and can find a endocrinologist who does know how to do that and not cause you bad health issues within reason you found the 5-10 percent of very rare endocrinologists mostly from Eastern Europe countries but even there they are rare.

I’m talking about doctors like Lance Armstrongs doctor but I believe he lost his license but none the less was one of the best experts in the rare field.

But my advice to everyone is do blood work learn to read blood work like hematologists do. There are books and other sources to read to learn it so you learn to paint a picture with the markers and also track your vitals.

Blood pressure very important to keep in a healthy range you go to high on a chronic amount of time you will fuck up your kidneys.

Cholesterol levels you have to keep your heart healthy cause if it gets damaged it stays damaged to a certain degree.

Run a calcium index score. If you been on a very long time consider a CT scan with contrast obviously see a cardiologist and manage your blood pressure. If you are going to take blood pressure pills see a doctor don't fuck with them your self.

It’s one thing to crash your estrogen you will recover but crashing your blood pressure you die.

Same thing with insulin you fuck up you can knock your glucose down to far and have severe consequences.

I believe the best glucose number fasted is 80-90 and though out the day 90-110 even 115.

But you need to know how to be safe. Harm reduction comes first.

To be honest I hate getting blood tests cause they during blasts come back not the greatest and then you have to manage what ever is fucked up.

During Cruise blood work should look good. Personally for the next 12 weeks I’m on cruise. Just Test and MASTRON.
Also HGH but I’m dealing with a injury and don’t want to get surgery and saw some really good clinical tests of useing HGH to bump up IGF-1 levels and the group didn’t need surgery I believe it was a 2nd degree rupture.

Then I’m going down from 3MG a day to 1.5mg a day which would be one shot before bed.

Also have a cancer screening. Cause they haven’t done any good research on HGH and would cell proliferation cause cancer cells to grow faster.

Oncologists say cancer has it’s on growth factors and isnt effected by HGH Cell proliferation.

The endocrinologists say cell proliferation will increase cancer growth if you have it.

HGH doesn’t cause cancer but if you have it then I would not use it.

If your cancer scan is clean then HGH you can take.

But I leave you with this and it applies to more then just body building in life.

It’s a quote that’s really is true.

“To get something you have to give something, nothing is free”

To me I like to know what I’m going to receive for what I’m getting.

But bro definitely talk to smarter guys than me. We have some of the most knowledge members that could be endocrinologists with P.E D. Use and slot of them are nice guys that will help you and you can always ask another member to confirm with your concern.

This is a great Forum. There are some fights here and there but at the end of the day even members I personally don’t care for I wish them good health and good results.

Some times I’m guilty of arguing. But at the end of the day I want to see members in good health and get the results they work hard for.

Just my 2cents.
 
Pre bed in one bolus.
It does give you the best sleep bro.
I wake up and feel great I just split cause of my dose but ideally I agree with you.

I’m 50 makes me feel better then when I was 14 waking up.

How much you take before bed and if you don’t want to awnser this I understand but I think after 1.5mg the liver cant convert any more IGF 1 at a certain point which varies person to person.
 
Shows you how individual the responses are to GH. I’ve never had carpal tunnel or lethargy from exo GH. Definitely notice water retention tho.

Craziest GH sides I’ve ever had was from MK 677. Traaash lol
I have a buddy say the same thing.
SYNTHETIC HGH is the way to go.

Instead of fucking with MK-677.
I have heard mixed results with CJC1295 DAC.

People take in addition to HGH BUTme personally would just use more HGH.
 
Learning a lot from this thread I'm fascinated by HGH but am a noob indeed only just finishing my first run with a 10 pack last month. Grabbing some more any day now. I appreciate so many of you and ASF really more than any forums on this stuff out there really good stuff fellas. 💪
 
It does give you the best sleep bro.
I wake up and feel great I just split cause of my dose but ideally I agree with you.

I’m 50 makes me feel better then when I was 14 waking up.

How much you take before bed and if you don’t want to awnser this I understand but I think after 1.5mg the liver cant convert any more IGF 1 at a certain point which varies person to person.
Currently running 6iu about 1/4 into my off-season growth phase. That will probably peak out at 8iu or so and will all be dosed pre bed.

Clinical trials as high as 18iu/day in sick children dosed 1x/per were similar in effects to multiple times/day. Even huge doses every other day were seen to be comparable. I have seen this over the years with my clients and on myself. Whether you inject 1x, 2x, 3x per day or ED, EOD is pretty much insignificant across the board. It's one of those things that until more data is available, it's better to just get it in. It's effect on glucose levels may vary on frequency, but 100% user dependent.
 
So, I’m going to face the chance of ridicule here and ask everyone’s opinion on a few things that I chased down a rabbit hole. But I think it’s worth some discussion, or at the very least, furthering MY knowledge on the topic.

Fat-Loss vs. Hyperplasia/hyperteophy
  • is there a significant difference between administering the GH sub-q (systemic IGF-1 release from liver), and administering the GH I.M., targeted at specific muscles where localized IGF-1 expression takes place?
  • Or might the difference between local/systemic be negated by taking 6iu’s at night, which then by 8am, the max amount of benefit (1.5ius) would be present anyway (based on half-life)?
-Now, I don’t run anywhere near that dosage, as I hold water at 4iu’s, but if I am aiming for muscle growth instead of fat-loss or anti-aging as my primary result, does mode of administration make that big of a difference?

There is much more I could add and/or ask regarding this rabbit hole (estrogen beta receptor function, E2 levels commensurate with GH conversion, etc), but I honestly don’t know enough about it to properly articulate the questions and will most likely sound worse than I already do.

Thanks fellas
 
Hey - first post and thanks to whoever started this thread. Great info. Started GH and 30 days in. Taking minimal recommended by dosage 3IU before bed.

RHR was usually in the 55-58 range prior and now 62-68 range at night. I take it this is normal? Anything else I should watch? Feeling really no sides after 30 days, just about 2% BF Drop!
You only have so many beats in a lifetime. So, you are aging 17% faster right now.


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