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Test, Decca, Mast.

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Hi everyone, Just after some advice. I've done loads of research for the past 6 months and I'm getting very mixed answers depending where I look. I understand that everyone's body reacts differently and the only true way is to try yourself and log information and adjust accordingly. However I'm just after one last dose of information or experience before I bite the bullet.

My history

First started training naturally at 67kg 170cm
Trained years and reached 74kg skip a few years with on/off training then starting training hard again for about 8 months at 70kg and reached 75kg then...

My first cycle was 10 weeks on Test E, 500mg a week, I train extremely hard (Probably over training to be honest) I was training a bro split, 5-4 sets of 6 - 7 exercises per body part. Here I went to 84kg in 10 weeks. (Doctor was happy with my bloods) Test was 63, Free test was 2500

Cruised for 6 months (Probably should of PCT I know)

Second cycle Test E for 12 weeks 1000mg with 50mg anavar same training as previously I went 84kg to 89kg. No side effects just some back acne (which I kinda have from working in the mines and always sweating anyway) but was noticeably worse

I then went overseas unexpectedly for work and couldn't PCT 😬. However I felt fine the whole time, No depression, Wasn't Lethargic, Erections and Libido was always high I really didn't notice any change which I thought was odd?? So haven't been on anything for 8 weeks now

Anyway that brings me to now, My third cycle and want I want some advice on. I want to add some serious mass and was thinking Test 400 - 500, Decca 300-400 mast 600?? With Aromosin on hand.

Would NPP be better to do then decca due to its shorter Esther trying a 19nor out for the first time? Or do you think just run low decca and adjust up?

Any and all criticism/advice welcome

Thanks
 
How did your Estrogen do on both cycles...
Did you do Bloodwork Before, During and After..??

You didn't F around on cycle 2..
A great of Test...
Z...
 
zionoir626 said:
How did your Estrogen do on both cycles...
Did you do Bloodwork Before, During and After..??

You didn't F around on cycle 2..
A great of Test...
Z...
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Oestradiol was 216, So high, but I didn't have sensitive nipples or gyno

I was new to it at the time and a little uninformed so unfortunately I didn't get bloodwork before.

Cycle two was 750 test, I was at work and miscalculated as simple as that math was, I was doing 1.5 mill 2 x a week of test E 250
 
Dean said:
Oestradiol was 216, So high, but I didn't have sensitive nipples or gyno

I was new to it at the time and a little uninformed so unfortunately I didn't get bloodwork before.

Cycle two was 750 test, I was at work and miscalculated as simple as that math was, I was doing 1.5 mill 2 x a week of test E 250
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You need to understand the importance in bloodwork..
Bloodwork and Controlling Estrogen go hand in hand..
Z...
 
zionoir626 said:
You need to understand the importance in bloodwork..
Bloodwork and Controlling Estrogen go hand in hand..
Z...
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I understand that now, As I said I was a little uninformed during the beginning. I will be on top of my Bloodwork this time around. Going to get bloods done next week before I start cycle
 
Time on should equal time off, take another 8 weeks off and then think about a 3rd cycle, also you are completely fkg with your system yo-yo'ing the way you are... No pct, cruise for 6 months after first cycle... All a mess....

You don't seem completely clueless and you made mistakes, which I'm sure you are going to pay for.

What's your age by the way? These mistakes seem like some that a teenager of today would make...

Go get bloodwork done to see where you at, with lipids, liver, kidney function, CBC, as well as test, estrogen, etc.... Then consider a third cycle based off those results...

Lastly, what are your plans for this 3rd cycle? To pct and play with your system again or cruise for the rest of your time?

Goodluck, for the future cycles/or the last... (If u decide to blast and cruise)...
 
I'm 33, i plan on blasting and cruising. That was my plan all along as I mentioned I had to leave the country for work unexpectedly and didn't want to take gear abroad otherwise I would still be cruising. I didn't have much choice at the time.

I will get my bloods done and go from there.

I appreciate your input
 
Deezo said:
Time on should equal time off, take another 8 weeks off and then think about a 3rd cycle, also you are completely fkg with your system yo-yo'ing the way you are... No pct, cruise for 6 months after first cycle... All a mess....

You don't seem completely clueless and you made mistakes, which I'm sure you are going to pay for.

What's your age by the way? These mistakes seem like some that a teenager of today would make...

Go get bloodwork done to see where you at, with lipids, liver, kidney function, CBC, as well as test, estrogen, etc.... Then consider a third cycle based off those results...

Lastly, what are your plans for this 3rd cycle? To pct and play with your system again or cruise for the rest of your time?

Goodluck, for the future cycles/or the last... (If u decide to blast and cruise)...
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If you wish to answer, Given that the doc says my bloodwork is all good.

Could you give your input on Test E, Decca, Mast cycle?
 
Dean said:
If you wish to answer, Given that the doc says my bloodwork is all good.

Could you give your input on Test E, Decca, Mast cycle?
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No experience with either of those compounds, hence I didn't answer that question.

But other members will 💯% help you out.

Goodluck bud. 💪
 
Just My Opinion,

Brother if you did not put on some serious mass with 1000mg of test for 12 weeks you are not going to put it on with anything else.

If you must again I would go with 500mg of Sust per week and NPP instead of the Deca.

Need to evaluate your eating.
 
750mg** he did gain 5kgs off that cycle

For those that can't calculate that that their country made its 11lbs 💯👌
 
Wiseguy said:
Just My Opinion,

Brother if you did not put on some serious mass with 1000mg of test for 12 weeks you are not going to put it on with anything else.

If you must again I would go with 500mg of Sust per week and NPP instead of the Deca.

Need to evaluate your eating.
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I put on 40lbs in less then a year 🙂
 
It's unpopular now but cycling on and off is more healthy than blast and cruise. B/C always ends up escalating doses on both legs and eventually leads to issues. Guys, gym rats etc that used AAS in the 70s and 80s came off between cycles even if on Professional muscle they say no they didn't. Most o those guys are alive today without major issues and had multiple kids. at 33 this is a crucial point for you to decide. If you wend off for 10 weeks and you feel OK you are a good candidate for cycling on and off in my opinion. but your numbers in the original post test at less than 10 and free test at 2500 seems wrong. Repost your actual numbers would be good to know.
 
Glycomann said:
It's unpopular now but cycling on and off is more healthy than blast and cruise. B/C always ends up escalating doses on both legs and eventually leads to issues. Guys, gym rats etc that used AAS in the 70s and 80s came off between cycles even if on Professional muscle they say no they didn't. Most o those guys are alive today without major issues and had multiple kids. at 33 this is a crucial point for you to decide. If you wend off for 10 weeks and you feel OK you are a good candidate for cycling on and off in my opinion. but your numbers in the original post test at less than 10 and free test at 2500 seems wrong. Repost your actual numbers would be good to know.
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It's unpopular now but cycling on and off is more healthy than blast and cruise. B/C always ends up escalating doses on both legs and eventually leads to issues. Guys, gym rats etc that used AAS in the 70s and 80s came off between cycles even if on Professional muscle they say no they didn't. Most o those guys are alive today without major issues and had multiple kids. at 33 this is a crucial point for you to decide. If you wend off for 10 weeks and you feel OK you are a good candidate for cycling on and off in my opinion. but your numbers in the original post test at less than 10 and free test at 2500 seems wrong. Repost your actual numbers would be good to know.
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I agree and disagree as it depends on what your cruise level is. If you blast and cruise at REAL trt dosages for extensive periods (putting you in the 500-800 test level area) that is actually better than coming all off as it stabilizes bloodwork without huge crashes or swings, which is unhealthy for the body. I've seen that in blood work specifically. Now I agree with you that coming off is MUCH better than cruising at superhuman test level dosages which really isn't a cruise. This is what most people do and is careless, reckless and leads to issues like you mentioned. Just my opinion.
 
I don’t like to mix dry and wet compounds, if you must swap Deca for Npp and run the cycle. Log it too, would be interesting to follow. You planning on blasting and crusing from now on?
 
Astro95 said:
I don’t like to mix dry and wet compounds, if you must swap Deca for Npp and run the cycle. Log it too, would be interesting to follow. You planning on blasting and crusing from now on?
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I'll be shipping out free reading glasses to a few members, pm me address's please...
 

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Right, Everyone responds differently, it's a full time job babysitting 👶🍼
 
zionoir626 said:
How did your Estrogen do on both cycles...
Did you do Bloodwork Before, During and After..??

You didn't F around on cycle 2..
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No shit about that 2nd cycle. Holy cow man. It’s great that your body handled it but I wouldn’t think to make such a huge jump.
 
I'd suggest NPP instead of deca for the very reason you mentioned OP. Your first experience with a 19-nor. You need to dial the mast in essentially based on your estrogen. A lot of guys can run Mast higher than test, mos guys can run Mast and test at a 1:1 ratio and finally, some guys need more test than Mast in order to not have low estrogen symptoms. Now adding npp or even deca in there is going to make you convert to more estrogen. Nandrolone (npp/deca) actually only converts at around 20% the rate of testosterone BUT it unregulates aromatase expression which means Nandrolone makes your testosterone convert to more estrogen so with the addition of Nandrolone you should be able to run your Masteron higher than you would with just test/Mast. All that depends on how much you convert. Based on your blood test I'd say you are an average or high average converter.

So test, Mast and npp is my vote.

Some guys get negative mental sides from npp and deca among other things so with using npp you can get it out of your system much quicker if you run into problems. Which based on your OP you fully understand that.

With all that being said about npp you most certainly could go the deca route and just keep the dose low at say 300mg. Npp is just my personal preference. Deca is nice though bc u don't have to pin as often and as much oil volume.

Props to you on your progress and overall knowledge to this point. You've did what many fail to do. You've read and researched. :)
 
Meetketchup said:
I agree and disagree as it depends on what your cruise level is. If you blast and cruise at REAL trt dosages for extensive periods (putting you in the 500-800 test level area) that is actually better than coming all off as it stabilizes bloodwork without huge crashes or swings, which is unhealthy for the body. I've seen that in blood work specifically. Now I agree with you that coming off is MUCH better than cruising at superhuman test level dosages which really isn't a cruise. This is what most people do and is careless, reckless and leads to issues like you mentioned. Just my opinion.
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Then I hope you have kids or you should have them now before you blast and cruise yourself to low low sperm count. Or don't and deal with the consequences and may arise. I very much doubt coming of with or without PCT is more dangerous than blast and cruise. You would have to show me some evidence. The reality is today's juicers are afraid to lose 8 lbs of steroid pump or look a little soft between cycles.
 
Glycomann said:
It's unpopular now but cycling on and off is more healthy than blast and cruise. B/C always ends up escalating doses on both legs and eventually leads to issues.
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I didn't make a claim, you did. You're the one needing to provide evidence. :) I'm just busting your balls.

I respect your opinion. Oh and I didn't have any trouble in the kid aspect despite my cruising.

I agree that's why juicers don't want to come off btw.
 

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