Supps for eleviating f'd up thoughts?

[UserNameGoesHere]

I've never had issues with gear until I ran Tren. I noticed while on it, same story as most, paranoia, my wife is cheating etc., etc. This got worse after each tren cycle so I stopped. However, the fucked-up thoughts and shit have remained. So badly now that I can't even drink because I turn into someone else and the shit I think about, especially of my wife is unacceptable.

I've done some online research and do see that AAS can do some damage to the neurotransmitters in the brain. I was on Deca for 9 weeks but had absolutely no gains, not even water weight and was horny all day every day. I won't name the lab here, but I am assuming it's not legit even though their tren was on point. I decided to switch to some NPP I had lying around from a different UGL and have been on that for 2 weeks and I am noticing it.

My issue now is, I haven't drank anything in 23 days but I'm having the most fucked up thought life. Shit that has never bothered me in the 11 years I've been married are now a major issue. Things from 12/13 years ago!!

Has anyone found any natural supplements to help with brain chemistry? There are so many out there, but I would rather ask first before I waste my money.

Thanks in advance!!

 

[REHH]

Try alcar, pregnenolone, and sam e

 

[Milford King]

This might help.....mostly placebo but it feels pro-active..lol

 

[CSOReaper]

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This might help.....mostly placebo but it feels pro-active..lol

Mucuna Pruriens is a good product, as Milford listed. I bought a kilo bag from Amazon and cap it.

Honestly, it sounds like you have some underlying mental issues and AAS just exacerbated it. I would suggest laying off any use until you get your life in order. Not worth losing your wife over.

 

[UserNameGoesHere]

Mucuna Pruriens is a good product, as Milford listed. I bought a kilo bag from Amazon and cap it.

Honestly, it sounds like you have some underlying mental issues and AAS just exacerbated it. I would suggest laying off any use until you get your life in order. Not worth losing your wife over.

Thanks man. Not really what I want to hear but yeah, I'm open to it. I've been fine until the tren and not sure if the npp I'm running now is also messing with me. I've been the same even before I started.

I'll put it down until I get my head straight. My wife is a godsend and I'd be a dipshit of I ruined that.

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[Vision]

This is why I no longer use Trenbolone is because of the head issues..my thought process during the day could be somewhat normal but come nighttime it's a different story.. when the lights are out and the family is sleeping it's just me and my thoughts laying there.. it can be rather uncomfortable and sayings just sporadically pop up in my head.. if I'm lucky I'll occasionally doze off only to be awoken by another thought process..

Like our brother Milford mentioned , 5-HTP can work great but I would only incorporate this while on drugs that are known to increase dopamine levels.. because it's known to be a dopamine agonist, and it could actually block The receptors and the production of dopamine in normal individuals.. there needs to be a balance between dopamine and serotonin in order to have a healthy cognitive thought process.. once these levels are altered symptoms of anxiety, stress and excessive thoughts can be greatly enhanced..

I have taken into great consideration in the future attempting to run some moderate dose of Trenbolone with s SNRI.. these drugs are known to help keep a balance between dopamine and serotonin without affecting each other's output independently.. it came recommended from a very very seasoned vet that I know personally that said very low dosage of these medications can work wonders with Trenbolone... I have no data to support this it's all theory..

 

[Milford King]

Get bloodwork bro.... test might be low , estrogen might be high... you don’t know unless you get bloodwork. I’d stay away from anti depressants and get a hormone panel done first then maybe try counseling. A lot of dudes are too ‘tough’to consider it but if your head is haunted it will be worth the effort.

way better than losing your shit and hurting someone or yourself.

Google online hormone blood work ...
good luck

 

[UserNameGoesHere]

Just had labs done and I'm g2g. Test was 1135, estradiol was 19. GH 6.6 and igf-1 255.

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[REHH]

Just had labs done and I'm g2g. Test was 1135, estradiol was 19. GH 6.6 and igf-1 255.

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How many times have you run Tren before? The first time I ever ran Tren is when it affected me the most mentally since then the mental aspect has not been near as bad as the other side effects. The last few times I ran Tren it was at just 200 mg a week, after about 10 weeks the gastrointestinal side effects were unbearable all the other side effects or very tolerable.

 

[roscoe221]

How many times have you run Tren before? The first time I ever ran Tren is when it affected me the most mentally since then the mental aspect has not been near as bad as the other side effects. The last few times I ran Tren it was at just 200 mg a week, after about 10 weeks the gastrointestinal side effects were unbearable all the other side effects or very tolerable.

Could you shoot me a pm sometime if you get a chance please? I tried sending one but I cant tell on my phone whether it worked right or not. Just a quick question about gear with some hair n other nice things in it.

 

[Bigtoe]

Could you shoot me a pm sometime if you get a chance please? I tried sending one but I cant tell on my phone whether it worked right or not. Just a quick question about gear with some hair n other nice things in it.

Hair??? WTF do not pin that shit. If its from a sponsor on here get with a rep and tell them the problem.

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[CSOReaper]

Hair??? WTF do not pin that shit. If its from a sponsor on here get with a rep and tell them yhe problem.

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Couldn't agree more. Mercy.....

Username goes here,

It's easy to just stop and figure everything out then you can give it another go later when you know what to expect.

Hormones are strange, when I first started test only I thought about some of the same stuff. I have never tried Tren and probably don't need too.

Hang in there buddy.

 

[UserNameGoesHere]

This is why I no longer use Trenbolone is because of the head issues..my thought process during the day could be somewhat normal but come nighttime it's a different story.. when the lights are out and the family is sleeping it's just me and my thoughts laying there.. it can be rather uncomfortable and sayings just sporadically pop up in my head.. if I'm lucky I'll occasionally doze off only to be awoken by another thought process..

Like our brother Milford mentioned , 5-HTP can work great but I would only incorporate this while on drugs that are known to increase dopamine levels.. because it's known to be a dopamine agonist, and it could actually block The receptors and the production of dopamine in normal individuals.. there needs to be a balance between dopamine and serotonin in order to have a healthy cognitive thought process.. once these levels are altered symptoms of anxiety, stress and excessive thoughts can be greatly enhanced..

I have taken into great consideration in the future attempting to run some moderate dose of Trenbolone with s SNRI.. these drugs are known to help keep a balance between dopamine and serotonin without affecting each other's output independently.. it came recommended from a very very seasoned vet that I know personally that said very low dosage of these medications can work wonders with Trenbolone... I have no data to support this it's all theory..

Thanks Vision. I will also check out SNRI but I do see they are scripts.

How many times have you run Tren before? The first time I ever ran Tren is when it affected me the most mentally since then the mental aspect has not been near as bad as the other side effects. The last few times I ran Tren it was at just 200 mg a week, after about 10 weeks the gastrointestinal side effects were unbearable all the other side effects or very tolerable.

I've done 2.5 runs. Had to kill the 3rd one because I just got FUCKED UP in the head. Didn't help that I was still drinking liquor a couple times a month. I haven't been the same since but able to control my thoughts when sober. I haven't had a drink in 24 days and my body is detoxing which probably isn't helping my mental state. I've lost 8 lbs of water/fat from the holidays and overall I feel great!

Couldn't agree more. Mercy.....

Username goes here,

It's easy to just stop and figure everything out then you can give it another go later when you know what to expect.

Hormones are strange, when I first started test only I thought about some of the same stuff. I have never tried Tren and probably don't need too.

Hang in there buddy.

Thanks Reaper! I'm committed another 2 weeks of NPP and will put the shit down. I don't believe the nandrolone is causing me issues and it's more of something I've been dealing with for over a year now. I was acting a fool when not running anything.

 

[XOTG85]

Wow this is similar to me minus the drinking. I think I’m suffering from low dopamine from Pramiepxole usage. I’ve been off prami for a few months now and I have been having trouble with libido even on high doses of test and other dht compounds. My body composition is changing but my mind and dick are still behind lol. I’m thinking about getting back on prami but fuck I don’t want to have to depend on another compound forever to feel good.

 

[CBRhino]

I have a routine that I hit up when the crazy in my head shows up. I watch comedy specials that aren't toxic. Adam Sandler, Sebastian Maniscalco, Jim Gaffigan, maybe some Joe Rogan. Best release of dopamine and endorphins you can get for free. Comedy clubs are good too if you live in an area that has them. Liver cleanse with Choline/Inositol 500mg each & L-Methionine 500mg. That's 1500mg a day of a liver cleanse, that really works, and do that for a month then revisit. Detox brother, rest your body, and laugh.

 

[UserNameGoesHere]

Wow this is similar to me minus the drinking. I think I’m suffering from low dopamine from Pramiepxole usage. I’ve been off prami for a few months now and I have been having trouble with libido even on high doses of test and other dht compounds. My body composition is changing but my mind and dick are still behind lol. I’m thinking about getting back on prami but fuck I don’t want to have to depend on another compound forever to feel good.

Yikes!

I'm ordering the following to help with dopamine and serotonin.

N-acetyl tyrosine
Acetyl L-carnitine
Mucuna Pruriens

Also taking b6, 5-htp and possibly sam-e

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[XOTG85]

Hopefully it helps keep us posted.

 

[HPM3TAL]

How many times have you run Tren before? The first time I ever ran Tren is when it affected me the most mentally since then the mental aspect has not been near as bad as the other side effects. The last few times I ran Tren it was at just 200 mg a week, after about 10 weeks the gastrointestinal side effects were unbearable all the other side effects or very tolerable.

That's what I've been experiencing the most, gastro issues. Daily dosing of tren ace has limited sleep issues and even night sweats. Seems masteron helps with the sides also. After 4 weeks though the gastro sides are too much.

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[Vision]

That's what I've been experiencing the most, gastro issues. Daily dosing of tren ace has limited sleep issues and even night sweats. Seems masteron helps with the sides also. After 4 weeks though the gastro sides are too much.

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The acid reflux is one of the main reasons I bail.. I can't tolerate the alien acid vomit bile crap..

 

[HPM3TAL]

The acid reflux is one of the main reasons I bail.. I can't tolerate the alien acid vomit bile crap..

My first tren run, only 3 weeks to test the waters, gave me pretty bad acid reflux. This time, 2nd run, zero acid reflux. But, appetite is gone, gas, bloating, and sulfur burps. Took about 3-4 weeks for these sides to develop.

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[Vision]

My first tren run, only 3 weeks to test the waters, gave me pretty bad acid reflux. This time, 2nd run, zero acid reflux. But, appetite is gone, gas, bloating, and sulfur burps. Took about 3-4 weeks for these sides to develop.

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That's about me around two-and-a-half 3 weeks, and it doesn't take long for me to reconsider my actions.. many moons ago I was almost impervious, now I feel like a broken-down Chippendale LOL

 

[CSOReaper]

Tren sounds like wonderful stuff, lol.

That would have to add muscle overnight for me to go through all that.

 

[Intense]

I take L-Tyrosine, CDP, and ALCAR everyday but would definitely take it on tren. I mostly use it for coming down from Adderall and so it doesn’t fuck my brain up as much.


Other things I take with tren are

omega 3s
masteron
klonopin (not reccomended, I take it everyday anyway but on tren I take it at night never more than 1mg)
ashwaganda
5-htp
melatonin


Boosting serotonin and gaba will probably help the most, I take the tyrosine and cdp(dopamine supplements) mostly because I take Adderall whenever I run tren also.




With all that being said. I don’t run tren anymore. Test and masteron with an a bomb here and there do the trick.

 

[UserNameGoesHere]

Tren sounds like wonderful stuff, lol.

That would have to add muscle overnight for me to go through all that.

I saw changes daily after about week 4 or 5. It was life changing for me. I was 40 and fat, got on trt and then was introduced to the AAS world.

I would run it again if I could manage my head. I have 3 bottles of a stack with tren ace, mast and test prop just sitting there calling me.



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[ROID]

Tren brought about traits i was already genetically predisposed to have. Anxiety, depression, fucking bi polar whack job

maybe i never would have experienced any of these things if didn’t use Tren or maybe it would have came about later in life. Who knows..

Regardless, i just say I’m spiritual now and vibrating on a higher level than you meat headed Neanderthals.

NPP is worse than trenbolone for me.

 

[UserNameGoesHere]

I take L-Tyrosine, CDP, and ALCAR everyday but would definitely take it on tren. I mostly use it for coming down from Adderall and so it doesn’t fuck my brain up as much.

Other things I take with tren are

omega 3s
masteron
klonopin (not reccomended, I take it everyday anyway but on tren I take it at night never more than 1mg)
ashwaganda
5-htp
melatonin

Boosting serotonin and gaba will probably help the most, I take the tyrosine and cdp(dopamine supplements) mostly because I take Adderall whenever I run tren also.

With all that being said. I don’t run tren anymore. Test and masteron with an a bomb here and there do the trick.

Is that CDP-Choline? I'd love to run mast but I need to get lower on my BF so I don't waste it.

Tren brought about traits i was already genetically predisposed to have. Anxiety, depression, fucking bi polar whack job

maybe i never would have experienced any of these things if didn’t use Tren or maybe it would have came about later in life. Who knows..

Regardless, i just say I’m spiritual now and vibrating on a higher level than you meat headed Neanderthals.

NPP is worse than trenbolone for me.

LOL... I feel I've lost my spirituality lately. How does NPP affect you worse than tren? Curious because I'm on NPP now and not sure if it's causing any issues. I've been the same in my head for the past year even without NPP.

 

[hj2]

wants to run tren,

needs 15 other chemicals to help with sides...................


maybe stop trying to take tren? cause you cant handle it..........

 

[GarlicChicken]

The acid reflux is one of the main reasons I bail.. I can't tolerate the alien acid vomit bile crap..

I hate the reflux that comes with it. It's terrible. Seems like mine isn't so bad as long as I don't go over about 400mg weekly.

 

[GarlicChicken]

To the op,

Nandrolone messes with some people just as bad or worse than tren. That could be the issue.

The other thing I'd say is that tren can require a modicum of control over your thoughts to keep yourself from acting like an idiot. I think it can be conquered but it takes a lot of mental discipline to do so. Firstly to harness your thoughts before they come out of your mouth, and then to learn to stop and think rationally/logically about things instead of allowing them to fester into an emotional shitpile. Maybe that's not possible for everyone, but it certainly was the case for myself and some other people I know. My first tren run was a shit show until I realized I was acting like an idiot, then I wrangled myself in and I've been fine since. It took me running someone off the road and pulling them out of their car by their hair in full view of the public for me to understand. Learned a valuable lesson that day, and tren has never been able to mess with me since.

 

[UserNameGoesHere]

To the op,

Nandrolone messes with some people just as bad or worse than tren. That could be the issue.

The other thing I'd say is that tren can require a modicum of control over your thoughts to keep yourself from acting like an idiot. I think it can be conquered but it takes a lot of mental discipline to do so. Firstly to harness your thoughts before they come out of your mouth, and then to learn to stop and think rationally/logically about things instead of allowing them to fester into an emotional shitpile. Maybe that's not possible for everyone, but it certainly was the case for myself and some other people I know. My first tren run was a shit show until I realized I was acting like an idiot, then I wrangled myself in and I've been fine since. It took me running someone off the road and pulling them out of their car by their hair in full view of the public for me to understand. Learned a valuable lesson that day, and tren has never been able to mess with me since.

Good point and one I've been actually able to maintain as long as I don't drink liquor. Thing is, I haven't had a drink in 25 days now and plan to continue one day at a time. I am right as rain until it comes to thoughts about my wife and I've been able to "cast those thoughts down" and replace them with truth. She loves me, she would never hurt me etc.

I've noticed my BP has been elevated and I just gave blood December 20th. I know that's not helping either