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Reconstituting GH

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Simple question ... should be able to answer this after all the reading one should do before undertaking something like gh....but since a few of you guys really seem to know your shit when it comes to gh...hard to find on other boards sometime...I'll ask anyway.

Because gh is so ",touchy" how do you handle pressure within the vial when adding water? With hcg I've always inserted a slin pin with no back while injecting water to reconstitute to even out the pressure. Probably not the most sterile method but it works. Should I do the same when adding water to the 10iu vial of gh? Is there a method that's better for the hormone as to not expose it to open air? Or am I thinking to hard - just add the water and pin?

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I draw 3cc of air into a syringe and use it to depressurize the vial. Then wipe tops again and draw up the bac water and slowly shoot it into the side of the rubber vial seal
So your adding the entire 3cc of air into each vial of gh? Wouldnt equal volume of air to bac water be more appropriate? Not arguing with ya GC - just trying to understand.

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I have done it both ways, adding air first then BAC and also just adding BAC. A few kits have been different when adding air first. Some have worked beautifully and some not. When I pull the slin out some GH squirts out. It made the draw up faster but not worth risking the pricy little shits. Now I load the amount of IU per vial (let’s say 10iu). Draw up 1cc and slowly drip down the side like Max mentioned. I’ll let it sit and dissolve on its own if I don’t need it right away.
 
I have done it both ways, adding air first then BAC and also just adding BAC. A few kits have been different when adding air first. Some have worked beautifully and some not. When I pull the slin out some GH squirts out. It made the draw up faster but not worth risking the pricy little shits. Now I load the amount of IU per vial (let’s say 10iu). Draw up 1cc and slowly drip down the side like Max mentioned. I’ll let it sit and dissolve on its own if I don’t need it right away.
Sounds easy enough - appreciate the help. Seems like storage and reconstituting is where most gh gets messed up - sounds like a good way to mix without worrying about causing harm at all....

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I depressurize after I add the bac water. 1cc of bac water, once in, swirled, settled, I'll go back and remove the 1cc of air. For a longtime I never did this. Truly do not think it matters, just a habit I picked up when I got bigger vials from a friend who worked in aids research.

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So your adding the entire 3cc of air into each vial of gh? Wouldnt equal volume of air to bac water be more appropriate? Not arguing with ya GC - just trying to understand.

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It actually sucks the whole 3cc of air in by itself (Puretropins and Meditrope blacks) without any pressure on the plunger. I prefer completely depressurizing the vial so it doesn't suck the bac water in at high pressure and squirt the puck by accident. I've tried holding the plunger back but it never seems to work right.

I also reconstitute my GH with 2cc per 10iu...which most don't do. Makes me feel like there's less waste that way lol.
 
This also depends on whether the vials are vacuum sealed or not. I do this for strong vaccum sealed vials. For non-pressurized vials I just add in the back water and draw out a little more air than I put in so none of the shit squirts out
 
Here's instruction I put up on how to mix our EP brand, same concept but just disregard the product name:

Introduction:
Mixing Eurotropin

In order to assure greater quality and product efficiency, EP would like to point out some crucial principals in regards with reconstituting Euro-Pharmacies "Eurotropin HGH"
If by chance you are reading this you might already have interests in Euro-Pharmacies "Eurotropin HGH", or your seeking information with how to reconstitute EP's HGH and you are about to begin the process..Stop!

Please read here as EP would like to assure greater quality with its products,so you can achieve greater success and reap your just rewards though the positive benefits of Euro-Tropin HGH,by utilizing the preferred method suggested

Whether your a seasoned Vet or just doing research, it's crucial that you know about HGH and the several typed of water utilized for reconstitution of the hormone..
Let's start with the standard by naming a few shall we?

The first one comes to mind with notoriety would be Bacteriostatic water (0.9% sodium chloride), this is most commonly used aside from Plain sterile water (we will cover that in a moment)..Its one of the most favored methods, and recommend principles to achieve greater stability due to pH levels in the Bac, and the slight preservative properties of the sodium chloride..Euro-pharmacies supplies a 1mL ampule of Bacteriostatic water (0.9% sodium chloride) due to the friendly nature it possess with easily degradable compounds such as peptides/proteins/aa's, as it is slightly acidic pH value of 5.5 for optimal protein and peptide stability, this eliminates the need to use acetic acid solutions,which often causes inconvenience handling peptides.. This diluent allows multiple-use..Highly suggested for all peptide use..Degradation is not a factor or a concern, making this a peptide friendly diluent

Plain sterile water is next in line as a recognized and common practice for reconstitution of peptides, as it can be easily purchased in some regions, and/or simple to manufacture under the appropriate conditions with some know-how..Unfortunately enough, this method fails to yield the advantage of providing a shelf life for peptides..Sterile water should only be considered when a single use is desired such as 10mL within 24hrs due to the fact that it does not posses any agents to mitigate bacterial growth,because it fails to provide any antimicrobial properties, this should be utilized for singular-usage (within 24hrs if peptide has been stored in 36-46 degrees Fahrenheit or 2-6 degrees centigrade)

Bacteriostic water (0.9% benzyl alcohol 9mg/mL)
is one of the most controversial diluents out there,many swear by it advocating its properties to extended shelf life because of its clinical/treatment preservative properties..Unbeknownst to many, this is quite possibly the worst agent to consider when reconstituting peptides, because it can create an unstable environment within the protein molecules.. Because of the antimicrobial preservatives in Benzyl Alcohol it accelerates the aggregation of protein molecules..By introducing Ba with it's increasing antimicrobial preservative levels it increases the hydrophobicity of a formulation by effecting the proteins aqueous solubility,considerably destabilization of the proteins (degradation of the aa's)..Because of the physical and chemical manipulation during the reconstitution/storage process as this can happen during every step, formulation aggregation of proteins is almost certain where at some point protein molecules will align and unfold, exposing their hydrophobic regions for charged-based association (BA,shaking,long term-moderate storage,stirring and shearing),agitation induces aggregation is almost certain within the proteins minimizing efficiency (this applies for all peptides,HGH,hemoglobin,and insulin)..This reconstitution method should not be considered under any circumstance,this is critical to preventing significant loss


HGH mixing (reconstitution) instruction:

Remove the plastic cap from the top of the Eurotropin vial and clean the rubber with a medical alcohol pad/swab...
Take Bac Bacteriostatic water (0.9% sodium chloride)Ampule and utilize a pen cap to snap the neck off (this assures a clean/crisp brake)..

Take a NEW insulin syringe and pull the full amount of 1mL from the ampule (100 markings) into the pin. Note: regardless of how much water you use (be it 1ml or 2ml) the mixture still has the same overall strength. Water is just a transport method for the HGH. If you used double amount of water when reconstituting the HGH, you would have to use double amount of mixture when injecting yourself to get the same dose. People usually use 1ml because it fits fully into a standard insulin type syringe.

You now have 1ml of water in the syringe. Push the needle through the rubber cap of the Eurotropin vial, but position it sideways so that the water will slide down the inside wall of the vial SLOWLY... Do not inject directly into the powder with force, rather let the water slide out SLOWLY.

Majority of the white powder will dissolve within seconds, but there will be some lumps left over. Do not shake the vial in an attempt to get them to dissolve. If you are in a hurry, you can gently roll the vial between your fingers. If you do this for a few minutes all of the powder will dissolve. Alternatively you can let the vial sit in the refrigerator for 15 - 30 minutes.
By that time the somatropin will dissolve completely.

Before pulling the liquid HGH into the insulin syringe, give the vial a few turns between your fingers to gently mix the solution. The HGH vials are under vacuum (negative air pressure) which makes it harder to pull the liquid out. To relieve the vacuum inject a full syringe of air into the top of the vial (do not make the liquid bubble).


You know have reconstituted EuroTropin HGH

 
I use only steril water for my hgh been doing so for the past year or so with no issues at all.

I inject my water into vial then inject one cc of air into it after it is dissolved.


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I use only steril water for my hgh been doing so for the past year or so with no issues at all.

I inject my water into vial then inject one cc of air into it after it is dissolved.


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I use the same water and method. Haven’t had any issues.


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This also depends on whether the vials are vacuum sealed or not. I do this for strong vaccum sealed vials. For non-pressurized vials I just add in the back water and draw out a little more air than I put in so none of the shit squirts out
If your vials aren’t under a vacuum, it’s likely your stuff is bunk. The process uses tray lyophilizers (freeze dryers) which dries the peptides into that “puck” and then stoppers are inserted while under this vacuum.
 
If your vials aren’t under a vacuum, it’s likely your stuff is bunk. The process uses tray lyophilizers (freeze dryers) which dries the peptides into that “puck” and then stoppers are inserted while under this vacuum.
Yeah they're definitely supposed to be...but I've had good GH that's not vacuum sealed and bunk GH that is vacuum sealed before. So I've let that one go
 
Yeah they're definitely supposed to be...but I've had good GH that's not vacuum sealed and bunk GH that is vacuum sealed before. So I've let that one go

How are you determining if they are bunk or not? From blood work or just looking for sides?
 
Yeah they're definitely supposed to be...but I've had good GH that's not vacuum sealed and bunk GH that is vacuum sealed before. So I've let that one go
I guess I would consider this tantamount to saying
some gear is made in aseptic conditions and some isn’t but I’ve never had an abscess, so I let that go.
There a proper way to package HGH and that involves the vials being stoppered in a vacuum chamber. If a guy is lyophilizing and then bringing vials out to stopper them, I’d sure like to know how he’s doing that in an aseptic environment.
 
How are you determining if they are bunk or not? From blood work or just looking for sides?

Bloodwork that I did years ago on novotropins and IP Yellow tops are the two I'm speaking of, and I did a couple others as well. Serum and IGF-1. The yellow tops were vacuum sealed and were bunk, pulled a 12 and 16 on serum and low igf just over baseline. Novotropins, which were not vacuum sealed, pulled a consistent 32-36 with very high igf-1. Can't remember the exact numbers, it was years ago

I guess I would consider this tantamount to saying
some gear is made in aseptic conditions and some isn’t but I’ve never had an abscess, so I let that go.
There a proper way to package HGH and that involves the vials being stoppered in a vacuum chamber. If a guy is lyophilizing and then bringing vials out to stopper them, I’d sure like to know how he’s doing that in an aseptic environment.

Okay. The chances of getting an infection after using 2% bacteriostatic water is exceedingly slim, even if there was contamination. But that's not what we were talking about is it? We were referring to the quality of the GH in the vial in comparison to whether it was vacuum sealed or not
 
If your bac water is 2%, there too much BA in it. I wasn’t talking about infections anyway, just that if one were to simply discount the way anything is made if improperly, then they also accept its quality.
I’m not arguing here. Just discussing. There’s a point to lyophilzation, if not, dudes would just dump powder into a vial. Part of that is maintaining the peptides in a vacuum. Being cavalier about gear in any way is just risky and it doesn’t need to be.
 
its been pretty much covered but I'll add to it, bac water is only a couple of bucks when you are dropping hundreds on GH but its your preference, I pull 1ml bac water and let the vacuum on the vial draw it in.
 
its been pretty much covered but I'll add to it, bac water is only a couple of bucks when you are dropping hundreds on GH but its your preference, I pull 1ml bac water and let the vacuum on the vial draw it in.

Exactly!!!!
 

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