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Hey guys, I am planning on doing a 10 week Test-e cycle 500mg per week. I have done 3 sarm cycles previously over the course of 2 years, (rad140/Mk677, Ostarine/cardarine, and LDG4/Yk11) and had amazing results, but used prohormones (4andro) as my base instead of testosterone. Would it be ok if I run oral anavar for 6 weeks with my first test cycle or should I just stick with test to see possible reactions? I have ancillaries for PCT and HCG as well if I ever need it. Any info would be appreciated, thanks.
 
I am in the same boat. Test E 300 for first cycle but have Anavar on hand and I'm tempted to throw it in as well to make the best use of my now increased free testosterone. I am thinking I'll wait until between weeks 4 and 6, get bloodwork done, then throw in the Anavar. Obviously just test is ideal but patience is a hard learned skill.
 
Just to make a point for the newer folks. The reason that most will tell you to get baseline bloods before ever starting a cycle, especially a first cycle is to understand where you are naturally without any compounds. This information will be invaluable down the road and for PCT. You don’t have to understand it all at first but save that data and learn as you go and you will always have it to refer back to. One example would be for post PCT, you will be able to see if you have returned to your natural numbers or not and had a successful PCT or not. Now there are many other things to look at but if you don’t have that info you don’t know where you where to begin with.

Just stick with the test and see how that goes. Plan your diet and training and execute it to the T and you will see results. Keep in mind these 2 things should already be on point months ahead of your cycle. Run a sloppy program and you might as well be pissing into the wind. Good luck!
 
I’d add that baseline tests are also important to see how your body responds to gear. Cholesterol, estrogen conversion, prolactin spikes, kidney and liver clearance.
 
@Papasmurf Unfortunately I started the Test E only 300mg 2 weeks ago and did not get bloods done before starting. I was two week post show competing naturally so levels may have been skewed regardless. I have the blood test ordered so now its just a question of when to deploy it
 
JM99 said:
Hey guys, I am planning on doing a 10 week Test-e cycle 500mg per week. I have done 3 sarm cycles previously over the course of 2 years, (rad140/Mk677, Ostarine/cardarine, and LDG4/Yk11) and had amazing results, but used prohormones (4andro) as my base instead of testosterone. Would it be ok if I run oral anavar for 6 weeks with my first test cycle or should I just stick with test to see possible reactions? I have ancillaries for PCT and HCG as well if I ever need it. Any info would be appreciated, thanks.
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Welcome and this is the question I ask everyone that. What are you trying to gain from your cycle and why do you think adding anavar will help?

The point I am making is every time I do a cycle the gear that I am taking is specific to the results I am looking for. I just don't take anabolics based on reviews or how safe or dangerious they are. Your post doesn't say anything about your goal? You want to gain weight or lose?
 
@Wiseguy This is a very good question to ask. Personally, I want to add the Anavar into the first cycle for the added mind muscle connection during the workouts. Even though my case is an off season bulking phase, the increase in strength and mental connection to the muscles could add a few percentage points until I'm more advanced and can deploy a nandralone.

There is also the potential for the Anavar to affect SHBG in a way that allows for more free testosterone to be utilized, but without bloodwork to check SHBG levels that is just speculation.
 
FitnessMcGee said:
@Wiseguy This is a very good question to ask. Personally, I want to add the Anavar into the first cycle for the added mind muscle connection during the workouts. Even though my case is an off season bulking phase, the increase in strength and mental connection to the muscles could add a few percentage points until I'm more advanced and can deploy a nandralone.

There is also the potential for the Anavar to affect SHBG in a way that allows for more free testosterone to be utilized, but without bloodwork to check SHBG levels that is just speculation.
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Hey brother, from my personal experience Anavar is best used during cutting cycle. If you are lucky enough to get your hands on a legit Var you will see great pumps during your workout, but for me I wouldn't spend money on Var for pumps. I never got extreme strength gain but still noticeable from var. Not a big fan of Tbol but I would think that would fit more into the bulking phase.

You are correct regarding the blood work. I do my blood work before and 60 days after end of cycle to make sure all levels are back to normal.
 
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Hey brother, from my personal experience Anavar is best used during cutting cycle. If you are lucky enough to get your hands on a legit Var you will see great pumps during your workout, but for me I wouldn't spend money on Var for pumps. I never got extreme strength gain but still noticeable from var. Not a big fan of Tbol but I would think that would fit more into the bulking phase.

You are correct regarding the blood work. I do my blood work before and 60 days after end of cycle to make sure all levels are back to normal.
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Appreciate the advice! In all likelihood my Var is Tbol haha
 
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Wiseguy said:
Welcome and this is the question I ask everyone that. What are you trying to gain from your cycle and why do you think adding anavar will help?

The point I am making is every time I do a cycle the gear that I am taking is specific to the results I am looking for. I just don't take anabolics based on reviews or how safe or dangerious they are. Your post doesn't say anything about your goal? You want to gain weight or lose?
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Yes I want to loose weight, I am 172lbs, 5'7". I have excess fat around my waist area from my last bulk cycle I ran (LDG4, 4Andro as the base, and mk677)
 
Definitely get your blood work done. You do not want to start abusing shit without checking on your health. Who knows what those sarms previously done to your body and you can just make it even worse like aromatizing bad.
 
Topher_ruiz said:
Definitely get your blood work done. You do not want to start abusing shit without checking on your health. Who knows what those sarms previously done to your body and you can just make it even worse like aromatizing bad.
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yeah, i definitely will. I got bloodwork done before gyno removal surgery a couple months ago after my last sarm cycle, (minor gyno from estrogen rebound from my AI) everything was within range is what the doc said, and I feel good. but ill definitely get another blood test done.
 
If running just TEST E on a blast, say 500mg....what other sups would be good with it, other than Multi, Fish Oil, etc?
 
creatine, whey protein, keep your diet clean. i do 12 week cycles so if you do to i would add a oral, but thats me.
 
sorry i took it but cant remember the fucking name. u know who knows , ask multislacking ask him, hes cool.
 
JM99 said:
Yes I want to loose weight, I am 172lbs, 5'7". I have excess fat around my waist area from my last bulk cycle I ran (LDG4, 4Andro as the base, and mk677)
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OK. Now I am sure you know steroids don't make you lose fat. With that said 500mg test per week and the var is fine. If you do your cardio daily and cut calories you will put on some weight and will lose some fat at the same time. Without calorie reduction and cardio you will be back here posting another weight loss question 5 or more pounds heavier. Just FYI everyone says 500mg of test is a beginner cycle, but that's a hefty dose of test if you have never done it.

Good luck brother dial it in and you should be ok.
 
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You can buy NAC everywhere now. The guvment recended all hokey rules apparently.
 
JM99 said:
Hey guys, I am planning on doing a 10 week Test-e cycle 500mg per week. I have done 3 sarm cycles previously over the course of 2 years, (rad140/Mk677, Ostarine/cardarine, and LDG4/Yk11) and had amazing results, but used prohormones (4andro) as my base instead of testosterone. Would it be ok if I run oral anavar for 6 weeks with my first test cycle or should I just stick with test to see possible reactions? I have ancillaries for PCT and HCG as well if I ever need it. Any info would be appreciated, thanks.
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Stick with just test. Its a marathon not a sprint. Get to know your body on just test. Then when you move to other compounds you will be better able to tell how they affect you.
Just my suggestion.
 
Is there anyone here that thinks steroid talk is just ridiculous before discussion of ALL of the other, actually important aspects that are driving guys to consider steroids in the first place? I mean, I get this is a steroid forum but when a thread is started, even by someone who is clueless, we just start throwing around gear cycles and advice.
If we ever want steroids to be deregulated or at least not scheduled, we need to be pro-active in improving the optics, making the world believe that steroids don’t make you a monster, either mentally or physically.

The reality is most of the guys coming here would be stoked to have an athletic, swimmer’s body without sacrificing their “live it up” lifestyles.
In this case steroids are not only NOT the answer, but probably entirely unnecessary.
 
Wiseguy said:
OK. Now I am sure you know steroids don't make you lose fat. With that said 500mg test per week and the var is fine. If you do your cardio daily and cut calories you will put on some weight and will lose some fat at the same time. Without calorie reduction and cardio you will be back here posting another weight loss question 5 or more pounds heavier. Just FYI everyone says 500mg of test is a beginner cycle, but that's a hefty dose of test if you have never done it.

Good luck brother dial it in and you should be ok.
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I think people underestimate how far 500 mg of test will take you.


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Unfortunately Coach this generation has no patients. They want it and they want it now they are under the impression they can continue their current life style and in 3 to 6 months steroids will change their body. I am tired of explaining, now I just look for guys to make sure they are not milking themselves. These cycles without diet and training discipline will get them nothing but
Water weight, elevated values at the least.
 
Wiseguy said:
Unfortunately Coach this generation has no patients. They want it and they want it now they are under the impression they can continue their current life style and in 3 to 6 months steroids will change their body. I am tired of explaining, now I just look for guys to make sure they are not milking themselves. These cycles without diet and training discipline will get them nothing but
Water weight, elevated values at the least.
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Absolute facts.


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Yes....I see a TON of guys here who have not done the fundamentals...years of hard basic training and diet...this must be done before you even THINK about running gear. Minimum 5 years. I trained naturally for 17 years first.
 

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