Long “30 week cycle” what are your thoughts?

[gsuprem3]

So I’m on my cut “cycle” now. But instead of going back to TRT I’m thinking of just bridging to my bulk “cycle”. Cycle is in quotation marks because these are pretty low doses. I’ve done the higher dose cycles and I just enjoy the lower dose cycles. Good gains with little sides. I’m not looking to be a mass monster. I like slow steady gains. For example I’d rather gain 10lbs and keep 8lbs in muscle. Then gain 20lbs and keep 10lbs of muscle.

Background I’m in my later 30s. Already have kids (don’t want more), married, and on TRT through a doctor for the past 6 years due to a military accident that left me with low T. (From radiation). I’ve cycled many times from Test only, Test EQ, Test Tren, Test NPP, Test Deca, Test Anavar Deca, etc. (high to low dosages) it’s been a year since my last blast.
I’m 6’6 255lbs right now at 15 percent BF. Should be at 10 percent in another 8-9 weeks. I like to do a slow calorie restriction. Which should put my weight around 240lbs.

Basically im thinking of doing 30 week cycle… Blood work will be done every 4 weeks. Along with donating blood as needed.

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Weeks 1-9 (calorie deficit)
Test C 250mg total weekly (M,W,F)
25mg Var daily (split. 12.50mg am, 12.5mg pm) both from a doctor.

Week 10-13 (calorie maintenance, maybe slight surplus)
Test C 250mg total weekly (M,W,F)
Tren Ace 100mg total weekly (split ED injections)

Week 14-18 (calorie surplus)
Test C 250mg total weekly (M,W,F)
NPP 200mg total weekly (EOD injections)
Deca 300mg total weekly
(NPP until deca kicks in)

Week 18-30 (calorie surplus)
Test C 250mg total weekly (M,W,F)
Deca 300mg

Might add 4 weeks of Drol or Dbol in at week 18-22 when Deca kicks in if bloods look alright. It would give me 8 weeks between the Var and this oral compound.
Drol at 50mg daily
Dbol at 40mg daily.

Then back to TRT at 160mg.

Thoughts?
Also what are your options on the Drol or Dbol for 4 weeks at week 18? Which compound would you choose.

This is just an idea I’ve had for a while. So any feedback would be appreciated. Again blood work every 4 weeks, Blood pressure checked about everyday, blood donation as needed.

 

[Frank❤️Tren]

So I’m on my cut “cycle” now. But instead of going back to TRT I’m thinking of just bridging to my bulk “cycle”. Cycle is in quotation marks because these are pretty low doses. I’ve done the higher dose cycles and I just enjoy the lower dose cycles. Good gains with little sides. I’m not looking to be a mass monster. I like slow steady gains. For example I’d rather gain 10lbs and keep 8lbs in muscle. Then gain 20lbs and keep 10lbs of muscle.

Background I’m in my later 30s. Already have kids (don’t want more), married, and on TRT through a doctor for the past 6 years due to a military accident that left me with low T. (From radiation). I’ve cycled many times from Test only, Test EQ, Test Tren, Test NPP, Test Deca, Test Anavar Deca, etc. (high to low dosages) it’s been a year since my last blast.
I’m 6’6 255lbs right now at 15 percent BF. Should be at 10 percent in another 8-9 weeks. I like to do a slow calorie restriction. Which should put my weight around 240lbs.

Basically im thinking of doing 30 week cycle… Blood work will be done every 4 weeks. Along with donating blood as needed.

Layout
Weeks 1-9 (calorie deficit)
Test C 250mg total weekly (M,W,F)
25mg Var daily (split. 12.50mg am, 12.5mg pm) both from a doctor.

Week 10-13 (calorie maintenance, maybe slight surplus)
Test C 250mg total weekly (M,W,F)
Tren Ace 100mg total weekly (split ED injections)

Week 14-18 (calorie surplus)
Test C 250mg total weekly (M,W,F)
NPP 200mg total weekly (EOD injections)
Deca 300mg total weekly
(NPP until deca kicks in)

Week 18-30 (calorie surplus)
Test C 250mg total weekly (M,W,F)
Deca 300mg

Might add 4 weeks of Drol or Dbol in at week 18-22 when Deca kicks in if bloods look alright. It would give me 8 weeks between the Var and this oral compound.
Drol at 50mg daily
Dbol at 40mg daily.

Then back to TRT at 160mg.

Thoughts?
Also what are your options on the Drol or Dbol for 4 weeks at week 18? Which compound would you choose.

This is just an idea I’ve had for a while. So any feedback would be appreciated. Again blood work every 4 weeks, Blood pressure checked about everyday, blood donation as needed.

So I’m not really liking how many compounds you are throwing around 2 nandrolone esters and tren, no buildup not really letting any substance peak. I would say use the 30 weeks to ramp your test up slowly every 30-35 days in your case (5 half lives) then you could use than anavar pre workout in the first 4 weeks and stick with 1 19-nor to titrate up with, I personally favor tren where you can start low and go high and keep ancillaries on the side like aromasin and caber and all that as you need it. Just to get the most out of what you’re using and you can pin point what’s giving you issues. This method I believe is tried and true


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[gsuprem3]

So I’m not really liking how many compounds you are throwing around 2 nandrolone esters and tren, no buildup not really letting any substance peak. I would say use the 30 weeks to ramp your test up slowly every 30-35 days in your case (5 half lives) then you could use than anavar pre workout in the first 4 weeks and stick with 1 19-nor to titrate up with, I personally favor tren where you can start low and go high and keep ancillaries on the side like aromasin and caber and all that as you need it. Just to get the most out of what you’re using and you can pin point what’s giving you issues. This method I believe is tried and true


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[celrin321]

The swapping in and out of compounds over the cycle is definitely the popular old school approach. Like Frank said if you have a good understanding of what each drug does to you at a particular dose it's not a problem, but otherwise it can make things very complicated.

The doses are conservative and I don't think 30weeks should be a problem that being the case. Only thing I would not do for certain if it was me is the superdrol at 18weeks for 4weeks. That will absolutely fuck you up and probably end the cycle.

 

[gsuprem3]

Nandrolone clicks with me. So if I were to pick one 19 nor it would be nandrolone. The NPP was just added until the deca was fully saturated. I could drop the tren and do NPP during those weeks. Or drop the NPP and do the tren until the deca kicks in….Or I could drop both the tren and NPP and run the deca titrating up. I like to keep test relatively low. I’d go up to 400mg near the end but anything more I don’t enjoy. I’ve ran up to a gram of test during previous cycles. Never again lol. Bloat, acne, and blood pressure issues. If I’m going to run higher test I’d do more of a standard cycle. 12-14 weeks Test 400 Deca 600. But I’m curious on the low and slow approach to a low dose longer cycle.

With the Tren I was going to use it at the very end of my cut. When I’m at my leanest. A month of Tren ace in my experience was great. I know it’s toxic so I figured 4 weeks would be a good start. I’d got up to 8 max. I’ve done Tren A at 400mg for 12 weeks and I was ready for it to be over lol. The other time I did Tren A at 200mg for 6 weeks and was great for my physique. Abs were on point and everything was full…but I did get sleep issues. So that was the thought behind using Tren ace for 4 weeks.

I appreciate your response! Great suggestions. I’ll write out a cycle like the one you suggested and post it here.

 

[Frank❤️Tren]

Nandrolone clicks with me. So if I were to pick one 19 nor it would be nandrolone. The NPP was just added until the deca was fully saturated. I could drop the tren and do NPP during those weeks. Or drop the NPP and do the tren until the deca kicks in….Or I could drop both the tren and NPP and run the deca titrating up. I like to keep test relatively low. I’d go up to 400mg near the end but anything more I don’t enjoy. I’ve ran up to a gram of test during previous cycles. Never again lol. Bloat, acne, and blood pressure issues. If I’m going to run higher test I’d do more of a standard cycle. 12-14 weeks Test 400 Deca 600. But I’m curious on the low and slow approach to a low dose longer cycle.

With the Tren I was going to use it at the very end of my cut. When I’m at my leanest. A month of Tren ace in my experience was great. I know it’s toxic so I figured 4 weeks would be a good start. I’d got up to 8 max. I’ve done Tren A at 400mg for 12 weeks and I was ready for it to be over lol. The other time I did Tren A at 200mg for 6 weeks and was great for my physique. Abs were on point and everything was full…but I did get sleep issues. So that was the thought behind using Tren ace for 4 weeks.

I appreciate your response! Great suggestions. I’ll write out a cycle like the one you suggested and post it here.

So I think using NPP and titrating it up would be great and maybe throwing in dbol or anadrol at the end would be great and then maybe keep test at a solid 400-500 like you said and then maybe pick whatever oral to front load in the beginning. But one thing I learned is all this shit makes you superhuman anyways, and if you don’t change compounds every few weeks it won’t mean that ur not gonna make progress. That’s the best part about being on gear even 200 test is better than being fuckin natty lol ur always superhuman bro enjoy it


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[gsuprem3]

The swapping in and out of compounds over the cycle is definitely the popular old school approach. Like Frank said if you have a good understanding of what each drug does to you at a particular dose it's not a problem, but otherwise it can make things very complicated.

The doses are conservative and I don't think 30weeks should be a problem that being the case. Only thing I would not do for certain if it was me is the superdrol at 18weeks for 4weeks. That will absolutely fuck you up and probably end the cycle.

First of all I appreciate your response. That was my thoughts on this cycle. I’ve done the compounds before so I know how they work with my body chemistry. As far as the superdrol I should have specified. I meant anadrol or Dbol. For me superdrol is too harsh. But even anadrol might be too harsh during this period. I might just shelve them for a different time if I go with this approach.

 

[gsuprem3]

So I think using NPP and titrating it up would be great and maybe throwing in dbol or anadrol at the end would be great and then maybe keep test at a solid 400-500 like you said and then maybe pick whatever oral to front load in the beginning. But one thing I learned is all this shit makes you superhuman anyways, and if you don’t change compounds every few weeks it won’t mean that ur not gonna make progress. That’s the best part about being on gear even 200 test is better than being fuckin natty lol ur always superhuman bro enjoy it


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Appreciate it my man!

 

[gsuprem3]

Appreciate it my man!

So I think using NPP and titrating it up would be great and maybe throwing in dbol or anadrol at the end would be great and then maybe keep test at a solid 400-500 like you said and then maybe pick whatever oral to front load in the beginning. But one thing I learned is all this shit makes you superhuman anyways, and if you don’t change compounds every few weeks it won’t mean that ur not gonna make progress. That’s the best part about being on gear even 200 test is better than being fuckin natty lol ur always superhuman bro enjoy it


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One other thing bro. What do you prefer Dbol or anadrol? I’ve only done Anavar (doctor proscribed) and dbol a LONG time ago incorrectly lol. Both I’d like to try eventually. Dbol can cause high E but I hear you feel good on it and Drol seems more harsh and can be hard on the hairline but it doesn’t cause as much E problems. And both seem pretty good for strength. So I’ve heard.

 

[Frank❤️Tren]

One other thing bro. What do you prefer Dbol or anadrol? I’ve only done Anavar (doctor proscribed) and dbol a LONG time ago incorrectly lol. Both I’d like to try eventually. Dbol can cause high E but I hear you feel good on it and Drol seems more harsh and can be hard on the hairline but it doesn’t cause as much E problems. And both seem pretty good for strength. So I’ve heard.

Real talk I’m not too enthusiastic about most orals given they just have a bunch of sides just to make you look cool for 4 weeks. Personally anavar at 25mg for long periods of time is what I’ve liked on top of tren or something. But if you truly can handle the E2 and the cholesterol from taking dbol I think that’s best in the beginning or end of the cycle because anadrol made people I know too nauseous and dbol made me feel like a lion it’s def euphoric.


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[gsuprem3]

Real talk I’m not too enthusiastic about most orals given they just have a bunch of sides just to make you look cool for 4 weeks. Personally anavar at 25mg for long periods of time is what I’ve liked on top of tren or something. But if you truly can handle the E2 and the cholesterol from taking dbol I think that’s best in the beginning or end of the cycle because anadrol made people I know too nauseous and dbol made me feel like a lion it’s def euphoric.


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Thanks brother! I appreciate your help

 

[celrin321]

First of all I appreciate your response. That was my thoughts on this cycle. I’ve done the compounds before so I know how they work with my body chemistry. As far as the superdrol I should have specified. I meant anadrol or Dbol. For me superdrol is too harsh. But even anadrol might be too harsh during this period. I might just shelve them for a different time if I go with this approach.

Sure. I think like Frank said orals usually provide a very short term benefit at a certain cost and with that being the case should be deployed for a certain purpose.

In the case of a bulk that's usually you hit a strength or weight gain plateau where food/training etc. isn't enough to push you out of it and orals work really well for that. The problem with then stopping them mid cycle is you lose that additional strength/weight. Which is why most people run them at the beginning before the other drugs have kicked in, or at the end when progress becomes really difficult deep into the cycle. Like Frank said Im a big fan of anavar too. Can run it for long periods of time at low doses and undetectable on blood work. Mental as a pre workout and the pumps in the gym.

 

[gsuprem3]

Sure. I think like Frank said orals usually provide a very short term benefit at a certain cost and with that being the case should be deployed for a certain purpose.

In the case of a bulk that's usually you hit a strength or weight gain plateau where food/training etc. isn't enough to push you out of it and orals work really well for that. The problem with then stopping them mid cycle is you lose that additional strength/weight. Which is why most people run them at the beginning before the other drugs have kicked in, or at the end when progress becomes really difficult deep into the cycle. Like Frank said Im a big fan of anavar too. Can run it for long periods of time at low doses and undetectable on blood work. Mental as a pre workout and the pumps in the gym.

Yeah I love anavar I have a bunch from a doctor. I’ll probably just run it 8-10 weeks at the beginning and 8-10 weeks at the end

 

[celrin321]

Yeah I love anavar I have a bunch from a doctor. I’ll probably just run it 8-10 weeks at the beginning and 8-10 weeks at the end

Nice brother I'd kill for some pharma grade anavar. Might have to go to one of these "trt" clinics lol

 

[Frank❤️Tren]

Nice brother I'd kill for some pharma grade anavar. Might have to go to one of these "trt" clinics lol

It’s so hard being able to even get my hands on pharma grade anything for me. I’ve tried cipla test C but my pediatrician definitely won’t allow me to get trt lol


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[gsuprem3]

Nice brother I'd kill for some pharma grade anavar. Might have to go to one of these "trt" clinics lol

You pay out the ass but you know what you get. sources here have legit stuff.

 

[GhostReaper]

I've ran some long runs..Not a Fan..
I agree, too many compounds..
How was your experience with EQ..??
Reason I asked..not liking the Deca in your mix..
I'd believe the Tren is best used towards the End..
I'd run the Test a little higher through out the cycle..use compounds that don't bring water retention..at the End,I'd use Drol..keeps strength up and suppresses hunger..

I'm thinking of EQ for the entire cycle..with either Masteron or Primobolan...
I've ran EQ/Tren E/ Dbol..set most PR's at 42..
Cut..looked shredded..
Don't recommend 30 weeks..

Biggest thing with gear..Best gains with little to No sides..Problems come from High doses and long runs..
You might not notice a thing during or even after the cycle
BUT..Down the road..???

Also,Var will message with your markers..long runs on Orals...Bad Mojo..

My. o2..
Z

 

[gsuprem3]

I've ran some long runs..Not a Fan..
I agree, too many compounds..
How was your experience with EQ..??
Reason I asked..not liking the Deca in your mix..
I'd believe the Tren is best used towards the End..
I'd run the Test a little higher through out the cycle..use compounds that don't bring water retention..at the End,I'd use Drol..keeps strength up and suppresses hunger..

I'm thinking of EQ for the entire cycle..with either Masteron or Primobolan...
I've ran EQ/Tren E/ Dbol..set most PR's at 42..
Cut..looked shredded..
Don't recommend 30 weeks..

Biggest thing with gear..Best gains with little to No sides..Problems come from High doses and long runs..
You might not notice a thing during or even after the cycle
BUT..Down the road..???

Also,Var will message with your markers..long runs on Orals...Bad Mojo..

My. o2..
Z

EQ was alright it was mild but spiked my red blood cells and blood pressure. Nandrolone doesn’t seem to have that effect on me. WQ also crashed my E. I’m a low converter. DHT compounds are harsh on the hairline. (I know that’s a stupid reason but I’d like to keep it as long as I can lol) mid/late 30s still looking full other then some slight recession.

So I added my calories in the thread. The tren would be used at my leanest. The first part of the cycle is during a cut with the the Test and Var. Then Tren would be added at the last 4-5 weeks. Then I go into a SLIGHT surplus. With nandrolone doing the heavy lifting. It’s basically a cut cycle (slight cut) into a study slow nandrolone dominant cycle.

What don’t you like the deca in this cycle?

Thank you very much for responding. All suggestions will be thoroughly considered. I’m not stuck in my ways at all and I’m willing to change things before the cycle starts.

 

[GhostReaper]

Looking at your cycle..it's cutting first then bulking..why not bulk 1st, then cut..??
I think you'll be fighting water retention at the End..
If your sure about doing that cycle..I'd stay with the NPP..Not Deca..!!
I believe a Test/Mast..or Test/Primobolan run..with maybe an oral..will give you those 8lbs you want..30 weeks is a rather long run..

Just an old man's perspective..
Z

 

[JC33]

The idea that there’s some generic amount of time that you can or can’t stay on cycle for it’s so stupid to me. I’ve yet to understand why there is this template for 12, 16, 20 weeks cycles..

If you’re still growing and you’re healthy why end the cycle at 20 weeks, 30 weeks? Why not go another 30 weeks? If you can continue to grow and you’re healthy, it’s stupid to come off.

 

[gsuprem3]

Looking at your cycle..it's cutting first then bulking..why not bulk 1st, then cut..??
I think you'll be fighting water retention at the End..
If your sure about doing that cycle..I'd stay with the NPP..Not Deca..!!
I believe a Test/Mast..or Test/Primobolan run..with maybe an oral..will give you those 8lbs you want..30 weeks is a rather long run..

Just an old man's perspective..
Z

No i respect any and all advice i get. I haven’t noticed a big difference in NPP and deca. Obviously it’s the same drug just different ester attached but when deca kicks in I get the same effects. NPP just hits quicker. The Deca is also a proscription from a pharmacy with my name on it.
I’m cutting for the summer months. It would put my peak cut right around late may, June and July. Then a slow “bulk” back up. I don’t traditionally bulk and cut. I bulk and cut with low caloric deficits or surpluses. This way I maintain muscle during a cut and even add a bit of muscle. During my bulk I keep a 6 pack. It’s a slower style then the norm but I’m already tall and have good muscle amount. I don’t want to be that mass monster. I enjoy being lean while gaining muscle year round.

 

[gsuprem3]

The idea that there’s some generic amount of time that you can or can’t stay on cycle for it’s so stupid to me. I’ve yet to understand why there is this template for 12, 16, 20 weeks cycles..

If you’re still growing and you’re healthy why end the cycle at 20 weeks, 30 weeks? Why not go another 30 weeks? If you can continue to grow and you’re healthy, it’s stupid to come off.

My thoughts aswell. The traditional approach to bulking crazy then having the massive caloric deficits to achieve abs and separation is not enjoyable to me. I like being lean all year. I’d rather cut on 3000 calories for a few months than 2500 calories for 4-5 months. Then when I bulk I’m at 3500-3600 calories. It’s a simpler lifestyle. My maintenance is around 3200. Depending on if I’m running. If I’m running that goes up.