IFBB pros and gear

[tren2k14]

Once they break the 100ius slin alot of lantus comes in.

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[tren2k14]

Let's clear this up yes to become pro you can get by with lower doses after that step your game up or quit you will be in a nonstop money pit and lose every show repeating the same thing.

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[tren2k14]

Also isn't his doses daily?

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[Vision]

The issue is genetics only take you so far then doses go out of this world. You should see then amount of slin and gh some pros I know use. Were talking 100ius plus a day. Plus most guys from 90s were injecting that shit daily with no clue of doses.

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Like i started too, bold, slin and HGH at some insane #"s
Shit, bold alone for a "few" i heard mentioned was anywhere from 1500-2000mg weekly..

Im no pro, and im on 1250'ish as we speak, i can clearly see this drug doing some epic things at higher dosages..

 

[tren2k14]

Like i started too, bold, slin and HGH at some insane #"s
Shit, bold alone for a "few" i heard mentioned was anywhere from 1500-2000mg weekly..

Im no pro, and im on 1250'ish as we speak, i can clearly see this drug doing some epic things at higher dosages..

Nothing builds massive delts like bold idk why

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[Glycomann]

My reading of his log on Instagram is that he was not using low doses. Some of the days' posted AAS use was in the 600-700 mg range for any particular day. He also very much liked his cytadren many weeks out from contest. Also liked a lot of winstrol at 100-150 mg on injection day and I would guess 3-4 days a week if not more just for that one steroid. He would break open 2-3 amps each of parabolan and primobolan a day when that day it was used. Let's say he injected 5 days a week he was using 2.5 to 3 grams of AAS a week. Maybe this is average for IFBB pro.

 

[tren2k14]

My reading of his log on Instagram is that he was not using low doses. Some of the days' posted AAS use was in the 600-700 mg range for any particular day. He also very much liked his cytadren many weeks out from contest. Also liked a lot of winstrol at 100-150 mg on injection day and I would guess 3-4 days a week if not more just for that one steroid. He would break open 2-3 amps each of parabolan and primobolan a day when that day it was used. Let's say he injected 5 days a week he was using 2.5 to 3 grams of AAS a week. Maybe this is average for IFBB pro.

Pretty close but its known to get higher.

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[malfeasance]

There is nowhere near enough pages from his diary to have any clear idea of what his dosages are for any given week, much less the weeks when his doses are higher.

You simply can't put together what he was using from the pictures. You get little snapshots of certain days, and that is all.

 

[Anonim]

One question that gets asked a lot and speculation answers given the most is, what do the pros actually run and what are their doses? Well, no one really knows for sure unless you know one personally and they open up about the topic and are honest about it. I know an IFBB pro personally who has been on the Olympia stage a few times in his carrier. I do know his protocol since I’m the one who supplies him with his cycles. And I can tell you it’s not what you think. He relies more on his hard work, genetics and diet than he does on the gear. To forum standards, his cycle would be considered basic, something a newbie should run, he’d probably be told to up the dose because his mg’s are too low to work and if he outed himself to who he was, he would probably be called a liar about his gear use. I bring that up because guys like Lee Priest have opened up about the gear and doses they used and the timing of it and people called him a liar and claimed there was no way and he had to be on super high doses and stayed on all year to be that big and keep the size.

BUT!!! A very well known IFBB pro who almost all of you will know from magazines, DVD’s, social media and by following bodybuilding has released his journal that outlines his diet and gear use. He shows you exactly what he used and how much. These are pictures of his journal entries where he kept track of his daily diet and daily gear use. He wrote these entries daily. So maybe now people will start to see that these guys aren’t juiced to the gills running a gram of everything under the sun. The doses you see in these pics are minimal compared to 98% of the cycles I see guys running today on forums. And 99% of these guys running insane amounts of gear aren’t even half the size. I think more people rely on the gear doing most of the work while they put in minimal effort outside of the gym. While the pros are relying more on their genetics, diet and hard work while putting in minimal amounts of gear.

This is a pretty old protocol if its even his.
From what i got from speaking to him hes a bit more extreme now as far as growth/insulin goes and supplementing carbs are completely replaced. But yeah your idea is right and dieting genetics and hard work play big roles.


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[REHH]

This is a pretty old protocol if its even his.
From what i got from speaking to him hes a bit more extreme now as far as growth/insulin goes and supplementing carbs are completely replaced. But yeah your idea is right and dieting genetics and hard work play big roles.

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Yeah on RX muscle he was saying 20iu insulin preworkout then another 20iu post workout was his basic insulin protocol for his clients. Can't remember the rest. Dave says he never prescribes more than 1 gram of test to his pro athletes, he likes 750 range. Seems like I remember Milos agreed.

 

[dawg16]

Yeah on RX muscle he was saying 20iu insulin preworkout then another 20iu post workout was his basic insulin protocol for his clients. Can't remember the rest. Dave says he never prescribes more than 1 gram of test to his pro athletes, he likes 750 range. Seems like I remember Milos agreed.

I'm learning on this slin thing. I've talked to some smart people and study all I can about it. This is just my observation from my experiences, but you see these bodybuilders using large amounts. I believe that the get this insulin resistance from prolong years of hgh. I have used hgh for many years, but rarely went over 10 ius per day. I found out that even 30ius post workout without excessive carbs never even made me hypo. Just to test me more, I tried 50 ius and went hypo alittle. Nothing a few pieces of candy didn't take care of. I finally just backed down to 10ius in the morning and 10 at postworkout with a diet I felt was pretty darn good. I was really disappointed in the results. Did it about 6 weeks.

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[tren2k14]

I know a few of Dave clients and they were well over a g

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[tren2k14]

One of my friends ex client is now with milo o can find out his doses I know he was complaining about injecting more and he was already a 2g a week guy.

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[tren2k14]

I'm learning on this slin thing. I've talked to some smart people and study all I can about it. This is just my observation from my experiences, but you see these bodybuilders using large amounts. I believe that the get this insulin resistance from prolong years of hgh. I have used hgh for many years, but rarely went over 10 ius per day. I found out that even 30ius post workout without excessive carbs never even made me hypo. Just to test me more, I tried 50 ius and went hypo alittle. Nothing a few pieces of candy didn't take care of. I finally just backed down to 10ius in the morning and 10 at postworkout with a diet I felt was pretty darn good. I was really disappointed in the results. Did it about 6 weeks.

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What kind of slin?

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[dawg16]

What kind of slin?

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Good old pharma Humalog.

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[Skip Foursome]

Let's clear this up yes to become pro you can get by with lower doses after that step your game up or quit you will be in a nonstop money pit and lose every show repeating the same thing.

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I want to preface this by saying I am not arguing with you but want further understand your point.

We both agree genetics over everything else...diet, training and drugs.

Just so regular gym rats like myself understand, the genetically gifted are the ones that can absorb and benefit from these mega doses.

And that does not apply to the general public.

Am I correct?

 

[dawg16]

I want to preface this by saying I am not arguing with you but want further understand your point.

We both agree genetics over everything else...diet, training and drugs.

Just so regular gym rats like myself understand, the genetically gifted are the ones that can absorb and benefit from these mega doses.

And that does not apply to the general public.

Am I correct?

Man, I've read your post over and over...I'm a gym rat, but a fairly gifted one. Your third paragraph interest me. Not sure they absorb more than it enhances their genetics...make sense?

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[Skip Foursome]

Man, I've read your post over and over...I'm a gym rat, but a fairly gifted one. Your third paragraph interest me. Not sure they absorb more than it enhances their genetics...make sense?

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That is another angle that would make sense.

I have nothing going for me as far as size. I have narrow shoulders, long limbs and long ligaments.

I would say at best i am an average responder to AAS but an above average responder to generic GH.

Reason for being above average with GH is my age as I have no natural production.

 

[dawg16]

That is another angle that would make sense.

I have nothing going for me as far as size. I have narrow shoulders, long limbs and long ligaments.

I would say at best i am an average responder to AAS but an above average responder to generic GH.

Reason for being above average with GH is my age as I have no natural production.

I understand...

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[tren2k14]

I want to preface this by saying I am not arguing with you but want further understand your point.

We both agree genetics over everything else...diet, training and drugs.

Just so regular gym rats like myself understand, the genetically gifted are the ones that can absorb and benefit from these mega doses.

And that does not apply to the general public.

Am I correct?

Well genetics is allowing the high doses without major sides. Anyone could use the mega doses if there androgen receptors are high from long term use or the genetic part more muscle mass. More muscle mass more androgen receptors. Then comes down to AR density and sensitivity.

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[Anonim]

Well genetics is allowing the high doses without major sides. Anyone could use the mega doses if there androgen receptors are high from long term use or the genetic part more muscle mass. More muscle mass more androgen receptors. Then comes down to AR density and sensitivity.

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Damn tren2k some good answers


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[Skip Foursome]

I understand...

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The struggle is real......

 

[Vision]

That is another angle that would make sense.

I have nothing going for me as far as size. I have narrow shoulders, long limbs and long ligaments.

I would say at best i am an average responder to AAS but an above average responder to generic GH.

Reason for being above average with GH is my age as I have no natural production.

Like you were saying prior that it's all about genetics..
I've always been gifted with traps and shoulders guys are always making references about my shoulders.. I have a buddy that's a really big big big boy but he has narrow shoulders but the cross caption from his chest with muscle attachment from end-to-end is like a fucking armor shield.. everybody possesses something different and more enhance than the next.. everyone always asked me what my shoulder routine is, it ain't much different than anybody else's.. and like you I respond very good to generic Hgh, even though my serum levels with pharmaceutical and generic is in the lower range compared to the average when I do a serum test, but how my body responds is entirely different..
I'm a low responder with testosterone that's why I run it and mega dosages, but I respond amazingly with higher dose EQ, for nandrolone it doesn't matter it shines with any doshin with me... Just about every oral is a thumbs up for me, besides tbol I need to run that on the higher end..

I'm just a meathead that never comes off..

I just get sick of guys asking me what I'm running and how I'm training because anybody that's in the know would understand it's all about individual response..

 

[dawg16]

Like you were saying prior that it's all about genetics..
I've always been gifted with traps and shoulders guys are always making references about my shoulders.. I have a buddy that's a really big big big boy but he has narrow shoulders but the cross caption from his chest with muscle attachment from end-to-end is like a fucking armor shield.. everybody possesses something different and more enhance than the next.. everyone always asked me what my shoulder routine is, it ain't much different than anybody else's.. and like you I respond very good to generic Hgh, even though my serum levels with pharmaceutical and generic is in the lower range compared to the average when I do a serum test, but how my body responds is entirely different..
I'm a low responder with testosterone that's why I run it and mega dosages, but I respond amazingly with higher dose EQ, for nandrolone it doesn't matter it shines with any doshin with me... Just about every oral is a thumbs up for me, besides tbol I need to run that on the higher end..

I'm just a meathead that never comes off..

I just get sick of guys asking me what I'm running and how I'm training because anybody that's in the know would understand it's all about individual response..

Yep, just like about 90% of us here on this forum...

 

[ArgonCoagulator]

Guys, pros and even Natl level bodybuilders run 3cc of multiple compounds/ester per DAY MINIMUM. I don't mean to shit on OPs post about Milo's and minimal dose claims but I'm just keeping shit real around here because as aspiring recreational bodybuilders I feel we all have a right to know what the fuck these guys are really on and I PROMISE you, it is not minimal. No I don't have fucking PROOF or links to post but I have caught "fell through cracks" truths here and there and of course you can choose to shake it off and believe these monsters are ALL genetics and hard work and minimized dosages of gear, but just know you are delusional in doing so and lying to yourself as well as misinformed our brothers who may have certain goals beyond a cut beach body.

Mike Morris, who wasn't even the hugest mass monster has a video on YouTube where he talks about his career and health issues and at the end he says to give us an idea of his dosages he would pin 3ccs, 4 days on, 1 day off. Now being conservative and assume 2ccs were 250mg/ml long ester and 1cc of say test prop 100mg, that's still around 3600mg of gear per week. Imagine what the TOP MASS MONSTERS were using!?! Supposedly Paul Dillet would take a GRAM OF TEST PER DAY and nothing else... I have a good article from getbig that I'll post tomorrow, outlining common practice dose protocols of test and nandrolone blast/cruises.

 

[tren2k14]

Guys, pros and even Natl level bodybuilders run 3cc of multiple compounds/ester per DAY MINIMUM. I don't mean to shit on OPs post about Milo's and minimal dose claims but I'm just keeping shit real around here because as aspiring recreational bodybuilders I feel we all have a right to know what the fuck these guys are really on and I PROMISE you, it is not minimal. No I don't have fucking PROOF or links to post but I have caught "fell through cracks" truths here and there and of course you can choose to shake it off and believe these monsters are ALL genetics and hard work and minimized dosages of gear, but just know you are delusional in doing so and lying to yourself as well as misinformed our brothers who may have certain goals beyond a cut beach body.

Mike Morris, who wasn't even the hugest mass monster has a video on YouTube where he talks about his career and health issues and at the end he says to give us an idea of his dosages he would pin 3ccs, 4 days on, 1 day off. Now being conservative and assume 2ccs were 250mg/ml long ester and 1cc of say test prop 100mg, that's still around 3600mg of gear per week. Imagine what the TOP MASS MONSTERS were using!?! Supposedly Paul Dillet would take a GRAM OF TEST PER DAY and nothing else... I have a good article from getbig that I'll post tomorrow, outlining common practice dose protocols of test and nandrolone blast/cruises.

Bet its written by gh15

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[ArgonCoagulator]

Bet its written by gh15

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It's actually just one of the regulars at getbig. I came across a thread a few weeks ago when I was looking up info on npp/deca. We know for a fact Dallas McCarver, RIP was estimated to have used 4 bottles (10g of test) of test PER WEEK to achieve a 55,000ng test level. Paul Dillet says 7g of test per week... The bigger, freakier guys are using scarier dosages. The ability to to tolerate or even effectively use that much prob is genetic, but don't think genetics allow them to get to 300+ lb ripped on moderate doses. Genetics allow them to usefully continue to increase doses because they have a higher limit for total muscle mass and a body that can tolerate it. The point of diminished returns on gear dose is much higher than ppl think. You're a big mofo I'm sure you aren't a stranger to multiple grams being a normal for guys your size.

 

[REHH]

Guys, pros and even Natl level bodybuilders run 3cc of multiple compounds/ester per DAY MINIMUM. I don't mean to shit on OPs post about Milo's and minimal dose claims but I'm just keeping shit real around here because as aspiring recreational bodybuilders I feel we all have a right to know what the fuck these guys are really on and I PROMISE you, it is not minimal. No I don't have fucking PROOF or links to post but I have caught "fell through cracks" truths here and there and of course you can choose to shake it off and believe these monsters are ALL genetics and hard work and minimized dosages of gear, but just know you are delusional in doing so and lying to yourself as well as misinformed our brothers who may have certain goals beyond a cut beach body.

Mike Morris, who wasn't even the hugest mass monster has a video on YouTube where he talks about his career and health issues and at the end he says to give us an idea of his dosages he would pin 3ccs, 4 days on, 1 day off. Now being conservative and assume 2ccs were 250mg/ml long ester and 1cc of say test prop 100mg, that's still around 3600mg of gear per week. Imagine what the TOP MASS MONSTERS were using!?! Supposedly Paul Dillet would take a GRAM OF TEST PER DAY and nothing else... I have a good article from getbig that I'll post tomorrow, outlining common practice dose protocols of test and nandrolone blast/cruises.

Bullshit! Pure bullshit.
I happen to know and train with an ifbb pro bodybuilder so i DO actually know what I'm talking about. "3cc of multiple compounds everyday" muhahah.

 

[Vision]

Guys, pros and even Natl level bodybuilders run 3cc of multiple compounds/ester per DAY MINIMUM. I don't mean to shit on OPs post about Milo's and minimal dose claims but I'm just keeping shit real around here because as aspiring recreational bodybuilders I feel we all have a right to know what the fuck these guys are really on and I PROMISE you, it is not minimal. No I don't have fucking PROOF or links to post but I have caught "fell through cracks" truths here and there and of course you can choose to shake it off and believe these monsters are ALL genetics and hard work and minimized dosages of gear, but just know you are delusional in doing so and lying to yourself as well as misinformed our brothers who may have certain goals beyond a cut beach body.

Mike Morris, who wasn't even the hugest mass monster has a video on YouTube where he talks about his career and health issues and at the end he says to give us an idea of his dosages he would pin 3ccs, 4 days on, 1 day off. Now being conservative and assume 2ccs were 250mg/ml long ester and 1cc of say test prop 100mg, that's still around 3600mg of gear per week. Imagine what the TOP MASS MONSTERS were using!?! Supposedly Paul Dillet would take a GRAM OF TEST PER DAY and nothing else... I have a good article from getbig that I'll post tomorrow, outlining common practice dose protocols of test and nandrolone blast/cruises.

Over the years and even recently we've had some people chime in that were competing at national levels, that have little to no experience with oils.. we suspected one of them was pulling our leg but it turned out that he was bonafide and legit.. the truth of the matter is some guys use extensively and some guys use modestly and then there is those in between, the only thing that they all have in common is this dieting and the gym everything else will vary.. everybody tries to carbon copy and tailor what they heard or seen.. one of the reasons why a lot of guys are hush hush is because they do what works for them and they're not trying to air their dirty laundry..

 

[tren2k14]

Bullshit! Pure bullshit.
I happen to know and train with an ifbb pro bodybuilder so i DO actually know what I'm talking about. "3cc of multiple compounds everyday" muhahah.

He would if he could afford it though.

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