How to mitigate gh lethargy

[pc60quidting]

I’ve been running 12iu growth pre bed for 3 months now give or take, but unlike my previous dose increases the lethargy doesn’t seem to go away and now it’s to the point of I need to sort this lol. In the gym everything is great but outside that I’m constantly tired and could take a nap at any moment. I’ve tried stims but they give me insomnia and my hr gets a bit while im going to failure. I tried motsc didn’t really notice anything but I will try it stacked with other mitochondrial and atp peptides. And now I’m chugging coffee like water. Wondering if anyone has been able to mitigate gh fatigue at higher doses especially since I want to run it higher.


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[chadmack]

Drop dose & titrate up at slower rate typically reduced or eliminates most sides

 

[rylifts22]

I’ve been running 12iu growth pre bed for 3 months now give or take, but unlike my previous dose increases the lethargy doesn’t seem to go away and now it’s to the point of I need to sort this lol. In the gym everything is great but outside that I’m constantly tired and could take a nap at any moment. I’ve tried stims but they give me insomnia and my hr gets a bit while im going to failure. I tried motsc didn’t really notice anything but I will try it stacked with other mitochondrial and atp peptides. And now I’m chugging coffee like water. Wondering if anyone has been able to mitigate gh fatigue at higher doses especially since I want to run it higher.


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Honestly brother, lowering the gh dose was the only thing that helped.

I’ve ran it as high as you, and was exhausted all the time, falling asleep mid day, I’m prescribed adderall which I barely take ever anymore but when my dose was that high I had to use it just to even be able to half way function, and even with that, I was still fucking exhausted and lethargic.

Which if you know anything about adderall or have taken adderall even at therapeutic doses that’s rare to feel that way on lol.

Only thing that really mitigated the fatigue was going back down to 8 and even then I’d still feel that lethargy shitty feeling, so went back to 6 and 6 is my sweet spot.

Sometimes it’s just not worth it to be on compounds or doses of whatever if it’s effecting your everyday life quality, whether it be shitty sleep, mental health, lethargy whatever it maybe.

Don’t be afraid to drop back down and cruise on a lower dose for a bit. Esp if your quality of life is suffering bro.

When I push in a growth phase I’ll titrate it back up to 10ius for 4-6 months and deal with it but after that I’m coming back down everytime.

6-8 gives plenty of the same benefits without the exhaustion and lethargy etc.

Unless you trying to be 300lbs lean or already are, going from 12 to 8 or even 6, you’ll still see the benefits and less sides.

Just my two cents anyways.

 

[Nood]

Kind of comes with the territory but you can try splitting the dosage am/pm to see if it helps. Or am/pm and pre/post workout

 

[pc60quidting]

Honestly brother, lowering the gh dose was the only thing that helped.

I’ve ran it as high as you, and was exhausted all the time, falling asleep mid day, I’m prescribed adderall which I barely take ever anymore but when my dose was that high I had to use it just to even be able to half way function, and even with that, I was still fucking exhausted and lethargic.

Which if you know anything about adderall or have taken adderall even at therapeutic doses that’s rare to feel that way on lol.

Only thing that really mitigated the fatigue was going back down to 8 and even then I’d still feel that lethargy shitty feeling, so went back to 6 and 6 is my sweet spot.

Sometimes it’s just not worth it to be on compounds or doses of whatever if it’s effecting your everyday life quality, whether it be shitty sleep, mental health, lethargy whatever it maybe.

Don’t be afraid to drop back down and cruise on a lower dose for a bit. Esp if your quality of life is suffering bro.

When I push in a growth phase I’ll titrate it back up to 10ius for 4-6 months and deal with it but after that I’m coming back down everytime.

6-8 gives plenty of the same benefits without the exhaustion and lethargy etc.

Unless you trying to be 300lbs lean or already are, going from 12 to 8 or even 6, you’ll still see the benefits and less sides.

Just my two cents anyways.

In uk it’s hard to access Adderal but I’ve been using dexamphetamine recently which is one of the amphetamine salts in adderal and yea I still feel physically tired but I’m stimmed up so it evens me out but I get insomnia even at doses I don’t get stimulated. I’ve ordered a dual orexin receptor antagonist hopefully that will knock me on stims without the negative effects of Z drugs.


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[rylifts22]

Kind of comes with the territory but you can try splitting the dosage am/pm to see if it helps. Or am/pm and pre/post workout

Hell yeah bro

Love pre lift gh tbh, lol, went back to doing mine in the am strictly everyday cuz for some reason it started fucking with my sleep quality, and I use to do am years ago esp when it’s not a high dose, and rn I’m only on 4ius, getting ready to end my blast tomorrow and cruise,

but any how I do my Gh shot IM like 2 hours before my lift in the am. Love it. Pumps are insane. Just look way fuller and my sleep isn’t messed up from the gh anymore. Not sure why my sleep got fucked up to begin with by it cuz it use to give me amazing sleep but somewhere along the line it started making me wake up after 2/3 hours starving all the time and my rem sleep dropped dramatically and overall sleep quality tanked started seeing way more wake ups through out the night and my recovery dropped off a cliff as well because of it.

Funny how the body changes as we get older, what was once tolerable or brought benefits no longer does etc.

 

[pc60quidting]

Kind of comes with the territory but you can try splitting the dosage am/pm to see if it helps. Or am/pm and pre/post workout

I tried split dose couple times each time I would bang my workout then fucked off the rest of the day lol


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[rylifts22]

In uk it’s hard to access Adderal but I’ve been using dexamphetamine recently which is one of the amphetamine salts in adderal and yea I still feel physically tired but I’m stimmed up so it evens me out but I get insomnia even at doses I don’t get stimulated. I’ve ordered a dual orexin receptor antagonist hopefully that will knock me on stims without the negative effects of Z drugs.


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Yeah bro which is why I don’t really take my adderall anymore, I’m very similar in that regard, no matter how early I take it, insomnia follows, so I just gradually stopped using it over time, and just deal with my adhd issues without meds, I take it a couple times a month before my script is due for a refill to have it in my urinalysis test so I can keep getting the script but other than that, I prefer to go without it these days.

It helps and makes my day much easier and better but only for so long because the insomnia and lack of sleep starts adding up and then it’s counter productive.

 

[rylifts22]

I tried split dose couple times each time I would bang my workout then fucked off the rest of the day lol


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I’m curious to know what your Blood glucose readings are, cuz if it’s causing BG issues, that can def attribute to fatigue and lethargy as well, something to keep in mind.

 

[pc60quidting]

Yeah bro which is why I don’t really take my adderall anymore, I’m very similar in that regard, no matter how early I take it, insomnia follows, so I just gradually stopped using it over time, and just deal with my adhd issues without meds, I take it a couple times a month before my script is due for a refill to have it in my urinalysis test so I can keep getting the script but other than that, I prefer to go without it these days.

It helps and makes my day much easier and better but only for so long because the insomnia and lack of sleep starts adding up and then it’s counter productive.

Yea the lack of sleep builds up quickly for me since on stims I’m awake closing my eyes the whole night. I’ve started Donepazil today hopefully using it will warrant for a lower dexamp dose and use a sleep aid


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[pc60quidting]

I’m curious to know what your Blood glucose readings are, cuz if it’s causing BG issues, that can def attribute to fatigue and lethargy as well, something to keep in mind.

I’m using glargine aspart and empagliflozin rn so bg is in control but otherwise is consistently 140 fasted and and gets up to 230 post meal maybe I could try get insulin on script this way lol


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[Hablooblah]

I’ve been running 12iu growth pre bed for 3 months now give or take, but unlike my previous dose increases the lethargy doesn’t seem to go away and now it’s to the point of I need to sort this lol. In the gym everything is great but outside that I’m constantly tired and could take a nap at any moment. I’ve tried stims but they give me insomnia and my hr gets a bit while im going to failure. I tried motsc didn’t really notice anything but I will try it stacked with other mitochondrial and atp peptides. And now I’m chugging coffee like water. Wondering if anyone has been able to mitigate gh fatigue at higher doses especially since I want to run it higher.


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[Ckmeter]

I’m using glargine aspart and empagliflozin rn so bg is in control but otherwise is consistently 140 fasted and and gets up to 230 post meal maybe I could try get insulin on script this way lol


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Lethargy is expected at higher gh doses. I just bumped from 4 to 10 now that I’m back on an offseason cycle. I’m tired as fuck, but I’ll get used to it in a week or two.

Dosing preworkout also can cause lethargy. I recommend all of it before bed unless you’re doing it IM preworkout with rapid insulin. Even then, I’d do the majority of it before bed.

 

[pc60quidting]

This is why you’re lethargic. You need to be running insulin. Keep fasted under 100. You’re in diabetic territory my friend.

lethargy is expected at higher gh doses. I just bumped from 4 to 10 now that I’m back on an offseason cycle. I’m tired as fuck, but I’ll get used to it in a week or two. Control bg. Dosing preworkout with insulin is silly.

My wording was wrong I’ve been using lantus and novorapid around meals my fasted is 92-95 and post meal 115-135 but what I wrote is otherwise if I don’t use slin which i only check once a month


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[pc60quidting]

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I’ll try it with daridorexant once it lands but it gives me insomnia


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[Ckmeter]

My wording was wrong I’ve been using lantus and novorapid around meals my fasted is 92-95 and post meal 115-135 but what I wrote is otherwise if I don’t use slin which i only check once a month


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Sorry I corrected my post after responding. I was tired and misread.

 

[BackShot]

Hints

 

[JB4976]

Drop the dose, it's giving you a negative effect that's affecting your daily growth at the end of the day. It's not going to hurt to drop it down, trust me on that.

 

[pc60quidting]

Lethargy is expected at higher gh doses. I just bumped from 4 to 10 now that I’m back on an offseason cycle. I’m tired as fuck, but I’ll get used to it in a week or two.

Dosing preworkout also can cause lethargy. I recommend all of it before bed unless you’re doing it IM preworkout with rapid insulin. Even then, I’d do the majority of it before bed.

Yea I was doing 2 units into the delt pre after the w/o i could sleep walk


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[Hablooblah]

Drop the dose, it's giving you a negative effect that's affecting your daily growth at the end of the day. It's not going to hurt to drop it down, trust me on that.

Agreed. 12iu is crazy to me. Ive never gone above 8iu and IGF1 was uncomfortably high at that. If hes getting ready for a show I get it, but if hes not then its excessive imo

 

[pc60quidting]

Drop the dose, it's giving you a negative effect that's affecting your daily growth at the end of the day. It's not going to hurt to drop it down, trust me on that.

Yea im going to try mitrochondrial stacks and a few nootropics if nothing sustainable works ill have to


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[Ckmeter]

Agreed. 12iu is crazy to me. Ive never gone above 8iu and IGF1 was uncomfortably high at that. If hes getting ready for a show I get it, but if hes not then its excessive imo

Pretty common dose among big guys. Tbh I haven’t felt I’ve needed above 10iu, and I’m 280ish lean. I have no idea how big OP is, but who are you to say it’s excessive?

 

[Ckmeter]

Honestly brother, lowering the gh dose was the only thing that helped.

I’ve ran it as high as you, and was exhausted all the time, falling asleep mid day, I’m prescribed adderall which I barely take ever anymore but when my dose was that high I had to use it just to even be able to half way function, and even with that, I was still fucking exhausted and lethargic.

Which if you know anything about adderall or have taken adderall even at therapeutic doses that’s rare to feel that way on lol.

Only thing that really mitigated the fatigue was going back down to 8 and even then I’d still feel that lethargy shitty feeling, so went back to 6 and 6 is my sweet spot.

Sometimes it’s just not worth it to be on compounds or doses of whatever if it’s effecting your everyday life quality, whether it be shitty sleep, mental health, lethargy whatever it maybe.

Don’t be afraid to drop back down and cruise on a lower dose for a bit. Esp if your quality of life is suffering bro.

When I push in a growth phase I’ll titrate it back up to 10ius for 4-6 months and deal with it but after that I’m coming back down everytime.

6-8 gives plenty of the same benefits without the exhaustion and lethargy etc.

Unless you trying to be 300lbs lean or already are, going from 12 to 8 or even 6, you’ll still see the benefits and less sides.

Just my two cents anyways.

There is a noticeable difference in growth between 6, 8, and 10iu of gh in my experience. Is 10-12 necessary? Depends on your size and your goals.

 

[Hablooblah]

Pretty common dose among big guys. Tbh I haven’t felt I’ve needed above 10iu, and I’m 280ish lean. I have no idea how big OP is, but who are you to say it’s excessive?

Who am I to have a fucking opinion?! Or do you not understand acronyms? (IMO)IN MY OPINION And if your reading comprehension skills arent up to par ill reiterate for you, i said "if its for a show i get it" when you were running higher doses was it for a show, are you a competitor? Its worth it for competition, not the every day lifter. And im 6'1" 243 lbs im no tiny dude, there is no need IMFO for anyone not competing to run 12iu of growth. More sides then benefits. But again, just my humble fucking opinion.

 

[Wardamn]

At 12IUs its going to come with the territory.

A nap always helps, lol.

 

[Bolan]

Kind of comes with the territory but you can try splitting the dosage am/pm to see if it helps. Or am/pm and pre/post workout

This... Try breaking up your dose.

Currently running a bottle a day and I tapered up, will taper up to 20ius a day for the rest of the summer.....But If I do it in 1 big bolus... I'm the exact same way.... friggin tired all day. Brain fog n shit.

 

[Ckmeter]

Who am I to have a fucking opinion?! Or do you not understand acronyms? (IMO)IN MY OPINION And if your reading comprehension skills arent up to par ill reiterate for you, i said "if its for a show i get it" when you were running higher doses was it for a show, are you a competitor? It’s worth it for competition, not the every day lifter. And im 6'1" 243 lbs im no tiny dude, there is no need IMFO for anyone not competing to run 12iu of growth. More sides then benefits. But again, just my humble fucking opinion.

Yes, who are you to share your opinions, especially if you have no experience even running the specified dose. I don’t know who you are. I was writing you a thorough response, but honestly, post some physique pictures. Show me why anyone should take your opinion seriously. I hope you can back it up buddy!

How about growth hormone deficient kids? Their prescribed dose is 18iu of Serostim. There is no need for them to run it?

 

[Ckmeter]

Who am I to have a fucking opinion?! Or do you not understand acronyms? (IMO)IN MY OPINION And if your reading comprehension skills arent up to par ill reiterate for you, i said "if its for a show i get it" when you were running higher doses was it for a show, are you a competitor? Its worth it for competition, not the every day lifter. And im 6'1" 243 lbs im no tiny dude, there is no need IMFO for anyone not competing to run 12iu of growth. More sides than benefits. But again, just my humble fucking opinion.

And honestly, I don’t even understand the ambiguous phrase “if it’s for a show I get it”. I don’t have a show picked for the foreseeable future, as I’m in the offseason. Since im not prepping for a show, is there no reason for me to run 10iu of gh?

With that said, I agree with you. There is no reason an average gym goer should take 12iu of gh. In fact, I don’t think most competitors should/need to take more than 10iu of gh.

But I also don’t really think the average gym goer should necessarily use steroids, but that’s my controversial opinion.

 

[Ckmeter]

Agreed. 12iu is crazy to me. Ive never gone above 8iu and IGF1 was uncomfortably high at that. If hes getting ready for a show I get it, but if hes not then its excessive imo

Also, what is uncomfortably high for IGF1? Please enlighten me, as I’m not familiar with a direct relationship between high igf and discomfort. Is there a certain number on bloodwork where discomfort starts? Increlex/igf-1 doesn’t cause carpal tunnel or lethargy, so I find it extremely hard to believe high igf is the cause of any of your discomfort. High gh dosing sure — but that’s isn’t the same as igf1.

Unless you mean you were mentally scared of long term repercussions associated with having cranked igf1 levels from 8iu hgh.

 

[Hablooblah]

Ok let me read through your multiple long ass replies and respond.
By "uncomfortable IGF1 levels" I was referring to 500+ ng/ml and it being "uncomfortable" in regards to how I feel mentally due to the multitude of risks associated with excessively high IGF1 levels. If you need me to list them I will, insulin resistance, organ growth, cardiac issues, facial structure changes, sleep apnea, etc etc. I wasnt fucking saying it was physically uncomfortable and i think you know that you argumentative fuck. And "for a show i get it" meaning if it is a pro bodybuilder that competes then the risks taken are for a legitimate reason, its what they have dedicated themselves to. You talk all that fucking shit to me and twice you have ended it by fucking AGREEING with me that 12iu is too much for the average lifter. So wtf is really your problem, are you just bored and want to argue? Cause id rather not quite honestly. I have shit to do tonight. How about this, we agree that we agree. 12iu is too much for the average person, especially since the OP has already said hes having quality of life issues, and that lowering his dose down is the right move to make. And me and you just fuck off in different directions. Sound good?