How to mitigate gh lethargy

[Ckmeter]

Ok let me read through your multiple long ass replies and respond.
By "uncomfortable IGF1 levels" I was referring to 500+ ng/ml and it being "uncomfortable" in regards to how I feel mentally due to the multitude of risks associated with excessively high IGF1 levels. If you need me to list them I will, insulin resistance, organ growth, cardiac issues, facial structure changes, sleep apnea, etc etc. I wasnt fucking saying it was physically uncomfortable and i think you know that you argumentative fuck. And "for a show i get it" meaning if it is a pro bodybuilder that competes then the risks taken are for a legitimate reason, it’s what they have dedicated themselves to. You talk all that fucking shit to me and twice you have ended it by fucking AGREEING with me that 12iu is too much for the average lifter. So wtf is really your problem, are you just bored and want to argue? Cause id rather not quite honestly. I have shit to do tonight. How about this, we agree that we agree. 12iu is too much for the average person, especially since the OP has already said hes having quality of life issues, and that lowering his dose down is the right move to make. And me and you just fuck off in different directions. Sound good?

Still waiting on your physique pics! Show everyone how qualified you are!

Honestly man, I want you to humble yourself because of how offended you got when I asked who you were to tell someone they were taking too much gh without having any experience running that dose, without having any of your pics public, and without knowing more information about OP.

 

[Hablooblah]

Also, what is uncomfortably high for IGF1? Please enlighten me, as I’m not familiar with a direct relationship between high igf and discomfort. Is there a certain number on bloodwork where discomfort starts? Increlex/igf-1 doesn’t cause carpal tunnel or lethargy, so I find it extremely hard to believe high igf is the cause of any of your discomfort. High gh dosing sure — but that’s isn’t the same as igf1.

Unless you mean you were mentally scared of long term repercussions associated with having cranked igf1 levels from 8iu hgh.

Idk why youre all horned up coming after me for offering advice to lower the dose down, but like I said I have shit to do tonight, ill check back

Still waiting on your physique pics! Show everyone how qualified you are!

Honestly man, I want you to humble yourself because of how offended you got when I asked who you were to tell someone they were taking too much gh without having any experience running that dose, without having any of your pics public, and without knowing more information about OP.

Really hope you watch your mouth, as name calling outside of the pit is a bannable offense. I haven’t attacked you once, and you are incredibly triggered it’s comical. I simply asked what experience you had to criticize someone’s gh dosage.

No you're a troll. Plain and simple. Do you know any man that wouldnt be offended by someone telling them they dont have a right to an opinion? Youre acting like a douchebag. I dont care what you think of my physique and im not gonna be cornered into posting shit because you think I have to. Go fuck yourself. I look almost as good as you do, and I work 60+ hours a week and have no coach, built everything myself im proud af of the way i look. Ya you bitch ass troll you triggered me, as was your goal. Thats what trolls do. Look for ways to trigger ppl. But thats fine, we're all men, I can take the shit talking just like I give it. I ain't even mad at you. What I would appreciate tho is you not encourage ppl to run high ass doses of a compound thats effecting their quality of life. Have a good night brother, best of luck to ya.

 

[Ckmeter]

Idk why youre all horned up coming after me for offering advice to lower the dose down, but like I said I have shit to do tonight, ill check back
No you're a troll. Plain and simple. Do you know any man that wouldnt be offended by someone telling them they dont have a right to an opinion? Youre acting like a douchebag. I dont care what you think of my physique and im not gonna be cornered into posting shit because you think I have to. Go fuck yourself. I look almost as good as you do, and I work 60+ hours a week and have no coach, built everything myself im proud af of the way i look. Ya you bitch ass troll you triggered me, as was your goal. Thats what trolls do. Look for ways to trigger ppl. But thats fine, we're all men, I can take the shit talking just like I give it. I ain't even mad at you. What I would appreciate tho is you not encourage ppl to run high ass doses of a compound thats effecting their quality of life. Have a good night brother, best of luck to ya.

Because you’re giving advice on shit you do
Not have any experience with. You’re a fake!

Sick man, words mean nothing. You’re a troll behind your computer pretending to live a life you have no business in.

 

[Hablooblah]

Because you’re giving advice on shit you do
Not have any experience with. You’re a fake!

Sick man, words mean nothing. You’re a troll behind your computer pretending to live a life you have no business in.

Ya ok Why you bothering me then? Surely someone as esteemed as yourself has better things to do than argue with the likes of me. Im going NOWHERE motherfucker. Ill be right here, forever. And there won't be a single time that I give a fuck about your opinion.now go do as your coach says, you look great tho. Tell him good job.

 

[Hablooblah]

Because you’re giving advice on shit you do
Not have any experience with. You’re a fake!

Sick man, words mean nothing. You’re a troll behind your computer pretending to live a life you have no business in.

You must have some great gifts of perception that you can tell someone's a fake from 1 post. Seriously gifted.

 

[HFO4]

12ius is well outside my wheelhouse, I napped when I could years ago only using 5ius.

Adding stims to keep you awake, sounds/seems counterproductive to adding 12 ius to grow.

As Arnold once said “sleep faster” haha

Interested to hear the solution tho, goood luck man

 

[Ckmeter]

Ya ok Why you bothering me then? Surely someone as esteemed as yourself has better things to do than argue with the likes of me. Im going NOWHERE motherfucker. Ill be right here, forever. And there won't be a single time that I give a fuck about your opinion.now go do as your coach says, you look great tho. Tell him good job.

Keep editing your posts removing the names you’re calling me man. Unbelievable. Seems to be a trend based on your post history.

I am not esteemed. I’m a shitty amateur bodybuilder, second callouts at USAs to be exact. But I try to pay it forward and give advice on stuff that I have actual experience with.

 

[HFO4]

Hey bros, no need for low key name calling in this sub, save that for the pit. Thanks

 

[JB4976]

Yea im going to try mitrochondrial stacks and a few nootropics if nothing sustainable works ill have to


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Honestly, Mots C worked wonders for me. I have 2 20ml jugs of Nad+ dosed at 50mgs/ml buffered if you are interested. I'm not going to use them and they're just sitting in the fridge. They're from Kimera

 

[Hablooblah]

Keep editing your posts removing the names you’re calling me man. Unbelievable. Seems to be a trend based on your post history.

I am not esteemed. I’m a shitty amateur bodybuilder, second callouts at USAs to be exact. But I try to pay it forward and give advice on stuff that I have actual experience with.

I did edit it (2 words lol) because I regretted saying it, it was undeserved. Idk why youre set on picking a fight with me. i got, or rather had no issues with you. Tried squashing it and you just kept on. You hurled insult after insult my way for no reason. I live the same exact way you do, dedicating every second I have to this. Im no "fake" as you said but youre entitled to your opinion. And if you really checked my post history youd see 99% is me trying to help guys with issues I have some amount of knowledge on. Posting or not posting public pictures doesnt qualify or disqualify someone from offering advice. No I don't post pictures of myself on this site, doesnt seem like a good idea to me. Youre an ass to be sure, but youre not a shitty bodybuilder. I meant what I said the hard work you put in shows you do look good, second call outs at USAs is an accomplishment very few make. This ain't me backtracking, youre still an asshole in my book but you deserve the credit you're due. Good luck dude, stay healthy... @HFO4 sorry last time. Im done.

 

[Ckmeter]

I did edit it (2 words lol) because I regretted saying it, it was undeserved. Idk why youre set on picking a fight with me. i got, or rather had no issues with you. Tried squashing it and you just kept on. You hurled insult after insult my way for no reason. I live the same exact way you do, dedicating every second I have to this. Im no "fake" as you said but youre entitled to your opinion. And if you really checked my post history youd see 99% is me trying to help guys with issues I have some amount of knowledge on. Posting or not posting public pictures doesnt qualify or disqualify someone from offering advice. No I don't post pictures of myself on this site, doesnt seem like a good idea to me. Youre an ass to be sure, but youre not a shitty bodybuilder. I meant what I said the hard work you put in shows you do look good, second call outs at USAs is an accomplishment very few make. This ain't me backtracking, youre still an asshole in my book but you deserve the credit you're due. Good luck dude, stay healthy... @HFO4 sorry last time. Im done.

My issue is with people providing advice on doses and topics they don’t have experience with. You haven’t run 12iu. How can you provide any useful information on that dose? I can say I have run up to 14iu, and I do not go over 10 now.

I do not believe you live the same way I do. There are levels to this shit, and I don’t need to explain any further. Go look at my log if you need an explanation.

I was provoking you to see how far your ego would push you, and I’m disgusted frankly. Telling me to sit like a dog and obey my coach. Fuck you.

Have zero respect for you and others like you. Good luck.

 

[JB4976]

My issue is with people providing advice on doses and topics they don’t have experience with. You haven’t run 12iu. How can you provide any useful information on that dose? I can say I have run up to 14iu, and I do not go over 10 now.

I do not believe you live the same way I do. There are levels to this shit, and I don’t need to explain any further. Go look at my log if you need an explanation.

I was provoking you to see how far your ego would push you, and I’m disgusted frankly. Telling me to sit like a dog and obey my coach. Fuck you.

Have zero respect for you and others like you. Good luck.

I've ran up to 25ius and now at 12ius because it's working better for me from my experience doing this. I absolutely understand where you coming from brother.

 

[Hablooblah]

My issue is with people providing advice on doses and topics they don’t have experience with. You haven’t run 12iu. How can you provide any useful information on that dose? I can say I have run up to 14iu, and I do not go over 10 now.

I do not believe you live the same way I do. There are levels to this shit, and I don’t need to explain any further. Go look at my log if you need an explanation.

I was provoking you to see how far your ego would push you, and I’m disgusted frankly. Telling me to sit like a dog and obey my coach. Fuck you.

Have zero respect for you and others like you. Good luck.

Im done with this. Your ego is the issue here you domt know how to stfu. Youre like a little kid. Start shit and talk smack then someone does it to you and you cry victim Im sure you have plenty of issues in your life. Which explains how you act on here. Don't let your insecurities in yourself affect how you act to others. Thats disgusting. AGAIN, I try to squash it and you just keep on No ive never ran 12iu of growth BECAUSE I DONT NEED 12IU of growth. I never offered advice on running 12iu of growth, OP is having problems i agreed with someone elses post to lower dose and your warped convoluted mind felt challenged for some insane reason and you started an argument. You dont have to do stupid shit to know its stupid shit. We could do this all night and get nowhere man. I don't like you, you don't like me. Leave it there and fuck off somewhere.

 

[rylifts22]

There is a noticeable difference in growth between 6, 8, and 10iu of gh in my experience. Is 10-12 necessary? Depends on your size and your goals.

No I def agree with you which is why I mentioned unless you are trying to be 300 lean lol or basically already are or close too it, or even anywhere around 250 lean, it makes sense. No clue how big he is my self, but if he’s not a mass monster or on his way to be one, or isn’t aspiring to be one, 6-8 would do just fine esp if the side effects of higher doses are making life miserable, if it weren’t then sure run it as high as you can afford.


But to me, when side effects start outweighing the benefits and affecting your quality of life, it’s best to find another route to your destination or atleast lower the dose back to a place where those sides weren’t an issue etc.

It’s also just going to differ by the individual and their goals like you said , and how much they are willing to sacrifice or suffer to reach them, and how important the goal is to them and all that.

Too each their own of course.

 

[REHH]

Didn’t read all the posts so this probably already mentioned but the first two things I’d try. Usually at those levels of hgh you need insulin to control blood sugar and T3/T4 Thyroid supplementation to prevent going hypo.

 

[Jshredz]

I’ve been running 12iu growth pre bed for 3 months now give or take, but unlike my previous dose increases the lethargy doesn’t seem to go away and now it’s to the point of I need to sort this lol. In the gym everything is great but outside that I’m constantly tired and could take a nap at any moment. I’ve tried stims but they give me insomnia and my hr gets a bit while im going to failure. I tried motsc didn’t really notice anything but I will try it stacked with other mitochondrial and atp peptides. And now I’m chugging coffee like water. Wondering if anyone has been able to mitigate gh fatigue at higher doses especially since I want to run it higher.


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Drop the dose and reduce it to EOD shots until the symptoms get better.
As you titrate back up, since your taking one large dose split it half intramuscular the other half subcutaneous.
Also have you had bloodwork.
Could be T4 to T3 conversion or maybe glucose.

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[pc60quidting]

Honestly, Mots C worked wonders for me. I have 2 20ml jugs of Nad+ dosed at 50mgs/ml buffered if you are interested. I'm not going to use them and they're just sitting in the fridge. They're from Kimera

What dose where you running. I have a couple vials lying around aswell as some 5am1mq, I haven’t tried nad yet but I’ll probably stack all of them together with SLU and see how that goes

Regarding the Kimera Nad im in the uk, idk if thats a hassle for you to ship


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[pc60quidting]

Drop the dose and reduce it to EOD shots until the symptoms get better.
As you titrate back up, since your taking one large dose split it half intramuscular the other half subcutaneous.
Also have you had bloodwork.
Could be T4 to T3 conversion or maybe glucose.

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Last Thyroid panel was all in range but im getting bloods done soon again


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[WhiteApe]

But I also don’t really think the average gym goer should necessarily use steroids, but that’s my controversial opinion.

You trying to ruffle ALL the feathers today?

 

[Ckmeter]

Didn’t read all the posts so this probably already mentioned but the first two things I’d try. Usually at those levels of hgh you need insulin to control blood sugar and T3/T4 Thyroid supplementation to prevent going hypo.

I didn’t even think about t4 being a likely
Culprit. Before I got a prescription for t4 to take year round, I attempted to run gh at a decent dose without thyroxine, and I’d just get horrible brain fog and body fog. Just felt like I was constantly in a dream. Good fucking call man.

 

[JB4976]

What dose where you running. I have a couple vials lying around aswell as some 5am1mq, I haven’t tried nad yet but I’ll probably stack all of them together with SLU and see how that goes

Regarding the Kimera Nad im in the uk, idk if thats a hassle for you to ship


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Running 300mgs/week. I'll check and see what shipping will be. I'll DM and let you know when I get the time. If it's possible we'll work it out. I'll let you know brother

 

[REHH]

I didn’t even think about t4 being a likely
Culprit. Before I got a prescription for t4 to take year round, I attempted to run gh at a decent dose without thyroxine, and I’d just get horrible brain fog and body fog. Just felt like I was constantly in a dream. Good fucking call man.

Happened to me a few times, I’m permanently hypo from Lyme disease and my baseline has been worked out at 75mcg T4 ed to keep me in range, if I go over 4iu I have to start adding in T4/T3 or my levels go out of range.
I’ve seen the same thing in other people too backed up with lots of bloodwork, not guessing.

 

[Ckmeter]

Happened to me a few times, I’m permanently hypo from Lyme disease and my baseline has been worked out at 75mcg T4 ed to keep me in range, if I go over 4iu I have to start adding in T4/T3 or my levels go out of range.
I’ve seen the same thing in other people too backed up with lots of bloodwork, not guessing.

I actually discovered I needed t4 year round when my hair started falling out the one time we pulled it when I dropped down to trt lol. It’s wild how much of an impact thyroid has.

 

[chadmack]

 

[pc60quidting]

Running 300mgs/week. I'll check and see what shipping will be. I'll DM and let you know when I get the time. If it's possible we'll work it out. I'll let you know brother

Cheers brother

Was the dose spilt or bolus weekly


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[pc60quidting]

I didn’t even think about t4 being a likely
Culprit. Before I got a prescription for t4 to take year round, I attempted to run gh at a decent dose without thyroxine, and I’d just get horrible brain fog and body fog. Just felt like I was constantly in a dream. Good fucking call man.

Yea it’s like a daily battle to stay awake. thyroid panel booked ordering some t4 now


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[Bolan]

I run T-4 anytime I go past 8-10ius and I keep it low 200mcg on an empty stomach in the AM.....It gets me close to normal, but when I up it to 300mcg I fuckin shake all day.

 

[Ckmeter]

I run T-4 anytime I go past 8-10ius and I keep it low 200mcg on an empty stomach in the AM.....It gets me close to normal, but when I up it to 300mcg I fuckin shake all day.

I haven’t run over 100. I’m going to pull thyroid labs I think on cycle, as I’ve never actually seen my thyroid levels on more than 4iu of gh haha

 

[JB4976]

Cheers brother

Was the dose spilt or bolus weekly


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Split 3xs a week

 

[REHH]

I run T-4 anytime I go past 8-10ius and I keep it low 200mcg on an empty stomach in the AM.....It gets me close to normal, but when I up it to 300mcg I fuckin shake all day.

Too much if you get the shakes, your TSH has to be very low to get that.