I understand the idea behind it, but in most cases down regulation should be verified through bloodwork before adding thyroid hormones. I’d at least wait for fat loss to stall, but even then strategic refeeds, implementation of cheat meals, short diet breaks etc can be helpful. supplement with iodine, selenium, zinc and b vitamins for thyroid support.
Makes sense, thanks for the advice. I’ll probably hold off unless labs come back not great on the metabolism front. Going to meet with a doctor next week for panels.
Wow. If Clomid mono therapy necessitates that much AI then I have no idea what actual TRT would require, let alone a blast.
Good advice thanks for the response. I will hold off on clen and t3/4 for a later date when bf and weight is lower. I’ll probably run somewhere under 300 test for 12 weeks with 25 mg var for 8 weeks and a maybe a couple hundred masteron if everything is good after the var just to honestly be less bloated on vacation.
Yeah you’re probably right. I don’t expect the drugs to do magic I just don’t want to lose muscle on a large deficit. I’ve lost 110 lbs in a year when I was 18 natural and was in very good shape, but at 20 took a sketchy supplement that looking back must have been a pro hormone because immediately after I gained 90 lbs became depressed and dropped out of college along with my marriage suffering and just not wanting to be alive from 21-27. I was ignorant and had no idea why it happened until I went to the doctor when I couldn’t get my wife pregnant and found out I had 5 sperm and got told my test was 172 and I’d never be a father. (Have a son now) I’ve recomped a lot since getting my test to normal ranges again but this is honestly about feeling like myself again.Your getting to be on the right track I still would drop the var and masteron and 200mg will put you above average with a diet that will let you loose fat
but at the end of the day most people think the drugs are what does the most and it does in the correct conditions. but when you see someone else doing the most it doesnt mean that you are ready for it yet.
that being said your new idea is way better than it was
This is way better. It's easy to get carried away with all that is available. Bottom line, if it were me I would stick to TRT levels of test and focus on diet and training. Get blood work done 3-4 weeks in and adjust as necessary. At your body fat you might need an AI. Let your blood work dictate how much. In general, 0.5 mg once a week the day of or the day after your 200 mg TRT shot is enough to control estrogen and not crush your estrogen. You don't want to crush your estrogen. You will go flat. your joints will hurt and your dick won't get erect no mater what you do.
Yeah that does not sound like fun. It could already be happening honestly from the ai I’m prescribed. I’ve learned ed is almost all psychological anyway lol. I had 172 test for years and never once had ed, doctor couldn’t honestly believe it when I told him. After finding out though that I may never have kids dick literally went on vacation for three months just didn’t work at all lmao. Fixed now but just goes to show I guess.
No, it's not almost all psychological. It's very sensitive to hormone levels, especially estrogen.
The amount of test isn’t going to speed up your fat loss. I just dropped 40lbs in about 20 weeks with vacation in between and definitely some major slip ups. I have abs currently on 300mg test. Never added clen or anything else. 3iu of HGH. Added 25mg of anavar at the very end to help with low performance, no pump workouts.
you're getting a lot of good advice in this thread from a few guys that know how it's done and at the end the transformation is sustainable. Frankly, all the weight loss drugs only do their thing when everything else is dialed in and really the impact is usually marginal or mildly effective. But when in a bodybuilding prep period they are useful for getting the end of the cut in line.
Yes I understand what dieting is ty. You made a lot of assumptions that aren’t true also. And I’m not sure if you understand math or not but to lose 1 lb it’s 3500 calories and a -300 deficit would put me losing 2.5 lbs a month and at that rate it would take somewhere around 2 years to drop the weight I will be dropping in 14-16 weeks depending on how militant I am. I’m also very insulin sensitive. I lift weights eat clean already was just doing maintenance for a year on carnivore to build back some muscle before losing weight once my hormones were fixed from Clomid. But I digress, was looking for advice on peds not whatever this was supposed to be. Since the initial post I have ruled out fat burners until I weigh less and am just using aas to maintain muscle while dropping quickly. I never once thought I was taking a magic pill or was relying on the drugs to drop weight. I will suffer to lose weight like this and that’s fine doesn’t bother me.
You listed your intended drug use not me. Even in the above post you clearly emphesize you are interested primarily in drugs to do the job. I described what works. You don't seem to appreciate how the physiology works, what inflamation is, what your weight actually represents and that it is not 60 lbs of pure fat which must be burned off at a clip of 3500 kcals per lb. You behave as a petulant, insulting, spoiled child wanting affirmation on your plan. About my understanding or mathematics, I have advanced degrees in biomedicine and chemistry and run a lab that produces peer reviewed published research in the physical chemistry domain. Since you have it figured out for yourself I will no longer respond to your cries for help. A parting thought for you to contemplate: A calorie is not a calorie. A calorie is a measure of how much heat is created by combustion in a Bomb Calorimeter, that is burning a substance to ash. That is what a calorie is. It has only a tenuous relationship to nutrition. So since you cling to the notion that a calorie is a calorie eat 3000 kcal of wood and see if that helps. Since math is all you need and what the math models is inconsequential to you I'm sure you will do just fine. Good luck.
You pretty much got this part down perfectly now. You should make a post stating you got the feedback you needed and you no longer need further “advice”. As to prevent unnecessary discussion.
What most of us are trying to get at is you don't have to be in a large deficit to lose a ton of weight when you are over 30% bf. Get in a modest deficit with appropriate macros, train hard, do cardio and might actually put on some tissue if things are dialed in for a period of it. It's a marathon, not a sprint. If you are concerned about hormones just make sure blood work (testosterone levels) are sufficient ad the weight will fly off. The gear use will be sitting there ready for when it's time to grow. AND at that pint you will have built up a great experience based in all aspects of the synergy between everything and how you specifically respond.
Once again you state common knowledge. You can literally go fuck yourself at this point. I don’t care if you make fucking compound v in your lab it doesn’t change just how basic nutrition really is or your wild assumptions about how you think you understand my body more than I do. You don’t need advanced degrees to learn what you could in 30 seconds on google dork. Never asked for your horrendous diet advice in the first place thought you would take the hint but I guess your shallow pride wouldn’t allow you to be corrected because of your fragile little ego and false sense of superiority.
Update * Not looking for more advice. I appreciate those of you who took the time to respond and not just laugh at me being ignorant. If you’re curious I’ve changed the plan to only test 250/week and ipamorelin+cjc-1295. Maybe add masteron or anavar after lab work at the 8th week if everything is good. But only 1 added at a time per 8 weeks at the earliest.
