Dirty or clean bulk

[Tron]

This might be impossible to answer but I'm looking for some advice from people in the community here on whether I should go all out for a bulk then cut or to manage macros around maintenance for a "clean" bulk.

32 years old
6' 2"
205 lb
~16% bf

This isn't the heaviest I've been but def the fastest. Typically been a hard gainer but dad bod is coming on strong. Maybe it's cortisol or stress at work but I'm holding more fat in the midsection than ever before.

Should I eat for maintenance and try to grow at the same time or just go big and cut after??

Thanks

 

[REHH]

If you're already at 16% then clean bulk

Get bloodwork, check test and thyroid,

 

[Tron]

Thank you sir. Makes sense to me!

Do you believe recomp is possible? Test only 500/wk

Would you recommend diet at maintenance or surplus? And how much cardio?

Thank you, appreciate the help

 

[REHH]

Thank you sir. Makes sense to me!

Do you believe recomp is possible? Test only 500/wk

Would you recommend diet at maintenance or surplus? And how much cardio?

Thank you, appreciate the help

Definitely can recomp with test only. Keep diet at maintenance. I would add in hgh, t3, and clenbuterol. 500mg test a week is fine. Do as much cardio as you can or need to. For me I max at about 30min 3-5x a week, but that's all I need. I start at 15min then work up from there. Adjust diet, cardio as needed to get desired effect.

 

[Jswole220]

Definitely can recomp with test only. Keep diet at maintenance. I would add in hgh, t3, and clenbuterol. 500mg test a week is fine. Do as much cardio as you can or need to. For me I max at about 30min 3-5x a week, but that's all I need. I start at 15min then work up from there. Adjust diet, cardio as needed to get desired effect.

when using hgh I would highly suggest using t4 instead of t3. I believe it was vision who posted some really good information on this subject maybe he can chime in and explain it for us again.

 

[Tall Deck]

when using hgh I would highly suggest using t4 instead of t3. I believe it was vision who posted some really good information on this subject maybe he can chime in and explain it for us again.

Or perhaps he can use both. Some thyroid patients are prescribed both, and some sources even sell compounds which have both T3 and T4. Just a thought. BTW, I missed Vision's article that you made mention of.

 

[REHH]

Or perhaps he can use both. Some thyroid patients are prescribed both, and some sources even sell compounds which have both T3 and T4. Just a thought. BTW, I missed Vision's article that you made mention of.

Exactly wife and I take both year round, hers is custom compounded at the pharmacy

 

[Abombs]

If you're already at 16% then clean bulk

Get bloodwork, check test and thyroid,

Agree with everyones post regarding that and Def agree with REHH on the bloods this way you aren't adding either one unless the labs tell u too

 

[XOTG85]

You can recomp on 250mg test if your diet is clean and you really push yourself. You won’t be massive but you can get in respectable shape.

 

[Glycomann]

I don't think I've ever seen a successful dirty bulk. Usually just leads to water retention and fat assery.

 

[Tron]

Definitely can recomp with test only. Keep diet at maintenance. I would add in hgh, t3, and clenbuterol. 500mg test a week is fine. Do as much cardio as you can or need to. For me I max at about 30min 3-5x a week, but that's all I need. I start at 15min then work up from there. Adjust diet, cardio as needed to get desired effect.

I like the sound of this. I've never tried to lose a pound until now so hgh t3/t4 clen are things I don't know enough about and not something I'm going to mess with until I feel confident i do, especially thyroid meds.

What kind of dosages are we talking? 3 iu gh enough? I have no idea where to start with t3, can anyone link that post by vision? Im not seeing it.

 

[Oldman85]

For me, only and always, clean. I’ve been fat far too much of my life. No need to make it worse.

 

[REHH]

I like the sound of this. I've never tried to lose a pound until now so hgh t3/t4 clen are things I don't know enough about and not something I'm going to mess with until I feel confident i do, especially thyroid meds.

What kind of dosages are we talking? 3 iu gh enough? I have no idea where to start with t3, can anyone link that post by vision? Im not seeing it.

I wasn't saying you needed to take all three, just those are ones to consider to help loose fat. If never used hgh you only need 2-3iu 5-7x a week. I was suggesting bloodwork before you go on cycle to check for low test or low thyroid problems which can cause gains in bodyfat. But it is a good idea to supplement with some thyroid while using hgh because it often will slow the thyroid down some amount. I would suggest 25mcg t4 or 12.5mcg t3 as a starting dose.

 

[gdawg]

I’ve tried to really pack it on. I went from 195 ish to close to 235 just pounding food wanting to put on weight . In the end when I cut back down I was at square 1 .... 200lbs see pic to left . I mean yes you have to eat to put on size but now I’d like to gain 5 of muscle the clean way all day every day .

 

[malfeasance]

This might be impossible to answer but I'm looking for some advice from people in the community here on whether I should go all out for a bulk then cut or to manage macros around maintenance for a "clean" bulk.

32 years old
6' 2"
205 lb
~16% bf

This isn't the heaviest I've been but def the fastest. Typically been a hard gainer but dad bod is coming on strong. Maybe it's cortisol or stress at work but I'm holding more fat in the midsection than ever before.

Should I eat for maintenance and try to grow at the same time or just go big and cut after??

Thanks

At 16%, I would not do either. I would cut down to 8% then consider how to bulk without adding so much damn fat. The steroids will work better that way, too.

 

[Tron]

At 16%, I would not do either. I would cut down to 8% then consider how to bulk without adding so much damn fat. The steroids will work better that way, too.

Im honestly leaning this route. Can I get your input on the best way to get there?

 

[malfeasance]

Yes, of course. Keep weight training. Increase the intensity.

Step one - post your diet in the Diet and Nutrition section, along with your stats (height weight, bodyfat percentage, steroid cycle history, etc) and ask for input on changes. You will get a lot of input from the persons posting.

Or just track your calories on MyFitnessPal, lower the calories by about 300 a day, wait a week and see what happens. If you don't lose two pounds, then the next week, pull out another 300 calories daily. Keep doing this until you lose two pounds in a week. Once you start dropping two pounds a week, just keep steady and consistent daily. If you stall, then pull out another 300 calories until you begin progressing again. Cardio helps, too.

Keep protein at about 200 grams daily while dropping calories. Don't count protein powders (the labels lie).

Don't eat processed food.

Make your own food from raw ingredients.

Get your protein from eggs, liquid egg whites, and meat (chicken, fish, beef, bison, turkey, etc.).

Don't eat crap. Fast food, fried chicken, etc.

Get your carbs from rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, oats (Old Fashioned Quaker, not processed sugar packets of instant crap).

Get your fats from egg yolks, olive oil, nuts, fish, and meat, but watch the intake, as fats have 9 calories per gram.

Don't eat vegetable oil, corn oil, soybean oil, and other chemistry experiments. (See above, don't eat crap. See above, don't eat processed food). Read the ingredients before you eat.

Limit sugars. This means don't drink milk (loaded with sugar). A glass of milk, and a PB&J sandwich? Sugar in the bread, sugar in the peanut butter, sugar in the milk. Not just sugar in the jelly.

Raw foods. Eggs are easy to cook. So are baker Old Fashioned Oats. They take five minutes. The instant shit takes one, but is not the same. The four minutes is worth it. Chicken is easy to prepare. Don't forget veggies. Veggies should be broccoli, asparagus, or spinach.

Salads are ok. BUT WATCH OUT FOR SALA DRESSING. Lots of unhealthy fats, e.g., vegetable oil. Lots of calories. I sometimes make my own with olive oil spices.

Don't forget to track little things in MyFitnessPal. Butter used to cook? Some of that is in your food, and you are eating it. Track it. Salad dressing? Track it.

Two pounds a week. Adjust as necessary.