Clomid and nolva

[MonsterMaker]

I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around the differences between the two and which one is more appropriate for either during a cycle or for pct.

Can clomid be used for the entire cycle to prevent estrogen problems such as gyno or is that only for nolva? If it can be used during the cycle can you continue to use afterwards for pct?

Can nolva be used for pct in place of clomid?

 

[stephenkelly]

Nolva and Clomid are two completely different things and can not be used in place of one another.

Do some more research but to answer your question simply clomid is not an AI. Clomid should be taken during pct. Nolva is good to use for gyno suppression.

There’s a lot more on these subjects in threads.


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[Vision]

I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around the differences between the two and which one is more appropriate for either during a cycle or for pct.

Can clomid be used for the entire cycle to prevent estrogen problems such as gyno or is that only for nolva? If it can be used during the cycle can you continue to use afterwards for pct?

Can nolva be used for pct in place of clomid?

Tamoxifen (Nolvadex)
History: Originally released by Astra Zeneca, Tamoxifen was indicated in the treatment of both female breast cancer and infertility, although it has been prescribed for variety of off-label uses over the years. Currently, it is the most popular treatment option for male breast cancer and is still widely used in women for the same purpose.
Method of Administration: Nolvadex is administered in oral form.
Drug Class: Secretive Estrogen Receptor Modulator (S.E.R.M).
Primary Use: Nolvadex’s primary use is for the prevention/treatment of gynecomastia, as well as post-cycle therapy (PCT). While anti-estrogens are ideal for the prevention of gynecomastia (as they do not reduce IGF-1 levels), Nolvadex is the first line of defense for those who are already experiencing symptoms. With Nolvadex possessing a stronger binding affinity than estrogen and attaching directly to receptor sites within breast tissue, it is able to immediately stop gyno in its tracks. After symptoms have been arrested, one can employ an anti-estrogen in order to keep symptoms at bay. When it comes to PCT, Nolvadex can be employed in the same manner as Clomid, as both are effective for elevating testosterone levels and restoring sperm count & motility.
Anabolic-Androgenic Ratio: N/A.
Aromatizable: No. Exhibits anti-estrogenic activity.
Progestagenic Activity: No.
Methylated: No.
Standard Dosing Range and Cycle Length: Nolvadex is most commonly administered at a dosage of 10-20 mg per day when being used for the prevention/treatment of gynecomastia, for as long as symptoms persist. When used for PCT, it is most commonly administered at a dosage of 20-40 mg per day for a period of 4-6 weeks.
Frequency of Administration: Daily use; administered in a single daily dose.


Nolvadex
Nolvadex is one of the most well known anti-estrogens. It is also one of the oldest and most popular medications for breast cancer victims, which is the text book clinical use for this drug. Nolvadex is actually a weak estrogen and will bind to the estrogen receptor. The receptor is then occupied and when the normal and stronger estrogen floats by the receptor, it has no where to “park”. This is what we have defined as the classic second line inhibitor. Second line, because we are allowing estrogen to be produced, we are just blocking it at the receptor. For male usage, nolvadex is a good drug of choice to use for ant-bloating and to control gyno if you are not particularly susceptible to these estrogenic side effects. If you are not and just need minor control, 20mg per day is probably enough to keep the majority of water off and your nips from being sensitive. If you are susceptible, you may need a stronger ant-estrogen, or may need to combine nolvadex with another anti-estrogenic drug, or may need a much higher dosage of nolvadex (probably closer to 40mg/day).
There is some literature out there that states nolvadex having better leutinizing (testosterone stimulating) properties than clomid. This is with respect to post cycle recovery and jump starting your natural testosterone. Personally, amongst all my friends and colleagues, I have not found this to be true. With respect to post cycle recovery of natural testosterone production clomid is definitely more effective.

Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid)
History: Approved by the FDA in 1967 for the treatment of female infertility, Clomid has since become the most well known fertility medication in the world. Although technically considered off-label use, Clomid subsequently saw success in the treatment of male infertility, as well. Today, it is the most prescribed fertility drug in the world for both sexes.
Method of Administration: Clomid is administered in oral form.
Drug Class: S.E.R.M. (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator).
Primary Use: Clomid’s primary use is that of a post-cycle recovery agent, although some have used it to help reduce estrogenic side effects when on-cycle; a use for which it is not well-suited. When it comes to post cycle recovery (PCT), Clomid is one of the best drugs is a BB’rs arsenal. Not only has it been clinically proven to bring testosterone levels back into a normal range, but it is the single most effective drug for restoring sperm count & motility. For those who engage in PCT, Clomid is considered basic stock, being properly included in any well-rounded recovery program.
Anabolic-Androgenic Ratio: N/A.
Aromatizable: No. Exhibits anti-estrogenic activity.
Progestagenic Activity: No.
Methylated: No.
Standard Dosing Range and Cycle Length: Clomid is most commonly administered at a dosage of 50-100 mg per day for a period of 4-6 weeks.
Frequency of Administration: Daily use; administered in a single daily dosage.

Clomid
As we’ve stated above, clomid is more effective at restoring natural testosterone production. Everything you read about these two drugs seems to offer the same info. I will afford you with something different. For anti-estrogen protection, nolvadex is probably a little stronger. Its chemical structure makes for a slightly more potent anti-estrogen. I have yet to see any quality literature which describes the affinity for either drug at the estrogen receptor. Clomid after all, is also a weak estrogen. Another term used to classify clomid and nolvadex is “competitive inhibitor”. They are so called due to the fact that they are weak estrogens and actually bind to the receptor. By doing this they are competing for the “parking spot” in the receptor, thereby occupying the space when the truer, stronger estrogen comes along. Its like being at the local mall and having someone pull around the isle, cut you off and take your spot. In a sense they just “competed” with you for your spot and “inhibited” you from taking it. Got it? Good. See this stuff is simple, my fellow friends and athletes.
The literature also fails to describe exactly why clomid works more efficiently as a leutinizer. Even in the medical literature, the drug is primarily used for fertility purposes for both males and females. This means clomid has value in stimulating the pituitary in both men and women. Clomid is used on a five day course in order to stimulate ovulation in the female in order to enable fertilization. There is not a fertility doctor in the world that doesn’t know what clomid is. It is a drug that has always been in their toolbox. Part of the reason is, it works. The literature is less extensive for fertility cases in the male but know that it is indeed used for this purpose. Now, as much as I am all for underground self taught knowledge, we have to hand it to the medical professionals for specific cases. For example, if nolvadex were a better leutinizer, it would be the drug of choice in fertility clinics for stimulating ovulation in the female and for aiding fertility and motility of sperm in the male. Simple fact is that this is not the case. Save your self time and frustration by using a medically time tested drug for your post cycle recovery of testosterone. For recovery of your natural test, use clomid.

 

[zionoir626]

Still looking for that email Vis..
Yeah bud..need to put some time in and learn more about the compounds that keep your butt out of a sling..ie...AI's..PCT

 

[MonsterMaker]

Still looking for that email Vis..
Yeah bud..need to put some time in and learn more about the compounds that keep your butt out of a sling..ie...AI's..PCT

I’m trying brother. Reading up every day, asking questions, etc... I haven’t even put in an order yet because I want to make sure I’m well versed in what I’m doing and getting....

 

[GYMnTONIC]

Clomid is what you want for PCT.

That is your powerhouse.

25-50mgs ED is prescribed as HRT even and you can stay on for months at a time and it will also keep you at a higher T and free T level naturally with no suppression.

The Nolva is going to handle any Estrogen at the cellular level, so the combo of Clom and Nolva during PCT is very common.

 

[zionoir626]

Tonic you are probably more on this than most...I thought I read that Nova doesn't work well on Deca??
Being old as dirt..I tend to forget stuff if I don't use it..Anyway some insight on the whole Nova Deac thing would be helpful..

 

[MonsterMaker]

Clomid is what you want for PCT.

That is your powerhouse.

25-50mgs ED is prescribed as HRT even and you can stay on for months at a time and it will also keep you at a higher T and free T level naturally with no suppression.

The Nolva is going to handle any Estrogen at the cellular level, so the combo of Clom and Nolva during PCT is very common.

Ya my trt dr prescribed me 25mg clomid 3X week and .5 armidex once a week to take with my test.... I’ll just holding on to the clomid for pct. not sure what to do with the armidex yet.

FYI I won’t be following through with follow ups I just wanted a legit script incase anyone gets in my business. I will probably go back after I run my cycle though to be reassessed for trt...