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Cardarine feedback?

What makes you think I'm running on fumes over here, intellectually speaking? I'm just curious to know what sparked this wild goose chase of a notion?

Now if you believe that, I'm confident that A sombrero would fit your head like dematise.

I'm baffled why you're clinging to this like a bad habit or trying to turn it into some kind of showdown, but if that's your jam, let's recap: I've repeatedly shown you're off the mark, your arguments are like a house of cards, and your go-to move is citing dodgy animal studies or research from places with more legal issues than a lawyer's client list. Do you really think I'm here for that circus? 😂
Not at all vision I like you. But you kind of dismissed some very strong points I laid out that have standing. As for the studies all we have are rodent studies. Like I stated before there was a very short very small human study that showed improvements in cholesterol. Unfortunately 1 15 day human study is meaningless. That would be like a 15 day human study on tobacco or alcohol. Everything would more than likely be in range.

All we have are rodent studies, and human cell line studies. All of the rodent studies showed cancer, all the human cell line studies showed cancer. This is what we have to work with.

No showdown don’t take this the wrong way, but I beleive you did a bad job refuting any of my points. I’m not saying this to be argumentative that’s not my goal. My goal is to get people to stop taking it.

But what I will do is compile everything I have, and I’ll make a thread.

This thread will show the notorious mice studies

The field mice studies (not susceptible to rapid cancer)

The human cell line cancer studies

A break down on angiogenesis

A breakdown on ppar, its functions, and why it promotes tumor growth (with over expression of course)

But I will also go over the many benefits of GW as well. I typically don’t parade myself around as being some sort of arbiter of truth. But I am probably one of the most studied persons on the forum on this compound specifically. I have been on both sides of the argument. I have genuinely spent over 100 hours reading everything there is to know not only about cardarine but about ppar and its functions. I feel so strongly about this because I know the excellent benefits it’s brings and I was able to use it with great success. I ran a full marathon on it at 194 lbs. I was once in love with the compound but that cancer study ate away at me.

I’m not saying I have proof that it 100% causes cancer it humans. I’m saying I have evidence to show that the odds are good that it probably does.

So when my write ups down I encourage you to challenge any of the points I make in the new thread, I have a very busy life right now and it will take some time. But when it’s done I’ll be sure to tag you first. Like I said before Cardarine had a very special place in my heart, and it was extremely difficult for me to look past a confirmation bias and break up with the idea that it’s safe.

This is all love my man, but this one I don’t think I’m wrong on.
 
I hold you in high esteem, brother, and value our relationship built on respect and open dialogue. Though we may agree or disagree, our exchanges often lead to new insights. Nevertheless, in this particular case, I must correct you - your facts are inaccurate, especially those I brought to your attention (highlighted in your quotation)✔️✔️✔️
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This concept has been discussed in many online forums for a long time, but it is often misunderstood.😮‍💨

This was first tested on research rodents that are genetically engineered to be highly susceptible to cancer and have a maximum lifespan of three years, the WISTAR rat.🐀🐁⌛⏲️

This specific rodent is an outbred stock, used in all fields of medical and biological research.
Its longevity and high rate of spontaneous tumours make it an ideal choice for ageing studies..🚫

This translation is they are extremely sensitive and prone with getting tumors and displaying cancer growth at excessive rates, with a vast majority of drugs, chemicals and other compounds, the majority of them will develop cancer anyway, however these rodents are used because the younger models will show a much faster on set compared to the older models that eventually developed cancer and Will ultimately soon expire.🐀🐁☠️💀🥀

With these animal models, the dosages varied considerably, however, the majority that received some of the lowest dosages were equivalent to 45-50mg in human use, furthermore the studies that were conducted in some of these rats were for long durations with long exposure..🗓️⏱️

Now the recreational use in human beings is 10-20mg..💪

This research since has and was moved on to humans but not right after it was abandoned and discontinued on the animal models, with that being said humans were given 10mg with displaying almost zero negative or adverse effects..

It would be literally impossible to pinpoint who has developed cancer since, Yet people are developing cancer at an alarming rate for many things, and a lot of these people have never heard of cardarine nor is it even remotely near their lifestyle..🤷‍♂️

The testing in these animal models is greatly flawed.🤦
Now the probability with the potentials of people getting cancer, it will be foolish to say that it could never happen, Yet there it still lacks concrete evidence that it's likely, with that being said it's simply speculated and slim to nil..

This is something that basically comes down to user beware, people should use it at respectable dosages, specifically 10mgs and only for short durations.👨‍⚕️

People get wrapped up in these cancer studies and they run from this compound, as if it's the erupting volcano of Pompeii.🌋 Yet a good portion of these people don't pull blood work, and they're running compounds that have their RBC through the roof and their blood is thick as ragu sauce.🥫🍅
Thank you My friend. Straight forward and I appreciate your post.
 
I want to thank everyone on this post for the info. Great group of individuals with years of knowledge. I respect and thank you all
For your valuable feedback to the community.
Much respect my brothers.
 
MOTS-C, did you lose fat / weight while taking it?

What was your experience like?
No, that wasn't the goal for me with MOTS-C. It was mitochondrial health benefits. I noticed if I took it 30-45 min prior to workouts, I had increased endurance and focus. I take 7.5mg before every workout. I cycle on and off with it and SS31.

I didn't notice any fat loss or increased endurance with Cardarine.
 
No, that wasn't the goal for me with MOTS-C. It was mitochondrial health benefits. I noticed if I took it 30-45 min prior to workouts, I had increased endurance and focus. I take 7.5mg before every workout. I cycle on and off with it and SS31.

I didn't notice any fat loss or increased endurance with Cardarine.
Good to know thanks
 

Known side effects include bacterial sepsis, viral meningitis, invasive fungal disease and progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy (PML), a brain infection caused by reactivation of latent JC virus infection.Four cases of PML were reported in plaque psoriasis patients, an incidence of approximately one in 500 treated patients.

Due to the risk of PML, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recommend suspension from the market in the European Union and the United States, respectively.


this was fda approved at one point. then the fda said whoopsie and took it down. lol


more fda approved whoopsies

even in 2007 fda wasnt trusted lol

 
I love Cardarine. I was going through Strate Labs to get my Cardarine and was amazed at being able to keep at 80% of my max HR for 30 min plus nonstop. Need to switch to sourcing my Cardarine from a UGL here although I just haven't looked into it as hard as i should be.

Also as a wrestling coach this helps me keep up with the kids who stay in much better cardiovascular shape. Nothing like your pride on the line feeling like you're gonna throw up wrestling kid after kid.
 
How is this "Super Cardarine" Compared to the GW-50516<? type?
@Wiseguy
 
How is this "Super Cardarine" Compared to the GW-50516<? type?
@Wiseguy
I posted a detailed log for @Vision on PSL. It was amazing. I am not sure if it was mental or real but did feel that extra little drive. Blood work after showed total cholesterol at 170 while on Test/Mast/Tren and Var which is remarkable.
The great thing about GW is there is no crash, withdraw, stomach issues and so on. At least speaking for myself there has never been any. They are both great products and you can't go wrong with either.

Anyway that extra energy feeling again could have been anything I can't honestly tell you it was the super cardarine but I killed cardio on it. Ran faster, longer and after one hour I was ready to do it again.
 
Here is the detailed log I did on it.

 

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