Cardarine feedback?

[Mogainz20]

Hey guys what’s your thoughts or reviews on cardarine? I was thinking about using 20mg daily before fasted cardio for the last 4 weeks of my diet phase. I wanted some feedback on what you’ve experienced with it? Does it impact strength negatively? Any feedback would be appreciated as I’ve never used this before. Thanks!

 

[aimanabolic]

Hey guys what’s your thoughts or reviews on cardarine? I was thinking about using 20mg daily before fasted cardio for the last 4 weeks of my diet phase. I wanted some feedback on what you’ve experienced with it? Does it impact strength negatively? Any feedback would be appreciated as I’ve never used this before. Thanks!

I used @GYMnTONIC mix and it was high quality.

We have some at AAS Direct as well, unmixed.

I would say it worked, but there are mixed studies on Cardarine so be sure to do your own research and make sure it's worth trying.

 

[Meetketchup]

If you are already lean and on low calories looking to get shredded, Cardarine is great. If you aren't lean. Diet down.

 

[GasmanX]

If you are already lean and on low calories looking to get shredded, Cardarine is great. If you aren't lean. Diet down.

What dose do you find effective?

 

[Battousai]

Good for increased cardio output. I'm using it now.

 

[Meetketchup]

What dose do you find effective?

You don't need a lot. It's really for when you need energy when cals are stupid low.

Prep I start at 10mg and bump to 15mg. No real advantage going over 15mg in my experience.

 

[Wiseguy]

Hey guys what’s your thoughts or reviews on cardarine? I was thinking about using 20mg daily before fasted cardio for the last 4 weeks of my diet phase. I wanted some feedback on what you’ve experienced with it? Does it impact strength negatively? Any feedback would be appreciated as I’ve never used this before. Thanks!

IMO one of the best kept secrets since creatine. I use it regularly and do one hour of cardio 7 days a week without any issues. It works great reducing cholesterol as well.
I’ve used PSL for years.
Reach out to @Vision or any member of his team. Great company, product and very knowledgeable staff.

 

[JACKED_]

It caused rapid cancer growth in 100% of the rodents it was tested on, was considered extremely carcinogenic and genotoxic as well as mutanogenic by GSK one of the biggest pharma companies out there. My issue is that the compound works and is extremely effective, why would this company throw away billions of dollars on a product that can cure diabetes if they weren’t extremely afraid of the toxic outcomes? The mice typically lived 33-36 months without Cardarine, 100% of them developed rapid cancer and died between week 6-12 this includes liver and pancreatic carcinomas.

Do you want to take something that has a 100% mortality rate in the animal studies? Do you know how many pharma products don’t have a 100% mortality rate in the rodent models? All of the approved ones.

Some idiot on the internet that couldn’t do math said but hey! The human equivalent dose is like 200mgs! No one takes that! Well I couldn’t do the math either, so I did some studying. Here is the actual human equivalent based on the 3mg/kg doses given to the rodents that killed 100% of them. Based on an 80kg male

Assuming we have an 80 kg man that we are using for this calculation, we get the following result:

Human Equivalent Dose = (3) × (0.509/80)(1–0.67)

Human Equivalent Dose = (3) x (0.0063625)(0.33)

Human Equivalent Dose = 3 x 0.18845044723

The human equivalent dose, once you break down the calculation comes out to 0.5653513417 mg/kg.

Once you multiply that and factor in the bodyweight of an 80 kg human male, you get 45.2281073363 mg.

So let’s say your 100kg, human equivalent dose would be around 52mgs.

Sure humans only take 10-20 so about half of the dose that causes pancreatic and liver cancer rapidly. Don’t take this shit, diet and cardio. Shit Clen and GH. Literally anything besides this poison

The following equation is used to calculate what that dosage would equate to in humans:

HED (mg / kg = Animal NOAEL mg/kg) × (Weightanimal [kg]/Weighthuman [kg])(1–0.67)

Edit: I had to do it, sorry guys

 

[Wiseguy]

It caused rapid cancer growth in 100% of the rodents it was tested on, was considered extremely carcinogenic and genotoxic as well as mutanogenic by GSK one of the biggest pharma companies out there. My issue is that the compound works and is extremely effective, why would this company throw away billions of dollars on a product that can cure diabetes if they weren’t extremely afraid of the toxic outcomes? The mice typically lived 33-36 months without Cardarine, 100% of them developed rapid cancer and died between week 6-12 this includes liver and pancreatic carcinomas.

Do you want to take something that has a 100% mortality rate in the animal studies? Do you know how many pharma products don’t have a 100% mortality rate in the rodent models? All of the approved ones.

Some idiot on the internet that couldn’t do math said but hey! The human equivalent dose is like 200mgs! No one takes that! Well I couldn’t do the math either, so I did some studying. Here is the actual human equivalent based on the 3mg/kg doses given to the rodents that killed 100% of them. Based on an 80kg male

Assuming we have an 80 kg man that we are using for this calculation, we get the following result:

Human Equivalent Dose = (3) × (0.509/80)(1–0.67)

Human Equivalent Dose = (3) x (0.0063625)(0.33)

Human Equivalent Dose = 3 x 0.18845044723

The human equivalent dose, once you break down the calculation comes out to 0.5653513417 mg/kg.

Once you multiply that and factor in the bodyweight of an 80 kg human male, you get 45.2281073363 mg.

So let’s say your 100kg, human equivalent dose would be around 52mgs.

Sure humans only take 10-20 so about half of the dose that causes pancreatic and liver cancer rapidly. Don’t take this shit, diet and cardio. Shit Clen and GH. Literally anything besides this poison

The following equation is used to calculate what that dosage would equate to in humans:

HED (mg / kg = Animal NOAEL mg/kg) × (Weightanimal [kg]/Weighthuman [kg])(1–0.67)

Edit: I had to do it, sorry guys

The good old mice test. So many many articles came after that. Anyway what is so great about this forum is we can agree or disagree.
You will hear different opinions which is great and we respect. At the end of the day you do your research and decide. Best of luck.

 

[JACKED_]

The good old mice test. So many many articles came after that. Anyway what is so great about this forum is we can agree or disagree.
You will hear different opinions which is great and we respect. At the end of the day you do your research and decide. Best of luck.

Absolutely! I just made some common sense observations on why to avoid it like the plague backed with math and legitimate observations but yea totally agree

 

[Meetketchup]

It caused rapid cancer growth in 100% of the rodents it was tested on, was considered extremely carcinogenic and genotoxic as well as mutanogenic by GSK one of the biggest pharma companies out there. My issue is that the compound works and is extremely effective, why would this company throw away billions of dollars on a product that can cure diabetes if they weren’t extremely afraid of the toxic outcomes? The mice typically lived 33-36 months without Cardarine, 100% of them developed rapid cancer and died between week 6-12 this includes liver and pancreatic carcinomas.

Do you want to take something that has a 100% mortality rate in the animal studies? Do you know how many pharma products don’t have a 100% mortality rate in the rodent models? All of the approved ones.

Some idiot on the internet that couldn’t do math said but hey! The human equivalent dose is like 200mgs! No one takes that! Well I couldn’t do the math either, so I did some studying. Here is the actual human equivalent based on the 3mg/kg doses given to the rodents that killed 100% of them. Based on an 80kg male

Assuming we have an 80 kg man that we are using for this calculation, we get the following result:

Human Equivalent Dose = (3) × (0.509/80)(1–0.67)

Human Equivalent Dose = (3) x (0.0063625)(0.33)

Human Equivalent Dose = 3 x 0.18845044723

The human equivalent dose, once you break down the calculation comes out to 0.5653513417 mg/kg.

Once you multiply that and factor in the bodyweight of an 80 kg human male, you get 45.2281073363 mg.

So let’s say your 100kg, human equivalent dose would be around 52mgs.

Sure humans only take 10-20 so about half of the dose that causes pancreatic and liver cancer rapidly. Don’t take this shit, diet and cardio. Shit Clen and GH. Literally anything besides this poison

The following equation is used to calculate what that dosage would equate to in humans:

HED (mg / kg = Animal NOAEL mg/kg) × (Weightanimal [kg]/Weighthuman [kg])(1–0.67)

Edit: I had to do it, sorry guys

Complete speculation based on rodents studies. If you've ever done studies in universities with them, you'd know rats are the most susceptive creatures to contract cancers of all kinds. Completely different pathway of activation, affect and often metabolism in humans.

Please post direct causation of everyone who has contracted cancer specifically from Cardarine. Based on your extensive 100% everyone gets it research from what you've read, there should be tens of thousands of examples. I'll wait while you cite your sources. Rat studies don't cut it. If they did half the things we consumer would be banned.

Extradentary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your opinion doesn't justify it alone. Believe what you want but these claims are a bit much.

 

[JACKED_]

Complete speculation based on rodents' studies. If you've ever done studies in universities with them, you'd know rats are the most susceptive creatures to contract cancers of all kinds. Completely different pathway of activation, affect and often metabolism in humans.

Please post direct causation of everyone who has contracted cancer specifically from Cardarine. Based on your extensive 100% everyone gets it research from what you've read, there should be tens of thousands of examples. I'll wait while you cite your sources. Rat studies don't cut it. If they did half the things we consumer would be banned.

All I’m saying is that for something to get approved by the fda it has to pass a common toxicity test. The rats are susceptible to cancer around 33 months, these rats got cancer as early as 6 weeks. There’s plenty of other things out there that we can take that didn’t kill all of the test subjects that’s my entire point. Also the real human equivalent dose is much lower than what I hear parroted on the internet. I didn’t say it causes cancer in humans if you go back and read what I wrote, I just encourage guys not to take it because based on what we know it’s probably at the very least risky Mr Katsup

But also rodent studies are the gold standard of toxicity testing and have to be completed before moving on to human trials lol

 

[Wiseguy]

Complete speculation based on rodents studies. If you've ever done studies in universities with them, you'd know rats are the most susceptive creatures to contract cancers of all kinds. Completely different pathway of activation, affect and often metabolism in humans.

Please post direct causation of everyone who has contracted cancer specifically from Cardarine. Based on your extensive 100% everyone gets it research from what you've read, there should be tens of thousands of examples. I'll wait while you cite your sources. Rat studies don't cut it. If they did half the things we consumer would be banned.

Extradentary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your opinion doesn't justify it alone. Believe what you want but these claims are a bit much.

In addition many articles came out with the extremely positive results in cholesterol. Do you know how many billions of dollars are pharmaceuticals making from it?

I need to see legitimate human studies From several different legitimate hospitals to be concerned.

Again the beauty of the forum to politely agree or disagree. I appreciate all the feedback and only speaking in my behalf and not others.

 

[Meetketchup]

I didn’t say it causes cancer in humans if you go back and read what I wrote,

Exactly! So we agree

 

[Battousai]

I'm still waiting for YMS to start carrying cardarine.

 

[JACKED_]

I'm still waiting for YMS to start carrying cardarine.

I told them I’ll quit if they do

 

[Battousai]

I told them I’ll quit if they do

Lame . .

 

[JACKED_]

Exactly! So we agree

I just implied it heavily. I know we will always but heads on this one so my goal is for people to maybe read what I say before making an informed decision. This is always fun I get a good chuckle anyways

 

[Durro]

We shall see but It helped me get lean and kept the weight off and helped me get through the extra reps 10mg pre workout

 

[JACKED_]

Lame . .

Just being facetious

 

[JACKED_]

We shall see but It helped me get lean and kept the weight off and helped me get through the extra reps 10mg pre workout

Cigarettes can keep you lean

 

[Battousai]

Cigarettes can keep you lean

What about cigars?

 

[nightwing]

All I’m saying is that for something to get approved by the fda it has to pass a common toxicity test. The rats are susceptible to cancer around 33 months, these rats got cancer as early as 6 weeks. There’s plenty of other things out there that we can take that didn’t kill all of the test subjects that’s my entire point. Also the real human equivalent dose is much lower than what I hear parroted on the internet. I didn’t say it causes cancer in humans if you go back and read what I wrote, I just encourage guys not to take it because based on what we know it’s probably at the very least risky Mr Katsup

But also rodent studies are the gold standard of toxicity testing and have to be completed before moving on to human trials lol

and $$$. the fda may be protecting us, but it definitely is slow rolling approvals on many medicines that can help us. the more I learn about their shady ass peptide approval roadblocks the less I trust the fda.

I know your concerned we going to get cancer from this, anyone cite one instance where responsible protocols led to cancer, in a person?

I used it way too soon, when I was in kitchen sink protocol, but plan to use it again.

 

[Durro]

Cigarettes can keep you lean

I quit over 20yrs ago and I didn’t get the weight gain that some people say happens when you stop smoking.

 

[Meetketchup]

and $$$. the fda may be protecting us, but it definitely is slow rolling approvals on many medicines that can help us. the more I learn about their shady ass peptide approval roadblocks the less I trust the fda.

I know your concerned we going to get cancer from this, anyone cite one instance where responsible protocols led to cancer, in a person?

I used it way too soon, when I was in kitchen sink protocol, but plan to use it again.

Yup. Using the FDA as some moral and ethical body is not ideal. Have a look over the organizations history and see some of the compounds they "allowed" to go through based on mounds of double-blind evidence to the contrary. It's a pay to play system.

 

[Durro]

How did the rodents do on vape studies? No I don’t vape.

 

[JACKED_]

How did the rodents do on vape studies? No I don’t vape.

I’m a vape study so far so good

 

[Durro]

I’m a vape study so far so good

Exactly we all are.

 

[eazy_]

100% of the rodents

is it true that lab rats are born with a disposition to getting cancer?

some say that a genetic feature in lab mice may make their tissues vulnerable to cancer, which could lead to overestimation of the risk of cancer in safety testing.

the compound works and is extremely effective, why would this company throw away billions of dollars on a product that can cure

key word here is cure.

the money is in making you sick and then selling you things to manage your symptoms, not cure you.

If everyone suddenly had better cholesterol numbers, that would effect the bottom line of the cholesterol drugs.

 

[Macker1515]

Yup. Using the FDA as some moral and ethical body is not ideal. Have a look over the organizations history and see some of the compounds they "allowed" to go through based on mounds of double-blind evidence to the contrary. It's a pay to play system.

Bingo I don't trust fda at all. Not even a little bit