Bulking cycle without bloat

[ghazni]

Am finishing up a cutting cycle with anavar, 250 test per week, gw and proviron. After pct and break looking to next cycle for bulking. Dbol puts size on like crazy but I hate the bloat, very sensitive to it for blood pressure.

Not going to use tren.

Any other suggestions for a non bloating, preferably less liver toxic cycle to bulk on? Am 48, 10% bf, have done 2 cycles before and labs all fine. Blood pressure is only medical issue, controlled w meds. Water retention drives that through the roof for me.

Thx guys and gals.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

Any bulking or wet compounds or going to have bloat and water retention imo.

Maybe use tbol instead of dbol?

 

[cujo200231]

Got me at non toxic, superdrol will blow you up nice and lean

 

[Rigeu]

Test, dhb and tbol might a good bulk without putting on a lot of bloat and keeping liver toxicity low(er). Moderate test dose, keep your estrogen and diet in check and you must be good. Not the cycle to put the most amount of muscle on you, but considering your question this seems to be a good one.

 

[MONSTRO]

Am finishing up a cutting cycle with anavar, 250 test per week, gw and proviron. After pct and break looking to next cycle for bulking. Dbol puts size on like crazy but I hate the bloat, very sensitive to it for blood pressure.

Not going to use tren.

Any other suggestions for a non bloating, preferably less liver toxic cycle to bulk on? Am 48, 10% bf, have done 2 cycles before and labs all fine. Blood pressure is only medical issue, controlled w meds. Water retention drives that through the roof for me.

Thx guys and gals.

if you have blood pressure problems take telmisartan and eat very lean diet and also do the cardio . Other than that always control estrogen with 12,5 aromasin EOD and have tamoxifen on hand .

For cycle go with low test , NPP and masteron , as oral if you have afraid of liver toxicity and blood pressure dont use orals

Test E 500mg week
NPP 100mg EOD
Masteron P 100mg EOD

Masteron will help alot control estrogen and water retention , you can go until 700mg week if you need to look harder and dry

 

[Mastiff71]

if you have blood pressure problems take telmisartan and eat very lean diet and also do the cardio . Other than that always control estrogen with 12,5 aromasin EOD and have tamoxifen on hand .

For cycle go with low test , NPP and masteron , as oral if you have afraid of liver toxicity and blood pressure dont use orals

Test E 500mg week
NPP 100mg EOD
Masteron P 100mg EOD

Masteron will help alot control estrogen and water retention , you can go until 700mg week if you need to look harder and dry

This good advice. However, I would try to add in 20-30mg of either Tbol, OR var and see how you do with BP. If it starts to go up uncomfortably, you can drop them and they will clear pretty quickly.

 

[STTM]

The more you eat.. the more water you are going to hold. That's part of bulking, doesn't matter what compound you run. But, you should look into the drier compounds obviously. DHB seems to be the new kid on the block for lean bulking. There's also Primo, and EQ. Adding Mast to any cycle will help maintain a dryer look. I honestly think Test, DHB, and Mast would make for a pretty sick cycle.

 

[Glycomann]

Keep a clean diet and weigh everything so you can dial it in. For bulk when I use to bulk I likes Test/NPP/EQ. I didn't care so much about getting a little soft because I would take a quick 4 week break and start a hard diet and then do another 8-10 weeks with dry stuff and calorie deficit. First I would go up 30 lbs and at the end end up about 15-18 lbs heavier than start and about 4-6% lower in BF. The first 8 weeks weren't pretty but the last 8 weeks were.

 

[MONSTRO]

The more you eat.. the more water you are going to hold. That's part of bulking, doesn't matter what compound you run. But, you should look into the drier compounds obviously. DHB seems to be the new kid on the block for lean bulking. There's also Primo, and EQ. Adding Mast to any cycle will help maintain a dryer look. I honestly think Test, DHB, and Mast would make for a pretty sick cycle.

But DHB and masteron both DHT will dry him to much if he needs to grow

 

[STTM]

But DHB and masteron both DHT will dry him to much if he needs to grow

Possible.. but just because they are both DHT, doesn't mean they will have the same mechanism of action. For example, Halo is a derivative of Testosterone, but does not act like Test at all. NPP would be a viable choice as well.

 

[Wardamn]

Test, mast, NPP.

 

[maxmuscle1]

Nothing wrong with wanting less bloat. One thing to keep in mind; the water retention helps protect and makes you strong. Muscle is a lot of water. Bulking = Some water retention. I can completely understand not wanting a fat face but, personally; I had to let my jawline go to truly bulk. If your not competing and wanna just add lbm, I like to do lower test, higher dht , 19 nor

Examples
300 test p
300 tren Ace
300 mast p

Or
Test Cyp
Dhb (1-test cypionate)
Npp

30mg -40mg Anavar

I do love gh and peptides and am able to keep a lot of the bloat down by avoiding certain foods and eating plainly with high water intake along with supplements. It takes a few weeks, months for the body and person to learn dieting and training and macro/Supp technique to keep water low/low bloating.

Max
Encourage getting a coach, best investment ever!!

 

[FM19]

I’d vote for test, Tbol, and dhb. Dhb increase my appetite quite a bit. Food is where you’ll get the size from.

 

[MonsterMaker]

I’d vote for test, Tbol, and dhb. Dhb increase my appetite quite a bit. Food is where you’ll get the size from.

How many calories do you eat in a typical bulk (ballpark) I’m up to between 4-4.5k and been at a standstill with my weight for over a week now… blows my mind to think I might need to eat more

 

[FM19]

When I was in my 20s I’d eat around 4K … in my 40s I don’t have as fast of a metabolism so don’t need as much. Just finished dhb and had to watch eating too much so I didn’t gain too much bf. I could easily do a dirty bulk on dhb.

 

[Vision]

Bloating will be the result of many things, either your diet or the aromatization ratio with whatever drugs you're using.
You don't necessarily have to add more drugs tools, why not just simply make some adjustments with your diet and just increase your dosage with testosterone?
Employ an AI with your testosterone, and you can keep things more simplified and within a narrow spectrum.

Test only cycles/blast are very underrated and people think that we need to always incorporate more drugs.
Drugs are nothing but tools, let your diet dictate all the gains.

500-600mg or test, with some mastE and an AI that you prefer, increase your meals and let the testosterone do the nutrition partitioning.

Things don't have to get sloppy.

If by chance you don't want to increase your testosterone dosage, keep it low to moderate and throw in some YK11 and or MK677.

 

[MONSTRO]

Bloating will be the result of many things, either your diet or the aromatization ratio with whatever drugs you're using.
You don't necessarily have to add more drugs tools, why not just simply make some adjustments with your diet and just increase your dosage with testosterone?
Employ an AI with your testosterone, and you can keep things more simplified and within a narrow spectrum.

Test only cycles/blast are very underrated and people think that we need to always incorporate more drugs.
Drugs are nothing but tools, let your diet dictate all the gains.

500-600mg or test, with some mastE and an AI that you prefer, increase your meals and let the testosterone do the nutrition partitioning.

Things don't have to get sloppy.

If by chance you don't want to increase your testosterone dosage, keep it low to moderate and throw in some YK11 and or MK677.

Vision what do you think about YK11? and Mk677 i love it but is the worst think for me in terms of blotting

 

[Vision]

Vision what do you think about YK11? and Mk677 i love it but is the worst think for me in terms of blotting

I had absolutely zero blow with YK11.. all of my games were lean as my diet was extremely lean.
To me it felt like I increased my test, strength was increased significantly and all around I just felt great.

 

[Sherk]

Why are some of you suggesting eq? He stated he cannot use dbol due to BLOOD PRESSURE ISSUES. Eq shouldn’t even be mentioned in this thread. Vision is absolutely correct. Instead of adding different drugs, simply apply a better diet and increase your testosterone. 250mg isn’t much. I’m prescribed 200mg by my dr for trt, just to put your dosage in perspective.

 

[Haisensei]

sorry what is dhb?

 

[ghazni]

Thx all

 

[Bft84]

But DHB and masteron both DHT will dry him to much if he needs to grow

Not if he’s doing what he’s supposed to and not destroying his estradiol. This is nonsense. If he’s training hard and eating how he’s supposed to he will grow. You’re a big guy but you post some stuff that’s just wrong.

 

[Bft84]

Bloating will be the result of many things, either your diet or the aromatization ratio with whatever drugs you're using.
You don't necessarily have to add more drugs tools, why not just simply make some adjustments with your diet and just increase your dosage with testosterone?
Employ an AI with your testosterone, and you can keep things more simplified and within a narrow spectrum.

Test only cycles/blast are very underrated and people think that we need to always incorporate more drugs.
Drugs are nothing but tools, let your diet dictate all the gains.

500-600mg or test, with some mastE and an AI that you prefer, increase your meals and let the testosterone do the nutrition partitioning.

Things don't have to get sloppy.

If by chance you don't want to increase your testosterone dosage, keep it low to moderate and throw in some YK11 and or MK677.

finally. I don’t know why people don’t realize the diet is going to have the largest effect being lean or bloated or fat if they’re doing what they’re supposed to do and making sure they’re getting bloods done so they can control e and progesterone.

Stop looking for drugs to do the work if you’re growing abd you can’t get damn big on test then your diet and training sucks. Guys don’t realize how far they get with just 500mg test a week.
I also don’t like orals on growth phases but that’s just me.

 

[MONSTRO]

Nothing wrong with wanting less bloat. One thing to keep in mind; the water retention helps protect and makes you strong. Muscle is a lot of water. Bulking = Some water retention. I can completely understand not wanting a fat face but, personally; I had to let my jawline go to truly bulk. If your not competing and wanna just add lbm, I like to do lower test, higher dht , 19 nor

Examples
300 test p
300 tren Ace
300 mast p

Or
Test Cyp
Dhb (1-test cypionate)
Npp

30mg -40mg Anavar

I do love gh and peptides and am able to keep a lot of the bloat down by avoiding certain foods and eating plainly with high water intake along with supplements. It takes a few weeks, months for the body and person to learn dieting and training and macro/Supp technique to keep water low/low bloating.

Max
Encourage getting a coach, best investment ever!!

is always better have one each category, test + 19nor + dht .
Holding water is needed when goal is grow, remember the best compounds to grow are testosterone + hgh + slin + dbol and only with all of them you will get another level of size and all of them produce alot water retention , even hgh that burns fat . Water retention is not fat , people should be worried about fat not water

 

[Montego]

Test and npp.

Don't need anything else.

Low dose Dbol if you want to get really crazy

 

[maxmuscle1]

is always better have one each category, test + 19nor + dht .
Holding water is needed when goal is grow, remember the best compounds to grow are testosterone + hgh + slin + dbol and only with all of them you will get another level of size and all of them produce alot water retention , even hgh that burns fat . Water retention is not fat , people should be worried about fat not water

Love it!

Max

 

[hot rod]

Test and npp.

Don't need anything else.

Low dose Dbol if you want to get really crazy

this and t-bol, but watch BP. Doesn't bother mine, but does my buddies- guess what? we're all diff- imagine that!

 

[HFO4]

Keep it simple. I prefer high test and low dbol dose (on training days only) low dose dbol mitigates high BP amd allows fir a long safe run of dbol. I’ve been doing this off and on for years with no issues

 

[dpsct]

I'm looking for a similar option for the Fall so I have been following this thread.

What you suggest in terms of test/NPP dosages?

Test and npp.

Don't need anything else.

Low dose Dbol if you want to get really crazy

 

[Bft84]

is always better have one each category, test + 19nor + dht .
Holding water is needed when goal is grow, remember the best compounds to grow are testosterone + hgh + slin + dbol and only with all of them you will get another level of size and all of them produce alot water retention , even hgh that burns fat . Water retention is not fat , people should be worried about fat not water

What? You need water retention to grow tissue? You shouldn’t be worried about water retention? Yes you should be hydrated but not holding a ton of water. None of this is healthy but you should be cautious. Water retention is bad for your heart and kidneys.
i like the test and hgh.