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Omoplata said:
Does anyone ever just sit outside with no noise and just try to feel the presence in the silence?

One thing I wish God would have made clear, why being a Man sometimes feels so lonely?
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Tis the burden of man that we must bear until the bitter end young grasshopper. It’s why family is important and should be cherished and not squandered. For when we get old our memories will keep us company …. as well as our regrets if we’re not careful and diligent enough.
 
Christian Zionism vs Supersessionism

Which story does Scripture tell?

Which story comes from Plato instead of the Prophets?

Opening Scene — Jerusalem Reborn from Ruins

The year is 444 BC. The air smells of dust and sweat as families gather at the Water Gate. Nehemiah stands near the wall freshly set in place, and Ezra lifts the scroll where covenant words shimmer like fire in the morning sun. When he reads Zion, nobody thinks "heaven." When he says Israel, no one imagines "the Church." The people hear God’s promises the way God spoke them — land beneath their feet, descendants before their eyes, everlasting covenant with their nation.

The prophets meant what they said.

The people believed what they heard.

No allegory. No transfer. No replacement.

Genesis 17:7–8
“I will establish My covenant… for an everlasting covenant… and I will give to you and your offspring… all the land of Canaan for an everlasting possession.”
God calls the covenant everlasting and the land everlasting. No expiration. No revision. No footnote that says "unless later spiritualized."

Psalm 105:8–10
“He remembers His covenant forever… the word that He commanded, for a thousand generations… a covenant with Abraham… confirmed to Jacob… to Israel as an everlasting covenant.”
Everlasting to Abraham. Everlasting to Jacob. Everlasting to Israel. Three generations named to prevent reinterpretation.

Jeremiah 31:35–37
“If the sun ceases to give light… if heaven above can be measured… then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel.”
The endurance of Israel is tied to the stability of the cosmos. If Israel is gone, gravity dissolves and galaxies collapse.

Romans 11:1–2
“Has God rejected His people? By no means… God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew.”
Paul answers supersessionism before it was invented. His language slams every door shut.

Romans 11:25–29
“A partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles… and in this way all Israel will be saved… for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”
Blindness is temporary — until. Covenant is irrevocable — forever.

Acts 1:6–7
“Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” … “It is not for you to know the times or seasons.”

Jesus doesn’t say no. He says not yet.

Hebrew Faith Was Earth-Rooted, Covenant-Tethered

Land meant land.

Zion meant hillside and fortress.

Jerusalem meant stones, songs, sacrifices.

Messiah meant David’s Son ruling with authority.

The Kingdom meant earth restored, not earth abandoned.

The early church believed this too.

So what changed?

Enter Athens. Enter Alexandria. Enter Plato.

Plato taught spirit > matter.

Neoplatonism exalted the invisible above the physical.

Promises rooted in geography now seemed "less spiritual."

Philo blended Torah with Greek philosophy.

Clement and Origen allegorized Zion into symbol.

Augustine, shaped by Neoplatonism, declared the millennium now, Israel fulfilled, and prophecy spiritual.

Supersessionism isn’t the child of Moses, Isaiah, Jesus, or Paul.

It is the child of Plato — baptized in Alexandria and crowned in Augustine's The City of God.

As Ed Hindson warned:

“If you replace Israel with the Church, the covenants collapse — and with them the character of God.”
As Chuck Missler said:

“God means what He says and says what He means. To deny Israel’s future is to question His integrity.”
Christian Zionism reads the Bible forward.

Supersessionism rewrites it through philosophy backward.

History Proves Prophecy — Not Allegory

Ezekiel 36:24
“I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land.”
God kept a literal promise. Israel literally returned.
70 AD — Temple burns, scattering begins.
135 AD — Judea renamed Syria-Palestina.
Jews wander millennia, yet remain.
1948 — Nation reborn in a day. Isaiah 66:8 fulfilled.
Today 7+ million Jews live in Israel.
Hebrew breathes again. Vineyards grow on ancient hills.
Satan tried to erase Israel — God resurrected her.

Ezekiel 37:21–22
“I will bring them into their own land… and make them one nation… and David My servant shall be king over them.”
Regathering? Happening.
Davidic reign? Waiting.
Prophecy? Mid-sentence.

Zechariah 14:4, 9
“His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives… and the Lord will be King over all the earth.”
Not metaphor. Mountains split. Kingdom descends. Nations bow.

Zechariah 12:10
“They will look on Me, on Him whom they pierced, and mourn for Him.”
Israel meets Messiah — not replaced, redeemed.

Luke 1:32–33
“He will sit on the throne of His father David… and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
David’s throne is not in heaven. It stands in Jerusalem.

The Future Scene

Picture this: Jerusalem under moonlight. The nations rage. Armies surround her like wolves, but a remnant waits with trembling breath. The sky splits — not metaphor but glory. Feet touch the Mount of Olives. Dust rises. Graves open. The city gasps. Israel sees the scars, and the pierced One stretches out His hands.

Revelation 1:7
“Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of Him.”
He returns to the people He covenanted. To the city He chose. To the land He swore.

Not to a symbol — to Zion.

Israel was chosen.
Israel was scattered.
Israel is regathered.
Israel will believe.
Israel will be restored.
Israel will see the King.

Not replacement.

Redemption.

The story ends where the prophets said it would.
The King is coming — to Jerusalem — exactly as written.
 
Expansion from Gods word on Jewish people, Gods crystal clear on this issue like all issues of salvation, its all Him and its always all HIM.

He literllly made the new covenant with Himself so that all we had to do is believe and that changes our identity to from non-believers to believers . He literally sees Christ righteousness in us by the spirit alive in us, The same spirit of death Adam brought when he obeyed satan, God made reborn in Christ when we believed,

Roman’s 11 read it all for understanding via Holy Spirit, ask God for discernment to understand it, dont just read it, or watch someone else tell you what it says. when you're ready understand it, GOD gives you understanding via the teacher, counselor the one who leads you into all truth THE HOLY SPIRIT, the one Jesus said He would send us after HE went back to the Father, yes that same Holy Spirit with resurrection power now lives inside you as does the Kingdom of Heaven though Him. IF youre in covnenant with Him, if not get in covenant now man haha 💪

God is a good Father ❤️

The Remnant of Israel​

11 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people,whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel:Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”;So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, ;as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”And David says:

“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
;May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent

Ingrafted Branches​

Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

;I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. ;For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? ;If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

;If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. ;For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

;Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved​

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins. As far as the gospel is concerned, emies for your sake; but as far conncerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. ;For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Doxology​

;Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
“Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”;“Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.


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Brothers—

Praise God for His sovereign protection. Thank Him for His plan to make everything—even Satan’s attacks—"work together for good" for you!

Satan tried to tempt me with a wicked woman who criticizes her husband. Blocked her, humiliated her (ignored her talking to me publicly) and got my boys to avoid her.

Not today Satan. 🙂
 
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Omoplata said:
Satan tried to tempt me with a wicked woman who criticizes her husband. Blocked her, humiliated her (ignored her talking to me publicly) and got my boys to avoid her.

Not today Satan. 🙂
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I'm pretty sure Satan had more pressing things to do today than specifically tempt you with a woman. :)
 
THE THREE LAWS EVERY BELIEVER MUST KNOW — AND WHY ROMANS 8 CHANGES EVERYTHING

There are chapters in Scripture that feel like stepping onto holy ground—Romans 8 is one of them.
Thirty-nine verses that read like the believer’s victory song. But here’s something many Christians miss: you’ll never understand Romans 8 if you don't read it, and read it often.

Paul’s letter to the Romans wasn’t written to impress scholars. It was written to explain how a sinner—helpless, guilty, spiritually bankrupt—can be made right with God and then learn to walk in the new life God gives freely.

A lot of confusion in Christianity today exists simply because people don’t actually read the Word. They read memes, comment sections, quotes, traditions, and sermons—but not the text itself.

THE GIFT THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING

Many grew up believing that God saves “good people,” or that Christ’s cross gave them a boost so they can finish the rest. “Do your part, and God will do His.”

That’s the lie religion teaches.

But the day the gospel of grace hits your heart, everything changes:

• Christ died for us as sinners (Romans 5:8).
• Not after we cleaned up.
• Not after we promised to try harder.
• Not after we cried, repented, or begged.
He died for the ungodly (Romans 5:6).
He reconciled us while we were enemies (Romans 5:10).
The moment you trust Him—no works, no ceremonies, no promises—just Christ alone—God takes you out of Adam and places you into Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13).
You are blessed with all spiritual blessings (Ephesians 1:3).
You are made complete in Him (Colossians 2:10).
You begin an eternal journey of discovering what God has already given you.

ROMANS 8: THE SPIRITUAL LIFE EXPLAINED

Romans 3–5 tells us how God justifies sinners.
Romans 6–8 tells us how God gives us new life and teaches us to walk in it.
Romans 8 opens with one of the greatest declarations ever written:
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.” —Romans 8:1
Why?Because three great spiritual “laws” are at work:

1. The Law of Sin and Death

Sin always produces death.
Not sometimes.
Always.
Romans 6:23 — “The wages of sin is death.”
Romans 5:12 — “Death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”
Death is not just the body lying in a coffin. That’s only the first death.
Revelation 21:8 speaks of the second death—the eternal separation of the inner man from God.
Sin kills:
• your relationship with God,
• your conscience,
• your joy,
• your purity,
• your purpose.
Sin never satisfies. It always asks for “more,” then gives less. It drags deeper, dulls the conscience, hardens the heart, and blinds the mind (Romans 1:24–28).
That’s Law #1—the law that every person born into this world is under.

2. The Law of God

This is God’s perfect standard—holy, just, and good.
But the Law (the commandments) has one purpose in this age:
👉
To reveal sin — not remove it.
“For by the law is the knowledge of sin.” —Romans 3:20
The Law can expose you, but it cannot excuse you.
It can show your guilt, but it cannot save you from it.
It condemns the best of us, but saves none of us.
Trying harder doesn’t work because:
• the flesh cannot keep the Law (Romans 8:3)
• perfection is required (James 2:10)
• our nature itself is sinful (Romans 7:18)
The Law’s job is to shut every mouth (Romans 3:19)—removing all boasting so that grace can be grace.

3. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus

This is the believer’s victory.
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.” —Romans 8:2
Christ did for us what we could never do through the Law:
✔
He condemned sin in the flesh (Romans 8:3)
✔
He fulfilled the righteousness of the Law (Romans 8:4)
✔
He died to pay sin’s penalty
✔
He rose to give His life to us

When you trusted Christ:
• His death became your death (Romans 6:6–7)
• His resurrection became your new life (Romans 6:4)
• His Spirit became your power to walk in victory (Romans 8:9–11)
This is not self-effort.
This is not law-keeping.
This is not religious performance.
This is Christ living His life through you as you walk by faith in who God made you in Him (Galatians 2:20; Colossians 3:4).

THE MID-ACTS CLARITY

Most confusion comes from mixing Israel’s program (law, covenants, kingdom promises) with the Body of Christ’s program (grace, heavenly calling, new identity).

Only Paul reveals:

• the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:12–13)
• our completeness in Christ (Colossians 2:10)
• our freedom from the Law (Romans 6:14)
• our walk in the Spirit apart from signs or ordinances (Romans 8:9; Galatians 5:18)
Romans 8 isn’t about earning God’s favor— it’s about walking in the life He already gave us.

Conclusion:

There are three laws at work:

1. The Law of Sin and Death
— Sin kills. Always.
2. The Law of God
— Perfect righteousness demanded; none supplied.
3. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ
— Christ supplies everything the Law demands and gives us His life.
Only the third law sets you free.

LET CHRIST BE YOUR LIFE TODAY

You don’t overcome sin by willpower.
You don’t produce righteousness by religion.
You don’t grow spiritually by guilt or fear.
You grow by walking in the identity God gave you in Christ, trusting what He says, depending on His Word rightly divided.
What controls you is whatever you depend on.
Depend on your flesh → you fail.
Depend on the Law → you feel condemned. Depend on Christ → you walk in life and peace.
Let Him be your life today.
 
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1 Peter 5:8​

​

“Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.”​


🙂
 
heavyiron said:
THE THREE LAWS EVERY BELIEVER MUST KNOW — AND WHY ROMANS 8 CHANGES EVERYTHING

There are chapters in Scripture that feel like stepping onto holy ground—Romans 8 is one of them.
Thirty-nine verses that read like the believer’s victory song. But here’s something many Christians miss: you’ll never understand Romans 8 if you don't read it, and read it often.

Paul’s letter to the Romans wasn’t written to impress scholars. It was written to explain how a sinner—helpless, guilty, spiritually bankrupt—can be made right with God and then learn to walk in the new life God gives freely.

A lot of confusion in Christianity today exists simply because people don’t actually read the Word. They read memes, comment sections, quotes, traditions, and sermons—but not the text itself.

THE GIFT THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING

Many grew up believing that God saves “good people,” or that Christ’s cross gave them a boost so they can finish the rest. “Do your part, and God will do His.”

That’s the lie religion teaches.

But the day the gospel of grace hits your heart, everything changes:

• Christ died for us as sinners (Romans 5:8).
• Not after we cleaned up.
• Not after we promised to try harder.
• Not after we cried, repented, or begged.
He died for the ungodly (Romans 5:6).
He reconciled us while we were enemies (Romans 5:10).
The moment you trust Him—no works, no ceremonies, no promises—just Christ alone—God takes you out of Adam and places you into Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13).
You are blessed with all spiritual blessings (Ephesians 1:3).
You are made complete in Him (Colossians 2:10).
You begin an eternal journey of discovering what God has already given you.

ROMANS 8: THE SPIRITUAL LIFE EXPLAINED

Romans 3–5 tells us how God justifies sinners.
Romans 6–8 tells us how God gives us new life and teaches us to walk in it.
Romans 8 opens with one of the greatest declarations ever written:
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.” —Romans 8:1
Why?Because three great spiritual “laws” are at work:

1. The Law of Sin and Death

Sin always produces death.
Not sometimes.
Always.
Romans 6:23 — “The wages of sin is death.”
Romans 5:12 — “Death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”
Death is not just the body lying in a coffin. That’s only the first death.
Revelation 21:8 speaks of the second death—the eternal separation of the inner man from God.
Sin kills:
• your relationship with God,
• your conscience,
• your joy,
• your purity,
• your purpose.
Sin never satisfies. It always asks for “more,” then gives less. It drags deeper, dulls the conscience, hardens the heart, and blinds the mind (Romans 1:24–28).
That’s Law #1—the law that every person born into this world is under.

2. The Law of God

This is God’s perfect standard—holy, just, and good.
But the Law (the commandments) has one purpose in this age:
👉
To reveal sin — not remove it.
“For by the law is the knowledge of sin.” —Romans 3:20
The Law can expose you, but it cannot excuse you.
It can show your guilt, but it cannot save you from it.
It condemns the best of us, but saves none of us.
Trying harder doesn’t work because:
• the flesh cannot keep the Law (Romans 8:3)
• perfection is required (James 2:10)
• our nature itself is sinful (Romans 7:18)
The Law’s job is to shut every mouth (Romans 3:19)—removing all boasting so that grace can be grace.

3. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus

This is the believer’s victory.
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.” —Romans 8:2
Christ did for us what we could never do through the Law:
✔
He condemned sin in the flesh (Romans 8:3)
✔
He fulfilled the righteousness of the Law (Romans 8:4)
✔
He died to pay sin’s penalty
✔
He rose to give His life to us

When you trusted Christ:
• His death became your death (Romans 6:6–7)
• His resurrection became your new life (Romans 6:4)
• His Spirit became your power to walk in victory (Romans 8:9–11)
This is not self-effort.
This is not law-keeping.
This is not religious performance.
This is Christ living His life through you as you walk by faith in who God made you in Him (Galatians 2:20; Colossians 3:4).

THE MID-ACTS CLARITY

Most confusion comes from mixing Israel’s program (law, covenants, kingdom promises) with the Body of Christ’s program (grace, heavenly calling, new identity).

Only Paul reveals:

• the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:12–13)
• our completeness in Christ (Colossians 2:10)
• our freedom from the Law (Romans 6:14)
• our walk in the Spirit apart from signs or ordinances (Romans 8:9; Galatians 5:18)
Romans 8 isn’t about earning God’s favor— it’s about walking in the life He already gave us.

Conclusion:

There are three laws at work:

1. The Law of Sin and Death
— Sin kills. Always.
2. The Law of God
— Perfect righteousness demanded; none supplied.
3. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ
— Christ supplies everything the Law demands and gives us His life.
Only the third law sets you free.

LET CHRIST BE YOUR LIFE TODAY

You don’t overcome sin by willpower.
You don’t produce righteousness by religion.
You don’t grow spiritually by guilt or fear.
You grow by walking in the identity God gave you in Christ, trusting what He says, depending on His Word rightly divided.
What controls you is whatever you depend on.
Depend on your flesh → you fail.
Depend on the Law → you feel condemned. Depend on Christ → you walk in life and peace.
Let Him be your life today.
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The law of sin and death could not hold Jesus because he was sin free, He actually gave up His own spirit on the cross they could not take His life
❤️💯💪🏼
Perfectly written and explained 💪🏼❤️💯
 
Know who you are everyday in Christ
A few scriptures to remind you are also Gods son in Christ, so you live in sonship with Him and that is key to understanding your relationship through Christ (closer than a brother) to the Father

Key Verses on Your Identity in Christ
    • Child of God:
      "But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12).
    • New Creation:
      "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come" (2 Corinthians 5:17).
    • God's Masterpiece:
      "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:10).
    • Holy & Blameless:
      "He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love" (Ephesians 1:4).
    • Complete in Him:
      "And you have been made complete in him, who is the head of all rule and authority" (Colossians 2:10).
    • Chosen & Adopted:
      "You are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:26) and "He predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:5).
    • Beloved:
      "See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God!" (1 John 3:1).
    • One in Christ:
      "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28).
    • Citizen of Heaven:
      "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 3:20).
    • Free from Condemnation:
      "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1).
 
HFO4 said:
Know who you are everyday in Christ
A few scriptures to remind you are also Gods son in Christ, so you live in sonship with Him and that is key to understanding your relationship through Christ (closer than a brother) to the Father

Key Verses on Your Identity in Christ
    • Child of God:
      "But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12).
    • New Creation:
      "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come" (2 Corinthians 5:17).
    • God's Masterpiece:
      "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:10).
    • Holy & Blameless:
      "He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love" (Ephesians 1:4).
    • Complete in Him:
      "And you have been made complete in him, who is the head of all rule and authority" (Colossians 2:10).
    • Chosen & Adopted:
      "You are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:26) and "He predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:5).
    • Beloved:
      "See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God!" (1 John 3:1).
    • One in Christ:
      "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28).
    • Citizen of Heaven:
      "But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 3:20).
    • Free from Condemnation:
      "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1).
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Identity in Christ is probably one of the most important doctrines. Many Christians don't fully understand what it means. Once you get it there is zero guilt and shame.

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
 
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Not too many teach this topic.

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Bro, Jesus was teaching to the Jews, in the gospels Matthews 10
the wisdom of rhe the mystery came through to Paul on the road to Damascus to all humanity and we are to teach to the heavenlies this wisdom of God as Paul teaches in Ephesians 3:10 and many other places
My posts incomplete but makes my point
If God didn’t harden the necks of Jews we would not be in this thread! We are gentiles


I glorify Jesus for His compassion the Father gave Him ❤️😊💯
 
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HFO4 said:
Bro, Jesus was teaching to the Jews, in the gospels Matthews 10
the wisdom of rhe the mystery came through to Paul on the road to Damascus to all humanity and we are to teach to the heavenlies this wisdom of God as Paul teaches in Ephesians 3:10 and many other places
My posts incomplete but makes my point
If God didn’t harden the necks of Jews we would not be in this thread! We are gentiles


I glorify Jesus for His compassion the Father gave Him ❤️😊💯
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The same sun that hardens clay, melts wax.
 
2 Peter 3:8 - The Lord is good to those whose hope is in him, to the one who seeks him; it is good to wait quietly for the salvation of the Lord.
 
Battousai said:
Gentiles meaning non-Jewish European Romans.

Imagine using this verse as something positive. The fact that Jews make so many of you hate your culture and ethnicity is amazing.
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They WERE the chosen, but their rejection of Messiah has given us WAY more than they had. I don't expect you to understand this because many Christians don't understand it.

For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
 
heavyiron said:
They WERE the chosen, but their rejection of Messiah has given us WAY more than they had. I don't expect you to understand this because many Christians don't understand it.

For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
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I do understand it. You accepting it is what's confusing. You follow Jewish scripture, a Jewish God, and follow a Jewish rabbi Messiah. Judaism is an apocalyptic cult. All people in the Abrahamic realm say that the apocalypse must happen, and for that to happen, a world war has to happen where Israel is the center of that war, and then the Messiah will reign death on the world and gentiles.

You guys are all bickering over little details of "who has the right version" but in the end you still following Jewish scripture and a Jewish religion. It's like believing in a fictional book, but debating about the characters within that novel, and thinking that gives you more truth than the other person. You still uplift their worldview.

Jewish people love that Christians spread their religion for them. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. You think differentiating yourself from Jews makes a difference in the grand sceme? Then all Christians can do is say "but but we're the ones that follow Christ!" without even realizing they created the figure of Christ to get people to follow their cult and accept passivism.

And all that's beside the fact that you still follow a God that "chose" Jews.
 
Battousai said:
I do understand it. You accepting it is what's confusing. You follow Jewish scripture, a Jewish God, and follow a Jewish rabbi Messiah. Judaism is an apocalyptic cult. All people in the Abrahamic realm say that the apocalypse must happen, and for that to happen, a world war has to happen where Israel is the center of that war, and then the Messiah will reign death on the world and gentiles.

You guys are all bickering over little details of "who has the right version" but in the end you still following Jewish scripture and a Jewish religion. It's like believing in a fictional book, but debating about the characters within that novel, and thinking that gives you more truth than the other person. You still uplift their worldview.

Jewish people love that Christians spread their religion for them. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. You think differentiating yourself from Jews makes a difference in the grand sceme? Then all Christians can do is say "but but we're the ones that follow Christ!" without even realizing they created the figure of Christ to get people to follow their cult and accept passivism.

And all that's beside the fact that you still follow a God that "chose" Jews.
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Love you brother. Christ died for YOU. His dark skin is a stumbling block to some for sure.

The Jews didn't even exist when Christ was first revealed in the book.
 
heavyiron said:
Love you brother. Christ died for YOU. His dark skin is a stumbling block to some for sure.

The Jews didn't even exist when Christ was first revealed in the book.
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No hate towards you. Love you too. I was raised on that stuff. Dad's a pastor. Glad I dont have ti deal with that shit anymore. Lol
 
Battousai said:
No hate towards you. Love you too. I was raised on that stuff. Dad's a pastor. Glad I dont have ti deal with that shit anymore. Lol
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Do you have a good relationship with your dad or?
 

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