Why all the hate for Dbol?

[Theotherone55]

Because alot of "gurus" in YouTube say its liver toxic and can not be used in modern bodybuilding
Same with oral winstrol - they say its extremely toxic and bad in almost every aspect.

I lnow for a fact alot of IFBB pros use dbol for bulking and winny precontest.

Where are you getting this info from?
"Gurus" say no to dbol because there are better options that give less side effects. ALLL orals are liver toxic and if we were going to give examples of the MOST liver toxic dbol and winny arent them. Halotestin and superdrol are probably known as the most liver toxic. Dbol is the same a anadrol, winny, var, tbol, etc. Nothing more nothing less.

All the IFBB and high level NPC guys i know still use winny as precontest drug. That, superdrol and var are stillll extremely popular. Dbol is not a choice honestly. MOST high level guys dont even use orals in the offseason. MAYBE anadrol if their appetite can handle it but lots use drop as a precontest drug too.

 

[Meetketchup]

MOST high level guys dont even use orals in the offseason. MAYBE anadrol if their appetite can handle it but lots use drop as a precontest drug too.

Same experience on my end. I can count on one hand the number of guys I've known/seen running DBol during the off-season over the last couple of years. If a mid to high level competitor does run an oral in a growth phase it's usually Anadrol or Var.

Later stages of prep it's Winny, Halo and maybe Drol of SD to full out right before show.

The majority of people still running DBol are gym bros who don't really care about aesthetics and just want to be big.

 

[JC33]

Not advocating anything, but when I blast I’m ready. That means blood pressure meds on hand and everything. Most guys just ride the cycle as it is. Don’t be that guy… most importantly know when to back off.

Agreed. Once eyes and skin are yellow and your nose won’t stop bleeding and you’ve lost everything, it’s time to back off.

 

[Theotherone55]

The majority of people still running DBol are gym bros who don't really care about aesthetics and just want to be big.

This 1000x LOL

 

[domestic-supply]

Where are you getting this info from?
"Gurus" say no to dbol because there are better options that give less side effects. ALLL orals are liver toxic and if we were going to give examples of the MOST liver toxic dbol and winny arent them. Halotestin and superdrol are probably known as the most liver toxic. Dbol is the same a anadrol, winny, var, tbol, etc. Nothing more nothing less.

All the IFBB and high level NPC guys i know still use winny as precontest drug. That, superdrol and var are stillll extremely popular. Dbol is not a choice honestly. MOST high level guys dont even use orals in the offseason. MAYBE anadrol if their appetite can handle it but lots use drop as a precontest drug too.

Liver toxicity is a myth, if your liver isnt fucked to begin with then orals wont kill it, Ive taken more dbol/drol than All of the guys commenting in this thread combined together, my liver is super healthy Those who were born with a weak liver shouldnt lift weights and take steroids, there are many other sports, these people can play chess for example
If you want to get bigger Dbol has no alternatives believe it or not. High level competitors are already big and their goal is to get a better look, get more shredded. Sure most of them dont need dbol or Anadrol at this point.
You know Dbol is cheap as a dirt, thanks God there are YouTube gurus saying Dbol and Anadrol are worse than anything else, pure rat poison, it helps me sell more Anavar which is 3-4 times more expensive as Dbol LOL

 

[Theotherone55]

Liver toxicity is a myth, if your liver isnt fucked to begin with then orals wont kill it, Ive taken more dbol/drol than All of the guys commenting in this thread combined together, my liver is super healthy Those who were born with a weak liver shouldnt lift weights and take steroids, there are many other sports, these people can play chess for example
If you want to get bigger Dbol has no alternatives believe it or not. High level competitors are already big and their goal is to get a better look, get more shredded. Sure most of them dont need dbol or Anadrol at this point.
You know Dbol is cheap as a dirt, thanks God there are YouTube gurus saying Dbol and Anadrol are worse than anything else, pure rat poison, it helps me sell more Anavar which is 3-4 times more expensive as Dbol LOL

I think you are confusing my point because you didnt answer my question.
What gurus do you know...that told you that dbol and winny and drol were liver toxic? You've mentioned it twice now.

My point was to say halo and superdrol will skew your numbers MORE THAN THE OTHERS and that dbol isnt in that group. I am a competitor, i know LOTS of competitors. Pros and amateurs. NONE take dbol. In fact, almost NONE take orals outside of dieting. Why? Because it fucks their appetite, not because their livers will die.
There are internet folklore...and then there's what real BBers do. Hugely different. I've noticed that A LOT of this board lives in the internet folklore.

 

[domestic-supply]

Same experience on my end. I can count on one hand the number of guys I've known/seen running DBol during the off-season over the last couple of years. If a mid to high level competitor does run an oral in a growth phase it's usually Anadrol or Var.

Later stages of prep it's Winny, Halo and maybe Drol of SD to full out right before show.

The majority of people still running DBol are gym bros who don't really care about aesthetics and just want to be big.

See when youre a newbie and come to the gym all you want is to get as big as biggest guys in you gym. You`re not thinking about quality of these gains because youre skinny. All of us were skinny in the beginning. Nothing makes you bigger as fast as a Dbol. And once you get big you can include Masteron and Winstrol in your menu

 

[domestic-supply]

I think you are confusing my point because you didnt answer my question.
What gurus do you know...that told you that dbol and winny and drol were liver toxic? You've mentioned it twice now.

My point was to say halo and superdrol will skew your numbers MORE THAN THE OTHERS and that dbol isnt in that group. I am a competitor, i know LOTS of competitors. Pros and amateurs. NONE take dbol. In fact, almost NONE take orals outside of dieting. Why? Because it fucks their appetite, not because their livers will die.
There are internet folklore...and then there's what real BBers do. Hugely different. I've noticed that A LOT of this board lives in the internet folklore.

Anabolic Doc and many others, never heard these guys saying anything good about Dbol, usually they describe a long list of side effects including water retention/water gains, liver toxicity and so on
Personally I never had appetite suppression on Dbol. Happens when you take Anadrol but I never experienced anything like that off the Dbol.
Talking about internet folklore.. More plates more dates, that guy said he was taking 30mg of dbol I wouldnt even call it an experience you can share with the others, yet these people do videos and spread nonsense and alot of younger guys listen to that bullshit.
Sure there are other options besides Dbol, my point is nothing compares to Dbol effectiveness when it comes to bulking.

 

[domestic-supply]

Typical Winstrol video from Anabolic Doc

TABLE OF CONTENTS:
00:57 - WINSTROL HISTORY
02:55 - MEDICAL USES
06:42 - PHARMACOLOGY & STRUCTURE
08:17 - unique feature: temporarily supresses sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG)
10:25 - SIDE EFFECTS
11:16 - Androgenic Side Effects
11:44 - balding & acne in men and women despite 5 alpha reduction
12:11 - LIVER SIDE EFFECTS
12:51 - liver strain, damage, cysts, & cancer
13:32 - Winstrol V (injectable) also liver toxic
13:58 - SOFT TISSUE DAMAGE

• aches, tendon ruptures, permanent muscle damge & weakness

15:35 - HYPOGONADISM (ASIH)
16:01 - CARDIOVASCULAR SIDE EFFECTS

 

[Syntha Claus]

If a mid to high level competitor does run an oral in a growth phase it's usually Anadrol

So what would be the difference between the two if used for this?


And, not specifically addressed to you but, is it possible that dbol has become out of favor because only the old guys remember how effective it is/was and everyone under 40 seems to want to use anything else, as long as it is the “latest and greatest”?

 

[Glycomann]

So what would be the difference between the two if used for this?


And, not specifically addressed to you but, is it possible that dbol has become out of favor because only the old guys remember how effective it is/was and everyone under 40 seems to want to use anything else, as long as it is the “latest and greatest”?

Larry Scott 1965 Mr. Olympia Dianabol only contest prep cycle.

 

[D3vilson]

Alot of guys use it to get a quick jump start before their main compound saturates. Then drop it. Hey it does the job

No it doesn't. Youre not gaining any more tissue from dbol than primo. Water, glycogen and the scale going up is not muscle.
Dbol is for perma bulkers who are 20+% bf who chase a number on the scale but for some reason never actually grow a lot of muscle

 

[D3vilson]

Who wants to know how to run dbol properly?

The best way to run it is toss it in the trash high blood pressure and water retention is what kills kidneys

 

[Glycomann]

No it doesn't. Youre not gaining any more tissue from dbol than primo. Water, glycogen and the scale going up is not muscle.
Dbol is for perma bulkers who are 20+% bf who chase a number on the scale but for some reason never actually grow a lot of muscle

Larry Scott had the dianabol receptor.

 

[D3vilson]

Larry Scott had the dianabol receptor.

Larry Scott had great genetics but wouldn't place at a local show in that picture. He looks like what the end of a growth phase should be. He's very watery. Not sure your point.

 

[D3vilson]

Hey guys Ronnie used Hershey syrup in his protein shakes and kc master piece BBQ sauce on his chicken in contest prep I guess this means everyone can do it

 

[Glycomann]

Larry Scott had great genetics but wouldn't place at a local show in that picture. He looks like what the end of a growth phase should be. He's very watery. Not sure your point.

He is vascular in the legs and has no waist on dianabol in 1965. If the photo resolution was at today's levels you would more clearly see his striations in his shoulder and probably medialis. His genetics are certainly not superior to pros today. He knew how to use tools at his disposal and had the discipline to sculpt himself into something that no one had ever seen before. You are blinded by bias and have no appreciation for the history of this sport. All he had was dianabol and looked like a demigod. If you can't see my point then that is on you.

 

[Devilman1717]

because it serves no logical purpose in modern PED protocol design


1) The golden era were not the "Best physiques ever created" some golden erra legends wouldnt even earn a pro card today in bodybuilding.
2) they werent "created with dbol" they used anything and everything that was available and dbol was just one of the few options available at the time.


It WAS. we have better knowledge and options now.


You can think whatever you like, your personal preference in men is no concern of mine. you do you bro, no judgement.
But if you take any top5 Olympian from the last 10 years and put them the golden erra stage, they still win.
Physiques today are objectively better developed, more conditioned, and more complete/balanced than the golden erra physiques.

Bro I dont think you understand the meaning behind the term Golden Era and that is ABSOLUTELY Arnolds time. Not today. Lol You think just because today they are wider, weigh over 300lbs of muscle instead of around 250lb, have legs that are double the size of Arnolds era, yet their arms arent any bigger... Just the large muscle groups get massive and thats from growth, insulin, and igf. I've NEVER heard anyone debate the fact that Arnolds time wasn't the Goleden era. Lol

 

[Fat Mike01]

No it doesn't. Youre not gaining any more tissue from dbol than primo. Water, glycogen and the scale going up is not muscle.
Dbol is for perma bulkers who are 20+% bf who chase a number on the scale but for some reason never actually grow a lot of muscle

Whatever works for you buddy

 

[Machforce1]

Bro I dont think you understand the meaning behind the term Golden Era and that is ABSOLUTELY Arnolds time. Not today. Lol You think just because today they are wider, weigh over 300lbs of muscle instead of around 250lb, have legs that are double the size of Arnolds era, yet their arms arent any bigger... Just the large muscle groups get massive and thats from growth, insulin, and igf. I've NEVER heard anyone debate the fact that Arnolds time wasn't the Goleden era. Lol

You won’t get any argument from me. I much prefer the physiques of the Golden Era to those of today. But it’s completely subjective. Some guys like the mass monster look more than the Zane look. I personally like Breon Ansley’s physique these days. Dude looks fantastic even though he only weighs 180.

 

[MackVMT]

Bro I dont think you understand the meaning behind the term Golden Era and that is ABSOLUTELY Arnolds time. Not today. Lol You think just because today they are wider, weigh over 300lbs of muscle instead of around 250lb, have legs that are double the size of Arnolds era, yet their arms arent any bigger... Just the large muscle groups get massive and thats from growth, insulin, and igf. I've NEVER heard anyone debate the fact that Arnolds time wasn't the Goleden era. Lol

Agree and the only way to know for sure on how they truly compare is if you had them together on stage today and they were judged (you would need time travel to be able to compare them in their prime ). Judges change how they score and it is often not consistent from one contest to the next.

If a guy has never been a pro and is not a current pro or a judge, they don't really know, they just guess, like everyone else and they have their preferences. The pros and judges are guessing too but their opinions hold more weight with me vs some guy with a one dimensional thought process.

Some guys don't understand the difference between objective and subjective. Just because a group of people have the same opinion, it doesn't make that opinion a fact.

 

[MackVMT]

Not advocating anything, but when I blast I’m ready. That means blood pressure meds on hand and everything. Most guys just ride the cycle as it is. Don’t be that guy… most importantly know when to back off.

For sure. In my youth, I def did things backwards. I am much more prepared and health conscious these days.

 

[Meetketchup]

Agree and the only way to know for sure on how they truly compare is if you had them together on stage today and they were judged (you would need time travel to be able to compare them in their prime ). Even judges change how they score and it isn't even constant from one contest to the next.

If a guy has never been a pro and is not a current pro or a judge, they don't really know, they just guess, like everyone else and they have their preferences.

Some guys don't understand the difference between objective and subjective. Just because a group of people have the same opinion, it doesn't make that opinion a fact.

I get your point, truly. However, if you've competed and/or judged you know preference plays a small part in outcome as there are objective standards that are judged. Thus, there are objective differences between Golden Era and today and it's not close. This is why I never compare generations as the sport evolves. Take MMA, it's like comparing Royce Gracie to a modern-day champion. Royce would get wrecked not because he wasn't amazing in his time, but the sport evolved. Same goes for bodybuilding Arnold or his equivalents would get smoked standing on stage with a top modern-day Olympian. That's why I prefer having a GOAT for their specific time period.

And DBol still sucks.

If some of you love using it and get what you want out of it...more power to you.

 

[MackVMT]

I get your point, truly. However, if you've competed and/or judged you know preference plays a small part in outcome as there are objective standards that are judged. Thus, there are objective differences between Golden Era and today and it's not close. This is why I never compare generations as the sport evolves. Take MMA, it's like comparing Royce Gracie to a modern-day champion. Royce would get wrecked not because he wasn't amazing in his time, but the sport evolved. Same goes for bodybuilding Arnold or his equivalents would get smoked standing on stage with a top modern-day Olympian. That's why I prefer having a GOAT for their specific time period.

And DBol still sucks.

If some of you love using it and get what you want out of it...more power to you.

Shit, even Arnold won at least one I don't think he should have. How much do you think sport politics play into it?

BTW- I am not saying anyone is wrong or right. I like to see both sides of any discussion like this one. I just cringe when someone posts their opinion as a fact and they don't even attempt to view any other angle/perspective
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[JC33]

You guys are making me want to take dbol and get 270 fat. I’ll be red in the face, sweaty, double chin but I’ll be 270.. Then I can tell all my friends, I got up to 270 once

 

[Meetketchup]

BTW- I am not saying anyone is wrong or right. I like to see both sides of any discussion like this one. I just cringe when someone posts their opinion as a fact and they don't even attempt to view any other side.

Quote of the day! 110% agree. That's why I like steel manning the opposing argument so I can understand the other side as much as I can before tearing it apart if need be. lol

 

[JC33]

Quote of the day! 110% agree. That's why I like steel manning the opposing argument so I can understand the other side as much as I can before tearing it apart if need be. lol

Dbol caused cancer in 100% of the…

 

[Meetketchup]

Dbol caused cancer in 100% of the…

Well, you thought cardarine did. So....

 

[Astro95]

I feel like someone needs to sponsor some Dbol cycles for guys that know what they’re doing and can stick to a diet and log it to put this argument to rest on weather Dbol works or not. I know a lot of guys comment on this from an experienced point of view, but I’m sure others doing the good ol parroting what others said.

 

[302]

I feel like someone needs to sponsor some Dbol cycles for guys that know what they’re doing and can stick to a diet and log it to put this argument to rest on weather Dbol works or not. I know a lot of guys comment on this from an experienced point of view, but I’m sure others doing the good ol parroting what others said.

Hold my beer!!