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Yeah man- u didn't mention ur age or ur experience w/ aas. I'm assuming ur young and healthy( couldn't see ur lab work- may just be my fault). Tren is probably the strongest compound on earth imo. 400 is a pretty stout dose. I wouldn't do more than 2 or 3 cycles a year- and that's if I was in my 20s or 30s. If ur 40 or older, I wouldn't do more than 1 cycle a year. I just turned 59 Sunday and my body just can't take it anymore period. But when I was younger it didn't bother me whatsoever. I loved it and what it did for my body. The last thing I will say is- if I knew then what I know now- I wouldn't do it at all. Anything that CAN have ALL the different sides- mental,physical etc. Just can't be good for ur overall health. All this is just 1 guys opinion/experience and everyone is different- and ur probably gonna do it anyway- so my advice is remember that some things have long term ramifications that can't be undone- not trying to scare u bud- but be very careful w/ that stuff- it can get u in trouble in more ways than 1- good luck and welcome to the forum- HRNeed a bit of help, I ran a test (400) and tren (400) cycle for 8 weeks, loved the results, has been 8 weeks since I finished it ( no need of pct since I’m on trt). My question is, how often or how many times can I run the same cycle (test + tren) per year?
One other thing- just a suggestion- if ur gonna do it, maybe try a lower dose and see how it works- maybe 200? 400 is a lot- again good luck-HRYeah man- u didn't mention ur age or ur experience w/ aas. I'm assuming ur young and healthy( couldn't see ur lab work- may just be my fault). Tren is probably the strongest compound on earth imo. 400 is a pretty stout dose. I wouldn't do more than 2 or 3 cycles a year- and that's if I was in my 20s or 30s. If ur 40 or older, I wouldn't do more than 1 cycle a year. I just turned 59 Sunday and my body just can't take it anymore period. But when I was younger it didn't bother me whatsoever. I loved it and what it did for my body. The last thing I will say is- if I knew then what I know now- I wouldn't do it at all. Anything that CAN have ALL the different sides- mental,physical etc. Just can't be good for ur overall health. All this is just 1 guys opinion/experience and everyone is different- and ur probably gonna do it anyway- so my advice is remember that some things have long term ramifications that can't be undone- not trying to scare u bud- but be very careful w/ that stuff- it can get u in trouble in more ways than 1- good luck and welcome to the forum- HR
Sorry, I’m new to this and don’t know how to erase or reopen the chat to attach the files, hopefully they go through this time!Sorry I forgot to include my labs while I was on the cycle, here they are..




Hey Matt88, thanks for the reply..Good God man. Did you even look at your cover ups?
At what point of the cycle was that lab work taken? It was collected 3/1/22 but you said you have been off 8 weeks? Explain.....I pray that wasn't your labs BEFORE the cycle. Bet them kidney was screaming oh fuck during the tren run if that was your kidneys before tren. Help me out here.....what am I missing?
We need that information Z and H
Your estrogen was in the dirt. Bet your joints was as dry as Nancy Pelosis vag. Also bet you felt like a pile of steaming shit (been there done that bc I didn't know any better) How much AI was you taking?
Your kidney function was not great. How much water was you drinking?
Hematocrit was on the verge of needing to donate blood or take some off your self.
I'd throw in some daily vitamin D for good measure. Yours wasn't low but was low normal.
Liver looked good which leads me to question AGAIN if this was before your tren run.
I'd get labs again BEFORE touching tren again. You need to make sure your kidney function is optimal. If it looks like it did in those labs I wouldn't run it. Maybe you was super dehydrated?
Thanks to all of you for the replies, and yes you guys are correct, I had the labs done at the beginning of march and I started the cycle on the 13th of march, I do not have labs during the cycle, for some reason I ended up thinking I got the labs the on the first weeks of the cycle, sound weird but I did, sorry for the confusion...Sorry, I’m new to this and don’t know how to erase or reopen the chat to attach the files, hopefully they go through this time!
A lot of people are ignorant to the complexity of AAS and their consequences. I’d say a high percentage of people start outta curiosity since steroids obviously mean you’ll get jacked asf just because you’re taking them… I was once one of them.When I initially read your first post,I had a feeling it was you Very First Cycle..
Just skip right to Tren...
Huge Mistake...
WoW....please tell us Why..???
Z...
Couldn’t agree more.Well Said...
What I find annoying is that many..many man hours of members helping to establish stickys..threads..and personal failures,get ignored..or even worse..read and discarded..
With only a few good hrs of research..One should stumble over things that..they don't understand..
That Should raise concern..Not tossed..!!
That type of mindset..I just don't understand..Everything,if really researched,he read about Tren..Should have frightened him...not encouraging the OP to try Tren..
BUT
It continues to happen,sadly..
I mean screw it..
I don't know what I'm doing..Full Speed Ahead.
I've personally written so many threads and post about how important the first two cycles are..and Test Only..As many have before ME..Explaining in great detail the need for bloods and a basic understanding of AI's..prior the 1st pin..
Yet..dead ears...
But what usually follows is the countless threads after the damage is done..why is this..and why do I have tits now crap we all see..
With all this Free accessible data at one's fingertips..I can only say...
Foolish and Risky...
Sorry you use Tren on your very 1st cycle... Kinda deserve a fiery crash..
If not...
Halo..Methly..SD..and cheque drops..for cycle 2...
I have a hard time wrapping my head around this...just stupid..
No One here would even think about recommended Tren in the 1st cycle..
Well,then 8wk cycle...???
Hell..who has a bottle of PIP to sell to him..
Sorry OP..but that wasn't smart at ALL..maybe in the top 5 of what never to DO..
Z...

I had an incompletely typed thought. Apologies. Z refers to Zion. H refers to hot rod. I meant to say we needed the information they ask you for.Thanks to all of you for the replies, and yes you guys are correct, I had the labs done at the beginning of march and I started the cycle on the 13th of march, I do not have labs during the cycle, for some reason I ended up thinking I got the labs the on the first weeks of the cycle, sound weird but I did, sorry for the confusion...
I've been on TRT for almost 10 years (125mg twice a week) test comes mixed with an estrogen blocker (1mg of anastrozole per 250 mg of test)
Never done a cycle in my life but the tren/test I ran at the beginning of the year, so I have no experience
Felt great and looked in awesome shape, (ill try to upload a pic on the avatar)
I am 54 yo
I am 6 foot tall
wight is 190
Just in case is needed, this are my current body measurements
Neck 17 in
Chest 44 in
Shoulders 50
Arms 16 in
Stomach 32 in
Glutes 42 in
Legs 24 in
Calves 16 in
-About my kidneys, for the last 3 labs I get the same number, and the nurse at the place where I get my TRT said not to worry unless the number gets lower than 57 which is not abnormal for men on TRT. Should I worry?
-I'm sorry, what are Z and H? (tried to look it up but couldn't figure it out)
-Estrogen was low because I was on Raloxifene, I developed gyno a few years ago even though the test I inject has a bit of anastrozole, so I did some research and I ended up deciding to take Raloxifene which helped me get rid of the gyno, has been almost invisible for almost a year now, I would say that it got rid of about 90% of it. And ever since I stopped raloxifene I added a bit of letrozole, 4 mg once a week just to be safe, is there a sweet spot for estrogen? should be the same for everybody or does everybody have different needs?
-I will get blood work before I start to make sure things are ok, and in the middle of the cycle as well, this time I will keep track of things
Again, thank you so much for your advice guys, what you do here is invaluable, extremely kind and so helpful.
Yeah- this is what I get for trying to give advice to someone w/ no data whatsoever on them. Of course I totally retract my earlier post. And I don't need to add anything- u guys covered it- however I learned a lesson- get some info before handing out advice- which has now changed to 0 cycles a year until he gets some medical answers- sorry op- I should have just said what I really think- tren is very dangerous- especially if u don't know what ur doing. No disrespect too u bud- but I wouldn't do any steroids unless u get more healthy- and do MUCH more research- Good luck too u man!-HROne other thing- just a suggestion- if ur gonna do it, maybe try a lower dose and see how it works- maybe 200? 400 is a lot- again good luck-HR
Thanks man!Rule of thumb for cycles is time on = time off and max cycle length is 12 weeks.
Thanks, HR, I turned 54 in April, I've worked out since I was 18, always been healthy, I have kept the same weight for more than 30 years, no diseases or surgeries of any kind, the only Dr. visits were for minor accidents and the flu.Yeah man- u didn't mention ur age or ur experience w/ aas. I'm assuming ur young and healthy( couldn't see ur lab work- may just be my fault). Tren is probably the strongest compound on earth imo. 400 is a pretty stout dose. I wouldn't do more than 2 or 3 cycles a year- and that's if I was in my 20s or 30s. If ur 40 or older, I wouldn't do more than 1 cycle a year. I just turned 59 Sunday and my body just can't take it anymore period. But when I was younger it didn't bother me whatsoever. I loved it and what it did for my body. The last thing I will say is- if I knew then what I know now- I wouldn't do it at all. Anything that CAN have ALL the different sides- mental,physical etc. Just can't be good for ur overall health. All this is just 1 guys opinion/experience and everyone is different- and ur probably gonna do it anyway- so my advice is remember that some things have long term ramifications that can't be undone- not trying to scare u bud- but be very careful w/ that stuff- it can get u in trouble in more ways than 1- good luck and welcome to the forum- HR
Thank man!I go strictly by blood work regardless of compounds I always run full blood work 90 days after to make sure everything is back to normal. Once everything in range I plan the next cycle .

