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Ugl vs pharma

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Anyone use both ugl pharmacy grade stuff ? I always see things online about people saying to beware of UGL gear. I have always use you GL and as far as I know, I don’t have any major issues from it. I’ve had bad pip from gear. But what else would you be looking for. What are the main differences between the two. Can ugl make just as good and pure gear as pharma ???


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I had horrible PIP from pharma test and zero from the the 2 UGLs I use. I think in many ways the UGLs try a little harder in terms of brewing because they’re having ti compete with each other for business so they use the exotic oils, do the blends, etc. Besides, the absolute fucking state of some of those compound labs that send guys their TRT would probably shock you. Absolutely disgusting. There’s three UGL labs I’d use over anything from Empower or any other compound lab. Two are here and one is not on this site but has a sterling reputation.
 
Im on prescription trt. I know my numbers for ugl and pharma grade.
My numbers running both the same way are close to the same. The pharma free tests is actually lower than UGL.
But here is the big one. I can go a week between injections on pharma because of the oil. I had to inject every 3 days on UGL.
I can inject the weeks total and have higher free at the end of the week than I had from ugl at 3.5 days.
 
In the past I had access to pharma through a plastic surgeon/family friend and through a veterinarian. At least I knew it was 100% real, the correct consistency and my risk for an infection was significantly lower. I really liked knowing those things. Even the best UGL can make a mistake and we are the guinea pigs.
 
Bruh the average joe don’t access to that stuff and most supposedly pharma stuff is fake from Europe and I never had a promblem from my ugl
In the past I had access to pharma through a plastic surgeon/family friend and through a veterinarian. At least I knew it was 100% real, the correct consistency and my risk for an infection was significantly lower. I really liked knowing those things. Even the best UGL can make a mistake and we are the guinea pigs.
 
UGL can make just as good. Pharma would more peace of mind.

I agree , especially after seeing some mistakes made at the compounding pharmacies. Also, the generic and approve re-labeler companies in the US. Just seeing Teva and a few others that when tested , some tablets and capsules varied so much and some had less than 20% active ingredients or wrong inactive ingredients(which CAN completely change how a drug works in the body). I hate seeing it because most of the mental medications for elderly and children were the main ones they messed up. ADHD, ADD, antidepressant ,
Alzheimer’s generics. The letters of warning, fines , and even the closing of business have happened. So…..pretty much open to nice clean, safe UGL practices. When they can show clean room , ventilation area (even in a pole barn or large rec area ) that would be a huge positive in my buying decision. Especially when they test their raw API powder or liquid(undecylenate) for purity and contaminants.

Max
 
I agree , especially after seeing some mistakes made at the compounding pharmacies. Also, the generic and approve re-labeler companies in the US. Just seeing Teva and a few others that when tested , some tablets and capsules varied so much and some had less than 20% active ingredients or wrong inactive ingredients(which CAN completely change how a drug works in the body). I hate seeing it because most of the mental medications for elderly and children were the main ones they messed up. ADHD, ADD, antidepressant ,
Alzheimer’s generics. The letters of warning, fines , and even the closing of business have happened. So…..pretty much open to nice clean, safe UGL practices. When they can show clean room , ventilation area (even in a pole barn or large rec area ) that would be a huge positive in my buying decision. Especially when they test their raw API powder or liquid(undecylenate) for purity and contaminants.

Max
Theres also a difference between pharma, pharma grade, and ugl. @Drugsgear can give a whole lesson on this. It is impossible to obtain licenses for the production of boldenone, trenbolone acetate and other products that are not used in the treatment of humans. These brands can be made in conditions under which these drugs are manufactured can be envied by many manufacturers of licensed pharmaceuticals.

I might have to make a whole new topic in our subforum for this because I see a lot of confusion on what real pharma is.

Example:

Those who say that the Balkans are underground, for starters, let them look at the video of the plant. The underground plant that was built within the city with a huge sign does not look like an underground at all.
here is the video

Balkan Pharma has a subsidiary called SP Laboratory
Balkan Pharma created SP Laboratory because it is impossible to obtain licenses for the production of boldenone, trenbolone acetate and other products that are not used in the treatment of humans.
Sp laboratory is not a licensed production, but the conditions under which these drugs are manufactured can be envied by many manufacturers of licensed pharmaceuticals.
 
Anyone use both ugl pharmacy grade stuff ? I always see things online about people saying to beware of UGL gear. I have always use you GL and as far as I know, I don’t have any major issues from it. I’ve had bad pip from gear. But what else would you be looking for. What are the main differences between the two. Can ugl make just as good and pure gear as pharma ???


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I have used both ugl and pharma. There’s no reason to pay more for pharma imo. A good ugl can produce products that are just as potent as pharm grade. The only difference I could see is real pharm grade is always going to be spot on as far as dosing every batch and 100% sterile. No floaters etc. little to no pip.
 
Well I get my pharma from the pharmacy with a script from my doctor. I know exactly what I’m getting. It’s not as cheap as the ugl I used to get but it’s don’t cost as much as a lot of the ugl I see now. It’s actually cheaper than a lot of ugl
 
Yeah I would think they would be equal as long as the ugl is dosed correctly and all. Seemed like in the late 90s early 2000 pharm grade was way better and I think it was because the ugls were just becoming a thing well at least from my research and connections back then. I remember the satchets we used to get were very hit or miss underdosed.
 
Anyone use both ugl pharmacy grade stuff ? I always see things online about people saying to beware of UGL gear. I have always use you GL and as far as I know, I don’t have any major issues from it. I’ve had bad pip from gear. But what else would you be looking for. What are the main differences between the two. Can ugl make just as good and pure gear as pharma ???


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Some info out there regarding UGL's isn't wrong, it's factual that some UGL's fail to meet standard requirements that are expected.. The major things people should consider above most is the fact that a GREAT portion of compounds that are manufactured by the UGL market are neither made for human use nor have any real life applications in medical treatments anymore or maybe never did - whether the drug had a short life span at one point therapeutically or was replaced by an alternative where an other (competitor) large pharma group won the contract with compounding a NEW drug, or one by lobbyist power backing.

What about analogs (designer drugs)?

Furthermore, there comes supply and demand and corners are cut, becoming listless in the quality/sterilization process.. Are UGL's following PCSOP's (Pharmaceutical Compounding Standard Operating Procedures)? Hell no, there's NO inspection, PERIOD!


However some UGL's have a serious network of investors ($Millions$) in which it provides them with the proper compounding/laboratory equipment and facilities available, and there is quality control department because this is an enterprise, these networks wish to stay in the market so systems of checks are applied in some networks.. Example - Blister packs/vial trays in boxes, ampules and security features, lot/batch #s and so on. Or manufacturing GH and placing/housing it in dual chambers, Euro-Pharmacies has HG chambers just as an example (The process with cultivating and exacting, and Lyophilizing the polypeptide hormone/of recombinant DNA origin, is methodical and extremely sensitive in-which can NOT be done is some generic vat/cistern for that matter), along with the preparation/manipulation & compounding of other AAS on a COMMERCIAL scale..

These are known as: Super Facilities in which they are operated by well rounded researchers, highly qualified chemists and scientist that are educated exclusively in developing, compounding, chemical synthesis, and most particularly pharmaceutical and bio-active substances (from laboratory to production scale)..Education in such fields are very common and cheaper in certain regions of the world, some of these chemist can posses an impressive resume!

Such facilities can house equipment such as ceramic microfiltration, to double ventilated sterilization transfer stations, and high end commercial pill presses and labeling machinery (which are illegal in many geographical locations worldwide without a licenses/registration)..These places can meet the same criteria and standards of other "outsourcing" compounding facilities worldwide that are seen and recognized by the FDA.. I'm not stating that these UGL facilities are registered (some are too in there country ONLY, I'm merely stating that they can operate in the same fashion as their registered/or unregistered counterparts known as "outsourcing facilities", large GMP facilities....

Just and FYI; An outsourcing facility can qualify for exemptions from the FDA approval requirements and the requirement to label products with adequate directions for use, but not the exemption from other practices or requirements.

What's pivotal here and often overseen, is LOCATION,LOCATION,LOCATION..

I'll end this by saying "Pharmaceutical grade" is hands down the best, but is now limited do to mass counterfeiting, further more not all AAS was intended for HUMAN use, so how on earth would people procure Pharma-Grade BOLD, TREN or even ORALS (old school AAS) for that matter that are no longer being recognized as a practical method for treatment in clinical settings world wide, a good example NPP (rarely used any more by HG) ? Some of the most common names of AAS in CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY are no longer being produced for distribution...The UGL market seems to be the go-to if anyone wishes to utilize most of these compounds! True story......

LARGE PHARMA created this vortex with the UGL market with company merging and buy-outs, price inflations, laws and regulations that have been place forth. Cooperate greed.

Lets look at some supplement companies that mass produce proteins drinks, and many have been found to possess heavy metals, or failing to meet the labeled nutritional content an so on, and these are licensed facilities with products found in just about any food store.
 
Well I get my pharma from the pharmacy with a script from my doctor. I know exactly what I’m getting. It’s not as cheap as the ugl I used to get but it’s don’t cost as much as a lot of the ugl I see now. It’s actually cheaper than a lot of ugl

Pharma test is about 10 bucks with insurance. It cost the pharma company around 30 cents a bottle to make. Testosterone is still synthesized from yams by some companies so I cant imagine it being hard to do
 
Pharma test is about 10 bucks with insurance. It cost the pharma company around 30 cents a bottle to make. Testosterone is still synthesized from yams by some companies so I cant imagine it being hard to do
Yes and a lot of people in America get 10ml vials for free. It’s a shame Australia isn’t the same
 

This is good to know as well . . The meaning of “Authorized generics” and generics. Found out the hard way on that

Max
 
Amazing feed back boys thank you . I can’t even reply to all the great feed back individually . Most of you told me what I already assumed. Currently the 2 sources I use are here . As far as I know I’ve had zero issues with either of them in any way at all. With the service/quality . I picked up some test from a pharmacy in Colombia . I made another thread about this with pics if anyone wants to check it out !


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What about pharma gh vs ugl ?? Can the gh be just as good ??? If it can then why tf was liver king spending 11k a month on pharma ??? I’ve heard people say that like generic gh isn’t as good ? I wama figure this out b4 I buy more gh .


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What about pharma gh vs ugl ?? Can the gh be just as good ??? If it can then why tf was liver king spending 11k a month on pharma ??? I’ve heard people say that like generic gh isn’t as good ? I wama figure this out b4 I buy more gh .


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This.
 
That’s a long, drawn out conversation that I don’t think you’ll see any real consensus about. In my humble opinion, yeah there’s a difference, but is it a big enough difference to warrant the price? Up to you to decide. Now about 5 people will reply to this telling you I’m full of shit and it all comes from the same place. 🤷‍♂️
 
Theres also a difference between pharma, pharma grade, and ugl. @Drugsgear can give a whole lesson on this. It is impossible to obtain licenses for the production of boldenone, trenbolone acetate and other products that are not used in the treatment of humans. These brands can be made in conditions under which these drugs are manufactured can be envied by many manufacturers of licensed pharmaceuticals.

I might have to make a whole new topic in our subforum for this because I see a lot of confusion on what real pharma is.

Example:

Those who say that the Balkans are underground, for starters, let them look at the video of the plant. The underground plant that was built within the city with a huge sign does not look like an underground at all.
here is the video

Balkan Pharma has a subsidiary called SP Laboratory
Balkan Pharma created SP Laboratory because it is impossible to obtain licenses for the production of boldenone, trenbolone acetate and other products that are not used in the treatment of humans.
Sp laboratory is not a licensed production, but the conditions under which these drugs are manufactured can be envied by many manufacturers of licensed pharmaceuticals.
balkan only makes test now.. no other compounds
 
Theres also a difference between pharma, pharma grade, and ugl. @Drugsgear can give a whole lesson on this. It is impossible to obtain licenses for the production of boldenone, trenbolone acetate and other products that are not used in the treatment of humans. These brands can be made in conditions under which these drugs are manufactured can be envied by many manufacturers of licensed pharmaceuticals.

I might have to make a whole new topic in our subforum for this because I see a lot of confusion on what real pharma is.

Example:

Those who say that the Balkans are underground, for starters, let them look at the video of the plant. The underground plant that was built within the city with a huge sign does not look like an underground at all.
here is the video

Balkan Pharma has a subsidiary called SP Laboratory
Balkan Pharma created SP Laboratory because it is impossible to obtain licenses for the production of boldenone, trenbolone acetate and other products that are not used in the treatment of humans.
Sp laboratory is not a licensed production, but the conditions under which these drugs are manufactured can be envied by many manufacturers of licensed pharmaceuticals.

If you make a new topic on sub forum please let me know !!! I don’t wana miss it


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If you do make a new thread about this please let me know !


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apparently they stopped making all other PEDs awhile ago

if you visit they're official website you can see what they are currently making

which sucks cause real balkan is high quality stuff
 
apparently they stopped making all other PEDs awhile ago

if you visit they're official website you can see what they are currently making

which sucks cause real balkan is high quality stuff
We still carry Balkan, the bottles I currently have expire late 2025
 

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