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Was thinking of running it at 600/600 but now reading it may crash my E2.

600 Primo seems to be the sweet spot for gains. I handle exogenous testosterone very well. I've been up to 1000mg/week and have not needed an AI. I'm 49 and have been on exogenous testosterone since I was 31. And I'm not talking TRT doses. All my labs are within normal limits however I've never tested my estrogen levels.

I dont want to go too far over 1000mg/week. 600/600 is pushing it for me. Maybe 1200 max. Will be starting on HGH as well. I think I'll really benefit from it considering my age. Plan is to work up to 5iu pre-bed.

How would you guys run this?
 
JG1 said:
Was thinking of running it at 600/600 but now reading it may crash my E2.

600 Primo seems to be the sweet spot for gains. I handle exogenous testosterone very well. I've been up to 1000mg/week and have not needed an AI. I'm 49 and have been on exogenous testosterone since I was 31. And I'm not talking TRT doses. All my labs are within normal limits however I've never tested my estrogen levels.

I dont want to go too far over 1000mg/week. 600/600 is pushing it for me. Maybe 1200 max. Will be starting on HGH as well. I think I'll really benefit from it considering my age. Plan is to work up to 5iu pre-bed.

How would you guys run this?
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If youve legitimately ran 1000mg/week with no ai and been "fine" then start your primo low, because you obviously dont aromatize for shit. I would run a minimum 3:1 ratio Test to primo. Maybe even 4:1 and check bloodwork. Start primo low in any case and see how bad the ai affect is for you. IMHO
 
If youve legitimately ran 1000mg/week with no ai and been "fine" then start your primo low, because you obviously dont aromatize for shit. I would run a minimum 3:1 ratio Test to primo. Maybe even 4:1 and check bloodwork. Start primo low in any case and see how bad the ai affect is for you. IMHO I think masteron would be a better compound choice for you, given your superhuman ability to not aromatize.
 
Hablooblah said:
If youve legitimately ran 1000mg/week with no ai and been "fine" then start your primo low, because you obviously dont aromatize for shit. I would run a minimum 3:1 ratio Test to primo. Maybe even 4:1 and check bloodwork. Start primo low in any case and see how bad the ai affect is for you. IMHO I think masteron would be a better compound choice for you, given your superhuman ability to not aromatize.
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If i run the test at 1000mg, Is 300 of Primo even worth it at that low of a dose? I could possibly nix the Primo and go with Mast instead.
 
JG1 said:
If i run the test at 1000mg, Is 300 of Primo even worth it at that low of a dose? I could possibly nix the Primo and go with Mast instead.
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On one hand, you have a problem with 600mg/week because you think that will crash your estrogen. On the other hand, apparently 300mgs is not even worth trying. You came to both of these conclusions already before even trying Primo. So what exactly is your question, what are you trying to get from this post?
 
JG1 said:
If i run the test at 1000mg, Is 300 of Primo even worth it at that low of a dose? I could possibly nix the Primo and go with Mast instead.
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I can only speak to what id do, and I would run Mast to avoid the likely possibility of crashing my estrogen on primo. because if you aromatize as little as youre letting on then getting yourself out of that potential hole is gonna fuckin suck. And youre wanting to push your compound as high as your test...in my humble opinion youre idea of 600/600 test primo would not be a good idea given the reasons I listed above. But 600test 600mast or close? Youd be golden. Ypute a genetic outlier with your low rate of e2 conversion, my brain would think that makes EQ or primo at a 1:1 w test a no go. You could still run them at a lower ratio but you need to find yours with bloodwork, no one can tell you especially cause of your conversion rates... But again im speaking only to what I would do if it were me, and im an idiot so take my advive with a grain of salt 👍
 
19NorFan said:
On one hand, you have a problem with 600mg/week because you think that will crash your estrogen. On the other hand, apparently 300mgs is not even worth trying. You came to both of these conclusions already before even trying Primo. So what exactly is your question, what are you trying to get from this post?
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I never said that I think 600 would crash my estrogen. Is it a concern? Yes. I've read a lot of anecdotal reports of people running it 1:1 without issues.

And I never said 300 is not even worth trying. You are just making shit up now. I was asking for opinions from people who have run lower doses of it.
 
Hablooblah said:
I can only speak to what id do, and I would run Mast to avoid the likely possibility of crashing my estrogen on primo. because if you aromatize as little as youre letting on then getting yourself out of that potential hole is gonna fuckin suck. And youre wanting to push your compound as high as your test...in my humble opinion youre idea of 600/600 test primo would not be a good idea given the reasons I listed above. But 600test 600mast or close? Youd be golden. Ypute a genetic outlier with your low rate of e2 conversion, my brain would think that makes EQ or primo at a 1:1 w test a no go. You could still run them at a lower ratio but you need to find yours with bloodwork, no one can tell you especially cause of your conversion rates... But again im speaking only to what I would do if it were me, and im an idiot so take my advive with a grain of salt 👍
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I think I've been on exogenous testosterone for so long that my body knows how to handle it.

As far as primo, I ran it maybe 20 years ago but can't even remember at what dose and what I ran it with.

I've never tried Mast. I was always concerned about hair loss, but considering I shave my head now due to thinning, I could care less about that side effect. Maybe that's the better way to go.
 
Primo won't crash your estrogen, it just stops your testosterone from converting into estrogen. So if you run a higher Test than your Primo you will be fine. That said, the benefits from the Primo may not be there at a low dose. I am running 500 test and 350 Primo and its working great. Everyone is different, but my E2 was in a good spot before I started and has gone up on a little bit on 500 test.

Thinking of Mast though next time.
 
Since you run 1000mg of Test without needing an AI, you are a low aromatizer, meaning a 1:1 ratio at 600/600 Primo will almost certainly crash your E2 into the dirt and leave you with dry joints and zero energy. You are way better off skewing the ratio with something like 700 Test to 400 Primo to keep an estrogen base, while making sure to get an actual sensitive E2 blood test before throwing in the Primo or tapering up that HGH
 
How long ago did you run a gram of test and are you now at a similar bf%? Here’s my two cents. Start at something like 400/400 and check ultra sensitive e2 at 6wks. Have some test prop on hand in case you crash e2 before then. If the 1:1 ratio suits you, just bump up one or both after assessing bloods. IMO just because you can handle a gram of test without an ai, doesn’t mean you are a low aromatizer. I know some ppl who test with e2 super high but just never get high e2 symptoms. We don’t know since you never got bloods. Get your damn bloodwork done.

Regarding GH, go slow. I start at 2 and increase 1 every two weeks or else I get crippling CT and it fucks up my sleep.
 
As you have never had your E2 tested there is no way to know what may have been going on with any other doses that you have run.
A ratio of 2/1 with test and primo leave me low on E2. I run it around 2/.8
There is no magic level for me where primo starts to work. Even 100mg/week makes a difference for me. Just like all anabolics they higher the dose the more gains/effects are going to be seen. At least that is my experience.
 
I always do 1:1 with Test/Primo and my last cycle was 600/600. No blood work done but I felt good the whole time. It’s no way of knowing what you need without you trying it.
 
SharpTack said:
How long ago did you run a gram of test and are you now at a similar bf%? Here’s my two cents. Start at something like 400/400 and check ultra sensitive e2 at 6wks. Have some test prop on hand in case you crash e2 before then. If the 1:1 ratio suits you, just bump up one or both after assessing bloods. IMO just because you can handle a gram of test without an ai, doesn’t mean you are a low aromatizer. I know some ppl who test with e2 super high but just never get high e2 symptoms. We don’t know since you never got bloods. Get your damn bloodwork done.

Regarding GH, go slow. I start at 2 and increase 1 every two weeks or else I get crippling CT and it fucks up my sleep.
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I'm on a gram now. I'm 5'7", 210lbs, probably 10% BF. I may just avoid the Primo at this point and run Mast instead at a 1:1 ratio w the Test. Maybe 500/500 or 600/600. I hear ya regarding possibly not getting high E2 symptoms even though E2 may be high. As far as BW, I've avoided hormonal panels as I don't really want to discuss why something may be high with my Doctor nor do I want it in my chart. I'll look into getting BW done somewhere where it doesn't automatically link up to my EMR.

The HGH, was going to start at 2.5iu pre-bed and maybe go up 0.5iu every week to two weeks or so. Do you think I should lower that to 2iu initially? I've ran it before in my early 30s at 4iu/day which probably didn't do too much for me at that age and at that dosage. Being that I turn 50 next week, I think I'll get a lot more out of it. As far as test and GH, I have zero plans to come Off, especially at this age. The quality of life that Test has given me the last 19 years is insane. Most guys I see my age look like old men. And here I am built better and stronger than 99.9% of guys half my age. My skin is tight, face is tight and lean with zero lines andwrinkles, but I attribute that more to genetics than I do exogenous test.
 
Fuck ya dude, you’re jacked at that height and weight 🤘
Same w me. trt minimum and 2.5units GH forever. Id start at 2units. Not because you may not handle 2.5 well but because anytime I go too high or increase too quickly, I get CT and have to come off completely for a few weeks. I’ve gone up to 5u but now i just keep it at 2.5 indefinitely.
I think you will like the mast, especially if you’re that lean.
 
Question about the GH... I don't tolerate it well. I tend to get pretty bad edema that never seems to go away. I didn't experience any problems at 1iu daily, but at 2ius the edema got bad. Fingers went up a full size on both hands. I've been on 2ius for 5 weeks and it never got better. I've read on the forum that some people do well with EOD dosing. What's everyone's thoughts on the efficacy of it? Seems like it eliminates the edema issue from daily dosing buildup, but still brings the IGF benefits which continue for 48-72 hours post injection.
 
Just wanted to give an update. Still currently on a gram of Test E with no AI. Will be dropping the Test down to 600/week and adding in Mast E at 600/week at the end of the week. Will be doing a daily inject of this combo using a 30g 1/2" insulin syringe.

Started on HGH at 2iu pre-bed, and just titrated to 2.5iu. Plan to land somewhere between 4-5iu/day. I just turned 50 and I think the HGH is really going to help. I do understand it's a slow burn and takes some time to appreciate the effects.

Something I've been trying to research a little more is whether or not I should inject the HGH in a single bolus dose pre-bed, or split it into multiple injects. I'm reading that Lipolysis maxes out at about 1.5iu per inject. Anyone have any opinions regarding 4.5iu pre-bed vs 1.5iu TID?

To be completely transparent, I also use a few other peptides as well. Reta, GHK-CU, BPC-157 and TB-500. Every single one of these I've noticed a huge difference.
 

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