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Start a cycle or trt?

Darkhrse99

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What’s hope everyone, i’ve been out of the gym and off of any testosterone for the last seven years but recently got back into the gym. I turn 47 this month and was thinking of jumping on a cycle or shall I just get on TRT and go that route? I ‘m just trying to make gains again and look like I once did seven years ago. Should I start a low dose on TRT from a clinic or just go ahead and blast and cruise for a while?
Thanks
Jason


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samgraves82 said:
Neither. Just go and train for a while and get ur "lifestyle" in order. That said, if you insist, trt. Hopping on cycle is completely unnecessary right now.

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So it’s been a week in the gym and I have a little different mindset now . I’m a lot weaker than I was hoping for. I don’t see a reason to jump on a cycle just yet. I think I should grow pretty good with a constant workout and keeping my nutrition up . I do plan to go to a hrt clinic to get panels done and see where my natural test is at. Just curious at this age where it is and go from there . Seems like the smaller amount you can grow on the longer I can keep the “growth spert” going and then jump on a higher dose down the road .


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Darkhrse99 said:
So it’s been a week in the gym and I have a little different mindset now . I’m a lot weaker than I was hoping for. I don’t see a reason to jump on a cycle just yet. I think I should grow pretty good with a constant workout and keeping my nutrition up . I do plan to go to a hrt clinic to get panels done and see where my natural test is at. Just curious at this age where it is and go from there . Seems like the smaller amount you can grow on the longer I can keep the “growth spert” going and then jump on a higher dose down the road .


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Perfect brother!!!

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I just turned 50. I’ve been working out again all year and have cleaned up my diet significantly. I’m seeing gains and changes to my body composition regularly.
I’m now at a point to where I’m finally going to start a 12 week cycle.
Get in shape over the next 6 months or so and see where you are before going on a cycle. Plenty to gain with some hard work and proper nutrition and diet.


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Update. I had blood drawn today and my test came back at 404 and total test was -8.9. I guess I had to be at 350 test for insurance to pay for it.


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Darkhrse99 said:
Update. I had blood drawn today and my test came back at 404 and total test was -8.9. I guess I had to be at 350 test for insurance to pay for it.


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I don’t have experience to comment on what you should do. But as someone who holds a TRT prescription and buys UGL supplies.

Only go to a clinic and get a prescription for traveling purposes. Otherwise your paying a lot more for something you can get and do yourself. Self administered is way cheaper.

Would definitely help if insurance paid for it
 
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I am a huge advocate of HRT/TRT for men in our 40s, instead of cycling. Health is key and you can make great gains off very low dose and safe HRT protocols

Some great HRT options:

1- Clomid at 25-50mgs a day or Enclomiphene at 12.5-25mgs
2- HCG at 1000-1500iu total IU per week aka M, W, F injections of say 500iu work like a charm
3- Testosterone GELS (androgels or generics at 2-3 pumps a day)
4- Testosterone Injections (CYP at 100mgs e4 or e5d, or sustanon style blends at 50-75mgs EOD or M, W, F
5- Legal Prohormones such as 4-andro (converts to pure testosterone) Use 100-200mgs ED is a higher dose and will convert to a small dose HRT style gain.

Keep your ancillaries on hand, such as an anti-E, an anti-P (prolactin) For these I like EXEM at 6.25-12.5mgs e3d and for prolactin i like cabaser aka dostinex .25mgs e3d. Liver Support such as Liv52, glutathione or even a product I carry called CERT which protects heart, lungs, liver and kidneys.

Keep your Cialis or viagra on hand. Cialis at 5mgs ED for severe issues is what we prescribed when I worked in the medical field and 10-20mgs PRN or as needed aka 1 hour before sex and it lasts a solid 36 hours or more. Viagra can be run 50--100mgs ED or PRN and also can be used 1 hour before sex.

If you need any products to go alongside your HRT please feel free to use code "ASF" at checkout for 10% off all your orders on my store www.GYMnTONIC.com

Good luck sir!
 
Darkhrse99 said:
Update. I had blood drawn today and my test came back at 404 and total test was -8.9. I guess I had to be at 350 test for insurance to pay for it.


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My levels were 170 and couldn’t get a doctor to prescribe it.
 
Nood said:
My levels were 170 and couldn’t get a doctor to prescribe it.
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170 and you couldn't find a doctor, that's crazy, in that case screw the doctors they a rip off anyway just get it here
 
mabacherlijr said:
I don’t have experience to comment on what you should do. But as someone who holds a TRT prescription and buys UGL supplies.

Only go to a clinic and get a prescription for traveling purposes. Otherwise your paying a lot more for something you can get and do yourself. Self administered is way cheaper.

Would definitely help if insurance paid for it
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I’m curious to see what it would cost monthly. If it’s too much I will do it myself, but the ease of going weekly is nice as long as weekly injections don’t make my levels go up and down too much.


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GYMnTONIC said:
I am a huge advocate of HRT/TRT for men in our 40s, instead of cycling. Health is key and you can make great gains off very low dose and safe HRT protocols

Some great HRT options:

1- Clomid at 25-50mgs a day or Enclomiphene at 12.5-25mgs
2- HCG at 1000-1500iu total IU per week aka M, W, F injections of say 500iu work like a charm
3- Testosterone GELS (androgels or generics at 2-3 pumps a day)
4- Testosterone Injections (CYP at 100mgs e4 or e5d, or sustanon style blends at 50-75mgs EOD or M, W, F
5- Legal Prohormones such as 4-andro (converts to pure testosterone) Use 100-200mgs ED is a higher dose and will convert to a small dose HRT style gain.

Keep your ancillaries on hand, such as an anti-E, an anti-P (prolactin) For these I like EXEM at 6.25-12.5mgs e3d and for prolactin i like cabaser aka dostinex .25mgs e3d. Liver Support such as Liv52, glutathione or even a product I carry called CERT which protects heart, lungs, liver and kidneys.

Keep your Cialis or viagra on hand. Cialis at 5mgs ED for severe issues is what we prescribed when I worked in the medical field and 10-20mgs PRN or as needed aka 1 hour before sex and it lasts a solid 36 hours or more. Viagra can be run 50--100mgs ED or PRN and also can be used 1 hour before sex.

If you need any products to go alongside your HRT please feel free to use code "ASF" at checkout for 10% off all your orders on my store www.GYMnTONIC.com

Good luck sir!
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I appreciate the protocol. As some as I can get a price on what this clinic will charge, I’ll be able to decide on what route to go.


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Darkhrse99 said:
I’m curious to see what it would cost monthly. If it’s too much I will do it myself, but the ease of going weekly is nice as long as weekly injections don’t make my levels go up and down too much.


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My TRT clinic charges $200 a month for only a 4ML bottle of Test C 200 and blood work 1 time every 3 months.
At 3 months that’s $600

At the same exact price. I can get 10 bottles that are 10ML of Test C or E at 250. Plus also just order the same exact blood work online.

You’re going to want extra blood work done if you ever go on a real cycle. If your doing self administered TRT then it will only be cheaper.

Cycling costs money because of food and bloodwork. Not the AAS.
 
mabacherlijr said:
My TRT clinic charges $200 a month for only a 4ML bottle of Test C 200 and blood work 1 time every 3 months.
At 3 months that’s $600

At the same exact price. I can get 10 bottles that are 10ML of Test C or E at 250. Plus also just order the same exact blood work online.

You’re going to want extra blood work done if you ever go on a real cycle. If your doing self administered TRT then it will only be cheaper.

Cycling costs money because of food and bloodwork. Not the AAS.
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What did your clinic prescribe you a week, 200mg?


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Darkhrse99 said:
What did your clinic prescribe you a week, 200mg?


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I go back this Saturday , so hopefully they have a price and dosage they want to start at. If they come back at $200.00 or around that, I may just do it myself.


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mabacherlijr said:
My TRT clinic charges $200 a month for only a 4ML bottle of Test C 200 and blood work 1 time every 3 months.
At 3 months that’s $600

At the same exact price. I can get 10 bottles that are 10ML of Test C or E at 250. Plus also just order the same exact blood work online.

You’re going to want extra blood work done if you ever go on a real cycle. If your doing self administered TRT then it will only be cheaper.

Cycling costs money because of food and bloodwork. Not the AAS.
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$200 a month is crazy. You can get a 10 pack of Test at 250mg/ml for 300 something from some sponsors here. That clinic is making a killing
 
Mufasa888 said:
$200 a month is crazy. You can get a 10 pack of Test at 250mg/ml for 300 something from some sponsors here. That clinic is making a killing
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So here’s an option I have thought about this week. What if I just buy a bunch of test and just do low dose like two 250 mg and run my own TRT and keep some ai’s on hand? It does seem a lot cheaper, I could buy a good four months worth of test compared to maybe a month or two from the clinic.


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Darkhrse99 said:
So here’s an option I have thought about this week. What if I just buy a bunch of test and just do low dose like two 250 mg and run my own TRT and keep some ai’s on hand? It does seem a lot cheaper, I could buy a good four months worth of test compared to maybe a month or two from the clinic.


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Sounds like a good plan. Check the sources on here. All are pretty good and you’ll like get a larger supply of test for the fraction on what you’ll pay a clinic over a year.
 
Mufasa888 said:
Sounds like a good plan. Check the sources on here. All are pretty good and you’ll like get a larger supply of test for the fraction on what you’ll pay a clinic over a year.
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I’ve been looking around and I think I will self medicate. I have an appt this Saturday to see prices, but I doubt it will be low enough to make it worth a clinic.


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Darkhrse99 said:
I’ve been looking around and I think I will self medicate. I have an appt this Saturday to see prices, but I doubt it will be low enough to make it worth a clinic.


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My first clinic was $150 per month. I stopped and self medicate through the sources here. I got a 10 pack of test for the price of 2 months of what the clinic would charge me. Should last me a while.
 
TRT. There is no need to run an AI. I would rather run 140 mgs of cypionate year round than 910 mgs a week for eight weeks. Then you might get side effects and have the hassle of running PCT because you are cold turkey.
 
Mufasa888 said:
My first clinic was $150 per month. I stopped and self medicate through the sources here. I got a 10 pack of test for the price of 2 months of what the clinic would charge me. Should last me a while.
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140 mgs a week at my clinic runs me $200 total. Lasts me three and a half months.
 
OmegaMan said:
TRT. There is no need to run an AI. I would rather run 140 mgs of cypionate year round than 910 mgs a week for eight weeks. Then you might get side effects and have the hassle of running PCT because you are cold turkey.
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Have you upped it until sides started? Just wondering how high you can go before an ai is needed. I know it’s different for everyone.


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Darkhrse99 said:
Have you upped it until sides started? Just wondering how high you can go before an ai is needed. I know it’s different for everyone.


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I've never pushed the dosage to see what the limit was in terms of when the side effects start to show because I've always ran cypionate under a clinic. I assume it would be double what I run now so 240 mgs judging by my current estradiol level which it 67.8 pg/mL
 
So I went to the clinic today. They want 135.00 for a full blood panel and then they said it would be 103.00 a month for 4 injections if I do them at home . The dosage would start out at 180mg a week until you have a zoom meeting with a doc and discuss dosages . I think I will just get some test from the sponsors here and do it myself. For 238.00 for just this months lab and injections , I could get a 12 week cycle .


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