Question about Lab Tests

[jjf434]

I have a question regarding posted tests for things like Test C. Is quantity and identification the standard? Is anyone doing sterility/endotoxin testing? Is that overkill? sorry for the ignorance. I am new to this

 

[FearsomeCOR]

Most will just test quantity and identification, but in the end it’s up to you and what you’re wanting to know and allows you to be confident in using a product.

 

[19NorFan]

I have a question regarding posted tests for things like Test C. Is quantity and identification the standard? Is anyone doing sterility/endotoxin testing? Is that overkill? sorry for the ignorance. I am new to this

A standard test for oils will tell you the compound and mg/ml. These tests usually cost less than $150.

From there, you can add sterility, PH, heavy metal, etc testing. Cost of each vary; the sterility testing for example is another $250.

It’s a matter of opinion on how much testing you need to do. I don’t think it’s necessary assuming you use a legitimate lab.

Several of my family members work in this area (chemistry, pharma engineering, etc) and based on what they told me and what I follow: The important thing is how the raws are manufactured. The assembly is fairly low risk and simple from there. Contrary to what you may have heard, these drugs can’t be manufactured in someones basement.

The equipment to make peptides for example, collectively costs in the several million dollar range. There are complex processes that need to be followed to make these products and that complexity usually suggests that this is being done by professionals. The gear we use is probably manufactured in the same labs where all of our other drugs are manufactured.

And that’s consistent with what I have seen in testing. I keep hearing about all these dangerous peptides and AAS but I’ve yet to see testing to suggest anything other than, these are mostly grade A pharma products sold as ugl/generics.

 

[Hablooblah]

A standard test for oils will tell you the compound and mg/ml. These tests usually cost less than $150.

From there, you can add sterility, PH, heavy metal, etc testing. Cost of each vary; the sterility testing for example is another $250.

It’s a matter of opinion on how much testing you need to do. I don’t think it’s necessary assuming you use a legitimate lab.

Several of my family members work in this area (chemistry, pharma engineering, etc) and based on what they told me and what I follow: The important thing is how the raws are manufactured. The assembly is fairly low risk and simple from there. Contrary to what you may have heard, these drugs can’t be manufactured in someones basement.

The equipment to make peptides for example, collectively costs in the several million dollar range. There are complex processes that need to be followed to make these products and that complexity usually suggests that this is being done by professionals. The gear we use is probably manufactured in the same labs where all of our other drugs are manufactured.

And that’s consistent with what I have seen in testing. I keep hearing about all these dangerous peptides and AAS but I’ve yet to see testing to suggest anything other than, these are mostly grade A pharma products sold as ugl/generics.

Just to be clear...the manufacturing of the raw compounds is done in a lab setting. The brewing of AAS absolutely can be done in a dudes basement. As far as peptides go I wish you were right, but youre not. They import pre-synthesized bulk raw peptide chains from Chinese labs and bottle it and sell it. Thats where your sterility issues arise. Only very few labs around the world are outfitted to synthesize peptides, but freeze drying, reselling and rebottling the crude raw powder can be done by anyone. Which us why there is such a point put on sterility, toxins, potency, mislabling etc etc etc. To call them "UGL branded pharma products" is just plainly wrong. The vial you hold in your hand did not come from the lab that synthesized the compound, it came from a reseller who bought the raws from the lab and lyphollized it.

 

[19NorFan]

Just to be clear...the manufacturing of the raw compounds is done in a lab setting. The brewing of AAS absolutely can be done in a dudes basement. As far as peptides go I wish you were right, but youre not. They import pre-synthesized bulk raw peptide chains from Chinese labs and bottle it and sell it. Thats where your sterility issues arise. Only very few labs around the world are outfitted to synthesize peptides, but freeze drying, reselling and rebottling the crude raw powder can be done by anyone. Which us why there is such a point put on sterility, toxins, potency, mislabling etc etc etc. To call them "UGL branded pharma products" is just plainly wrong. The vial you hold in your hand did not come from the lab that synthesized the compound, it came from a reseller who bought the raws from the lab and lyphollized it.

Yes, that's why I said "I don’t think it’s necessary assuming you use a legitimate lab," which could be any of the major sponsors on this forum. Some of these places have 10s of thousands of vials in their inventory and consistently pass tests, they're not doing that in someone's basement. This final assembly is the biggest variable. But as far as the raws go, they're all made in legit labs overseas (China at least, idk about India). But even so, the final assembly is not too complex.

Members on here freak out when a supplier posts a raws purity test under 95%. At any major university lab, if you order raw materials for various processes, your purity can vary anywhere between 75% and 95%, and then you refine it to the desired purity. There's obviously some nuance to this, but the point is, the conditions under which UGL AAS are made under are not much different from other pharma products at the source level.

 

[jjf434]

Yeah…I’ve seen a few lab results for peptides come back as pretty high endotoxins and fail sterility tests.

 

[jjf434]

Yes, that's why I said "I don’t think it’s necessary assuming you use a legitimate lab," which could be any of the major sponsors on this forum. Some of these places have 10s of thousands of vials in their inventory and consistently pass tests, they're not doing that in someone's basement. This final assembly is the biggest variable. But as far as the raws go, they're all made in legit labs overseas (China at least, idk about India). But even so, the final assembly is not too complex.

Members on here freak out when a supplier posts a raws purity test under 95%. At any major university lab, if you order raw materials for various processes, your purity can vary anywhere between 75% and 95%, and then you refine it to the desired purity. There's obviously some nuance to this, but the point is, the conditions under which UGL AAS is made under are not much different from other pharma products at the source level.

For the record I’m planning to use SB Labs which I’ve found to be pretty reputable on here. So my post was never questioning their product, more so just asking about the entire steroid testing procedure.