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Hey Mace !!! Plugging along. Been busy with "stuff" and my best motivator has been MIA :( He needs to get his ass back here and kick mine !!!!!!
Pretty happy with the Var though, things are "shifting" ;) slow but sure. I had to drop the primo, I am SUCH a wuss. just too ouchy for me and I've noticed some shedding. Don't know if its the arimadex the doc has me on, but can't imagine it was the primo with only a couple pins. Cant be losing my hair tho, I'll FLIP. I just don't know :(
Probably going to up my Var here soon and start the clen. Like it in tab form much better, don't get the jitters like the liquid :winkfinger:
I'll have to post some pics soon and maybe some of hubs. That turkey has only been back at the gym a few weeks and is getting cut up again damn him ;) The PSL Cyp/NPP is treating him VERY well.

Arimadex can most definitely make your hair fall out.. That's is an unfortunate side affect, especially for a woman. Glad your feeling better!!!
 
Arimadex can most definitely make your hair fall out.. That's is an unfortunate side affect, especially for a woman. Glad your feeling better!!!


CRAP, so I can either take the nolva and bloat like a puffer fish and sweat like a pig or adex and lose my hair ? :( great choices .......NOT
 
I know right.. I hear the hair will come back once discontinued. So I guess that's a plus, if any..
 
I know right.. I hear the hair will come back once discontinued. So I guess that's a plus, if any..

I'm supposed to take it for the next 4 years :( My oncologist is gonna be PEEVED when I kick up a stink about this. took 6 months to get him to take me off nolva. Guess this is my karma for not having to have the chemo :( DAMN, do any of those shampoos or foams REALLY work ? looks like its research time for me.... poopy damn caca
 
I'm supposed to take it for the next 4 years :( My oncologist is gonna be PEEVED when I kick up a stink about this. took 6 months to get him to take me off nolva. Guess this is my karma for not having to have the chemo :( DAMN, do any of those shampoos or foams REALLY work ? looks like its research time for me.... poopy damn caca
Awe, damn.. That's to bad.. Is there an alternative? I'm not sure if those shampoos really work.. I know Propecia really works, I have a friend who talks about that.

Good luck, I'm sure you will nail it down.
 
Mrs robinson, sounds like androgenic alopecia.
What’s going on? How do aromatase inhibitors promote hair loss?

The drug-induced hair loss we experience is called androgenetic alopecia. In one trial, about 15% of women taking Aromasin experienced it; so it’s not exactly rare.

Androgenetic alopecia is related to a chemical in your body called DHT, which is manufactured from one of your hormones, androgen, plus an enzyme. When there’s too much DHT in your system, your hair follicles produce thin, rather than thick hair. Eventually, some of these follicles may stop producing hair altogether.

The result? Less hair on your head; fewer strands covering more area.

Noticeably “thinner” hair.

How do hormone therapy drugs affect your balance of DHT?

Well, aromatase is an enzyme that turns the hormone androgen into estrogen. No aromatase = no estrogen. No estrogen = reduction in the risk of cancer recurrence.


An aromatase inhibitor does exactly what it says: it inhibits the enzyme from doing its job. How? By binding itself, either temporarily (Arimidex, Femara) or permanently (Aromasin) to aromatase so that it becomes dysfunctional, and can't turn androgen into estrogen.

So, androgen that used to become estrogen now remains androgen. Which means more DHT, and thinner hair – at least atop your head.

Paradoxically, more androgen also means MORE hair, right where you don’t want it: on your upper lip and cheeks. Without estrogen – the chief “female” hormone – you’re more prone to developing certain male characteristics: like facial hair, and loss of scalp hair.

So, what’s a woman to do?
Theoretically speaking, hair loss due to excess androgen should be reversible once you stop taking an AI. Some of your androgen will once again become estrogen, lowering your overall androgen levels, and hopefully stopping hair loss.

The question is, will the follicles that have stopped producing hair altogether resume their work, or are they permanently out of the picture?

At this point, the jury’s out. Anecdotal evidence is mixed; some women report some thickening of their hair after finishing hormone therapy, while others report no improvement. And as far as I could ascertain, there are no studies – yet – examining long-term hair loss after use of AIs.

Is there any treatment for thin hair? Some women report improvement with the drugs Propecia, or minoxidil (Rogaine), a 5% solution of which is rubbed into the scalp. Problem is, you have to continue to treat your scalp indefinitely, to keep any new hair; and results thus far have been spotty (no pun intended).

And you might try increasing your B vitamins, especially biotin. Biotin is key in your body’s natural hair-manufacturing process; so while it may not help prevent your hair from falling out, it will encourage new hair to keep growing.

Dermatologists recommend 2mg to 3mg biotin daily, in supplement form, to really make a difference with hair growth; as with any drug or supplement, ask your doctor before adding this to your daily dose of pills.
You may want to try NIZORAL (ketoconazole) 2% you can get 1% at walgreens, cvs, and so on.
 
I'm supposed to take it for the next 4 years :( My oncologist is gonna be PEEVED when I kick up a stink about this. took 6 months to get him to take me off nolva. Guess this is my karma for not having to have the chemo :( DAMN, do any of those shampoos or foams REALLY work ? looks like its research time for me.... poopy damn caca

Yes those shampoos do work. I will ask my dad and sister what mom used after her chemo.

Mrs R. Trust me when I say this. You would rather loose your hair from the adex then go through chemo. Mom was able to do NOTHING. They even had her on a low dose chemo with minimal sides and it still wiped her out. Stairs? No more than 2 without a break. Walking 100 feet not without stopping atleast once.

You did the right thing by skipping the chemo. Gonna send you a pm later this morning about a few things that have come to light as of late with talking to my dad and uncle about all of this.
 
Mrs robinson, sounds like androgenic alopecia.
What’s going on? How do aromatase inhibitors promote hair loss?

The drug-induced hair loss we experience is called androgenetic alopecia. In one trial, about 15% of women taking Aromasin experienced it; so it’s not exactly rare.

Androgenetic alopecia is related to a chemical in your body called DHT, which is manufactured from one of your hormones, androgen, plus an enzyme. When there’s too much DHT in your system, your hair follicles produce thin, rather than thick hair. Eventually, some of these follicles may stop producing hair altogether.

The result? Less hair on your head; fewer strands covering more area.

Noticeably “thinner” hair.

How do hormone therapy drugs affect your balance of DHT?

Well, aromatase is an enzyme that turns the hormone androgen into estrogen. No aromatase = no estrogen. No estrogen = reduction in the risk of cancer recurrence.


An aromatase inhibitor does exactly what it says: it inhibits the enzyme from doing its job. How? By binding itself, either temporarily (Arimidex, Femara) or permanently (Aromasin) to aromatase so that it becomes dysfunctional, and can't turn androgen into estrogen.

So, androgen that used to become estrogen now remains androgen. Which means more DHT, and thinner hair – at least atop your head.

Paradoxically, more androgen also means MORE hair, right where you don’t want it: on your upper lip and cheeks. Without estrogen – the chief “female” hormone – you’re more prone to developing certain male characteristics: like facial hair, and loss of scalp hair.

So, what’s a woman to do?
Theoretically speaking, hair loss due to excess androgen should be reversible once you stop taking an AI. Some of your androgen will once again become estrogen, lowering your overall androgen levels, and hopefully stopping hair loss.

The question is, will the follicles that have stopped producing hair altogether resume their work, or are they permanently out of the picture?

At this point, the jury’s out. Anecdotal evidence is mixed; some women report some thickening of their hair after finishing hormone therapy, while others report no improvement. And as far as I could ascertain, there are no studies – yet – examining long-term hair loss after use of AIs.

Is there any treatment for thin hair? Some women report improvement with the drugs Propecia, or minoxidil (Rogaine), a 5% solution of which is rubbed into the scalp. Problem is, you have to continue to treat your scalp indefinitely, to keep any new hair; and results thus far have been spotty (no pun intended).

And you might try increasing your B vitamins, especially biotin. Biotin is key in your body’s natural hair-manufacturing process; so while it may not help prevent your hair from falling out, it will encourage new hair to keep growing.

Dermatologists recommend 2mg to 3mg biotin daily, in supplement form, to really make a difference with hair growth; as with any drug or supplement, ask your doctor before adding this to your daily dose of pills.
You may want to try NIZORAL (ketoconazole) 2% you can get 1% at walgreens, cvs, and so on.

Yes those shampoos do work. I will ask my dad and sister what mom used after her chemo.

Mrs R. Trust me when I say this. You would rather loose your hair from the adex then go through chemo. Mom was able to do NOTHING. They even had her on a low dose chemo with minimal sides and it still wiped her out. Stairs? No more than 2 without a break. Walking 100 feet not without stopping atleast once.

You did the right thing by skipping the chemo. Gonna send you a pm later this morning about a few things that have come to light as of late with talking to my dad and uncle about all of this.


Thanks Guys :kiss: (mace, your starting to sound just like Vis ;) ) This was NOT EVER a side effect I encountered in any previous use of any orals or even small doses of cyp:( never noticed any of this weird hair crap until the AI's came into the picture. It was minimal with the nolva, but MUCH more noticeable since the arimadex :( been using the minoxidil but I don't want to use it forever. I best get some nizoral and try that. Thanks for chiming in, I count on you guys for this stuff :)
 
I've been following this thread somewhat. This is just my opinion, and you can take it down to the coffee shop and a dollar bill, and you'll only get a cup of coffee.....it might be time to either punt, or come up with a total different game plan.....I'm not sure I really like what's going on......especially if it was my wife. Please don't take this wrong, just my thoughts.
 
How bout some toco caps. People use to swear by them. But ultimately it comes down to you and being comfortable with the sides your getting from what your taking. If not, you can always cut your loses.

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Thanks guys :) A different game plan might be in order, but I REALLY don't think it related to what I just recently started, it HAS to be the AI. The hair loss started before I was on anything else and got worse when my dr. switched me from Nolvadex to Adex and that I started only about 2 weeks prior to starting my cycle. At this point I'm pretty positive its the AI's and my doc is a COMPLETE pain in the ass about changing my meds. At this point I'm ready to go search out some cannabis oil and chuck the damn prescriptions :(
 
FKK! hair loss sucks, what about aromasin???
 
Thanks Guys :kiss: (mace, your starting to sound just like Vis ;) ) This was NOT EVER a side effect I encountered in any previous use of any orals or even small doses of cyp:( never noticed any of this weird hair crap until the AI's came into the picture. It was minimal with the nolva, but MUCH more noticeable since the arimadex :( been using the minoxidil but I don't want to use it forever. I best get some nizoral and try that. Thanks for chiming in, I count on you guys for this stuff :)
There some really good info on the asin, and adex with hair loss it sucks. Where is the hubbs....

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Hey guys, No, I'm not gone, life has just been one thing after another the past few :( Feel like Ive been repeatedly slapped by a 2x4 the last couple of weeks, one thing after another. Am stuck in a Verizon/Frontier takeover disaster that has also left my internet pretty much off for 3 weeks :( GRRRRRRRRR. Taking a break from the asin and going to talk to my doc - AGAIN- :( I really think its what's causing the hair issues AND the joints in my legs are so painful, leg day and cardio just about do me in. Going to take a break for a few and see how I feel. Have still been getting to the gym and am going with the higher reps and sets and keeping the weight down some. I thinks its been good, feeling the burn for sure and its kicking my BUTT, but that's a good thing right ? ;)

Also hoping for some advice from you guys that might have done this before. I hold water VERY easily and a LOT of it which makes me look more "fluffy" than I actually am. Looking at having some nice photos done and want to be as dried out as possible for it, any thoughts ? Salt deplete ? Looking at Layne Nortons peak week protocol, would something like that help ? Ideas ?

Thanks Guys :kiss:
 
Still plugging away. Progress is being made, but its OHHHHHHH so slow ;) Started the PSL clen on Monday, wanted to give it a couple of days and see how it went. Vision, you were right, the tabs are MUCH better :winkfinger: The liquid suspensions Ive tried in the past have always given me such a hypoglycemic feeling this does not :) YAY. So I'm going to be able to actually run it and see what it does. So about 4 weeks in now, this is from yesterday, BEFORE hitting the gym, so cold. I "think" i'm getting somewhere, but it's just not going as fast as I would like, lots going on in my life right now though so I'm doing what I can :)
 

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Still plugging away. Progress is being made, but its OHHHHHHH so slow ;) Started the PSL clen on Monday, wanted to give it a couple of days and see how it went. Vision, you were right, the tabs are MUCH better :winkfinger: The liquid suspensions Ive tried in the past have always given me such a hypoglycemic feeling this does not :) YAY. So I'm going to be able to actually run it and see what it does. So about 4 weeks in now, this is from yesterday, BEFORE hitting the gym, so cold. I "think" i'm getting somewhere, but it's just not going as fast as I would like, lots going on in my life right now though so I'm doing what I can :)
Nice progress Mrs. R , I swear you are my wife's twin . Haha.
 

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