Masteron / Dr Todd Lee

[Sh195580]

I just ordered some mast to see how I respond.

I’ve done Test and Deca cycles in the past and moderate test only cycles. At my age I’m just trying to run mini blasts or TRT+ with some nand for joint pain.

Good to know about how carbs affect mast. I’ll play with my carbs and see what it does to my body.


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[RaiderStrong]

I like primo but I see no reason to run it at the prices it's at right now. I can get a lot of GH for the price of a decent primo run.

I'll sub in mast or EQ if I need an anabolic to run along with test

This is my stance. At the prices of primo you can just run a good generic gh. Who here would chose primo over gh if money was an option and you could only chose one of the other?

 

[RaiderStrong]

I just ordered some mast to see how I respond.

I’ve done Test and Deca cycles in the past and moderate test only cycles. At my age I’m just trying to run mini blasts or TRT+ with some nand for joint pain.

Good to know about how carbs affect mast. I’ll play with my carbs and see what it does to my body.


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I may be in the minority here but I love mast even when adding tissue in an offseason (building) phase. Just keep carbs high and it helps with the flatness imo. Personally I carb cycle. Low days , med days and a couple high days a week depending on gym performance and look.

 

[Glycomann]

True, but a whole LOT of OTHER drugs had a good bit to cause "Dr." Todd to look like he does too!

Never heard anyone say anything about rec drugs or any of that. What besides high dose Masteron for extended periods are you saying added to his troll-like face?

 

[Glycomann]

This is my stance. At the prices of primo you can just run a good generic gh. Who here would chose primo over gh if money was an option and you could only chose one of the other?

What total milligrams are you running for cycles?

 

[RaiderStrong]

What total milligrams are you running for cycles?

I’ve pushed up much higher with test/mast but right now I’m only at a bit over a gram total. Titrating up after a decent break.

Primo needs to be run pretty high to see the best results and with the prices out there of primo I just can’t justify paying for it when this isn’t a cheap game.

 

[Jbswole40]

Listening to this guy is ridiculous, Listening to any 1 on these channels is ridiculous, imo..learn your own way,no human is identical. Yes i do hate arrogant people,i really just wish people wouldn't get hung up on 1 person perspective

 

[Battlecat]

I am still somewhat new to gear....I am running Primo now and love it....I have used masteron in the past but I was "fluffier" then so all I got out of it was frequent pissing. Maybe I like primo bc im leaner now and I can see the changes. Yes Primo is $$ but its not like Mast E is cheap either now

 

[GYAT]

If my carbs are high on Mast it helps with the flatness. When I drop my carbs low (or even somewhat low) I begin to really flatten out. Me personally I can just eat more food on Mast. Maybe it’s person dependent and it’s just me but with mast I’m never bloated and ready to smash my meals.

Primo is just so damn expensive. Damn near double the price. Really hits the wallet.

I think compounds are all different for everyone for sure, but overall most of us can quickly see and learn what a compound might offer and does for most (if never used yet and have no personal experience). Mast does the same for me as it does for you. I can stay leaner and drier on Mast than Primo, and I think I can push food more too. But Primo actually lowers my E and gives me more of that striated yet still full look when lean. I run Mast as my more often DHT compound, but I love Primo when I want to pack some on and push test higher without much, if any AI needed. Sometimes with Mast if I push test real high, I still need an AI or may sprinkle in some EQ.

 

[nm156]

I like running both. One thing about Mast is the good mental feeling it gives you. Some say they get the same from proviron but I don’t get that from proviron .

Mast just dries the crap out of my skin and peels my finger cuticles. The sex drive is pretty good too. Primo is getting stupid expensive though, very true.

I was lurking around the pharacom stuff/basicstero and their primo is pretty much $200 for a 10ml bottle. I was thinking, damn! Are you all serious about this?

K4L has a GH kit for under $200. There’s 10 of the 10iu bottles. So, yeah, GH is about the same or cheaper than Primo. And yes, they keep comparing Mast and primo “which is better”BS. I use them both or independently.

Yes, There is increased growing hate/bashing for EQ. I don’t really like EQ personally but I don’t bash it. Not sure why this is becoming a trend.

 

[nm156]

Mast, dryness, hardness, mental clarity, libido increase. Primo, fullness, blends in with mast, striating my shoulders.

Van Halen “ We can have have the best of both worlds a little Heaven right here on earth”

 

[RaiderStrong]

Mast, dryness, hardness, mental clarity, libido increase. Primo, fullness, blends in with mast, striating my shoulders.

Van Halen “ We can have have the best of both worlds a little Heaven right here on earth”

How do you personally dose them when running them together?

 

[Glycomann]

I’ve pushed up much higher with test/mast but right now I’m only at a bit over a gram total. Titrating up after a decent break.

Primo needs to be run pretty high to see the best results and with the prices out there of primo I just can’t justify paying for it when this isn’t a cheap game.

Primo has a properties that require the proper ratio. If you use too much it can crush gains by dropping estrogen too low. If you get the ratio correct for you it will shine. the ratio i not the same for everyone, from Testrimo of 1: 0.5 to 1: 1. In the end what that means is it can allow you to run test higher than normal. Pair that with a little GH and you have a paradigm that works really well for a lot of people. Not to complicate things further, adding a small amount of nandrolone helps as well.

If you have a decent source, like if you have been around for 15 - 20 years, you can get it for.. not so much. And frankly, even some of the run of the mill decent places have it for not really so much. At that point and if you have middle income you can definitely afford 500 mg/w Test and 300 mg Primo. That can be like 20 - 25$ a week for your Primo end and 10 - 15$ a week for your test end. Add in a little GH and it's really not that much frankly, something like 15$ a week at a few iu a day. So really.. I just don't think such a cycle for 12 - 16 weeks is so expensive that most people suffer a significant drop in their disposable income. We are talking like 40 - 50$ a week. I spend 7$/day on coffee 7 x 7 = 49$/w.

The trick is to dial it in without crashing your estrogen. You need it for growth. Otherwise you end up flat, no gains and stiff joints. Nail it and full lean look with very little water retention. Start at the lower end of the ratio and go from there. Lean on Test for the growth and Primo for the quality. They will synergize. GH will help you partition nutrients better and keep you fuller.

 

[WED]

Yes, There is increased growing hate/bashing for EQ. I don’t really like EQ personally but I don’t bash it. Not sure why this is becoming a trend.

Feel like ppl need to have an anti-trend stance on it and so may ppl are going to it since Primo is $$ now.

 

[SharpTack]

I have run primo up to 200wk on mini recomp cycles and as low as 70/wk for trt+. While on those protocols I absolutely loved that extra little 3d “pop” it gave me. This winter will be my second proper bulk cycle (first was 600test, 400eq) and I’m going with something like 750test, 600primo. Definitely excited to see if it works as well for me on a bulk as it did previously. Im running 400test, 400mast right now leading into my first comp. Hard to compare the two compounds because im using them in different phases but definitely feeling the prostate a little bit, which I never felt on primo. I don’t mind spending the extra money in the name of science. $105/vial for 200mg seemed ok from the IL bogo. Anyone here ever run a similar cycle?

 

[RaiderStrong]

Primo has a properties that require the proper ratio. If you use too much it can crush gains by dropping estrogen too low. If you get the ratio correct for you it will shine. the ratio i not the same for everyone, from Testrimo of 1: 0.5 to 1: 1. In the end what that means is it can allow you to run test higher than normal. Pair that with a little GH and you have a paradigm that works really well for a lot of people. Not to complicate things further, adding a small amount of nandrolone helps as well.

If you have a decent source, like if you have been around for 15 - 20 years, you can get it for.. not so much. And frankly, even some of the run of the mill decent places have it for not really so much. At that point and if you have middle income you can definitely afford 500 mg/w Test and 300 mg Primo. That can be like 20 - 25$ a week for your Primo end and 10 - 15$ a week for your test end. Add in a little GH and it's really not that much frankly, something like 15$ a week at a few iu a day. So really.. I just don't think such a cycle for 12 - 16 weeks is so expensive that most people suffer a significant drop in their disposable income. We are talking like 40 - 50$ a week. I spend 7$/day on coffee 7 x 7 = 49$/w.

The trick is to dial it in without crashing your estrogen. You need it for growth. Otherwise you end up flat, no gains and stiff joints. Nail it and full lean look with very little water retention. Start at the lower end of the ratio and go from there. Lean on Test for the growth and Primo for the quality. They will synergize. GH will help you partition nutrients better and keep you fuller.

Doesn’t mast arguably do the same in regards to sides so you can run your test higher? Run test as high as possible and add in mast to up your anabolic load.

As far nandrolone, what about Masteron with nandrolone…..
Masteron doesn't lower prolactin or estrogen directly, but it lowers prolactin and estrogen receptors at the nipples. So helping to prevent prolactin and estrogen induced gynecomastia. But it doesn't lower total prolactin or estrogen in the blood like Primo does. Or an AI would.….correct?

So in turn it’s actually masking the npp sides not actually lowering them?

Also, primo is not “expensive” but it is double the price of mast. And it works just as well in synergy with gh. So why not just accept your money on the primo and use that for gh?

Just discussion here. Friendly debate.

 

[bt1k]

I have run primo up to 200wk on mini recomp cycles and as low as 70/wk for trt+. While on those protocols I absolutely loved that extra little 3d “pop” it gave me. This winter will be my second proper bulk cycle (first was 600test, 400eq) and I’m going with something like 750test, 600primo. Definitely excited to see if it works as well for me on a bulk as it did previously. Im running 400test, 400mast right now leading into my first comp. Hard to compare the two compounds because im using them in different phases but definitely feeling the prostate a little bit, which I never felt on primo. I don’t mind spending the extra money in the name of science. $105/vial for 200mg seemed ok from the IL bogo. Anyone here ever run a similar cycle?

You’re having prostate issues because your E2 is High

 

[Musclemuscle]

You’re having prostate issues because your E2 is High

I had e2 at 16 while on primo and test and it gave me sudden urge to piss all the time