HGH help. Looking for experienced users.

[gsuprem3]

I’m new to growth. I’m in my mid 30s wanting to add HGH to my upcoming bulk cycle. I’ve been on TRT for years now and wanting to try out HGH.

I’m 6’6 245lbs at 10 percent body fat. Just ended a 4 month cut.

My goals are muscle growth.

—What dosage would you recommend for growing muscle?

—How long should I run growth?

—When do the muscle building effects start to kick in? In guessing around 6 months?

—Everyone says that running growth hormone (GH) with testosterone is amazing, but what exactly makes the combination so effective?

What kind of synergy do GH and testosterone have? Does GH actually make testosterone work better, or vice versa?

I’ve also heard that using GH without testosterone is a waste. I do plan on using testosterone alongside GH, but I’m trying to understand why the combination works better than using either one on its own. Can someone explain what’s actually happening in the body that makes them more effective together?

I understand I can run it forever but I’m wanting to cycle it. I’m cool with running long term dosages but I will come off of it at some point before starting it again. Or at least lower the dose.

Please let me know your opinion on the topic. I’m mainly looking for people that have actually used the compounds vs someone that has just read something about it.

 

[ChuckDog76]

Start slow and titrate up to minimize sides and understand how your body reacts. Suggest 1-2iu for the first few weeks, go from there. Also, make sure you're getting good stuff. Feel free to DM me on that front.

For me, the magic starts to happen around 6-9iu, depending on the quality of your product. It's a long game, so don't expect results for 6 months or so.

 

[Cypher]

GH and testosterone don’t really “boost” each other in a direct way, they act through different systems.

Testosterone is the main driver of muscle growth via androgen receptors and increased protein synthesis. GH works more through IGF-1, improving fat loss, recovery, and tissue repair rather than directly adding much muscle in adults.

The “synergy” people talk about is mostly overlapping effects (better recovery, improved nutrient partitioning, glycogen/water retention, fat loss), which can make results look more dramatic, not a true multiplier effect.

They complement each other, but neither one is useless without the other.

For a first-time GH run, maybe start at 3 - 4 IU. I'm pretty sure around 2 IU is often considered a basic “replacement” level for deficiency.

Personally, anything over 3 IU gives me pretty noticeable hand and finger aches, sometimes even numbness (almost an arthritic-type feeling from years of BJJ in the gi), plus some knee discomfort. Because of that, I’d start on the lower end and titrate up slowly instead of jumping straight in high.

 

[gsuprem3]

GH and testosterone don’t really “boost” each other in a direct way, they act through different systems.

Testosterone is the main driver of muscle growth via androgen receptors and increased protein synthesis. GH works more through IGF-1, improving fat loss, recovery, and tissue repair rather than directly adding much muscle in adults.

The “synergy” people talk about is mostly overlapping effects (better recovery, improved nutrient partitioning, glycogen/water retention, fat loss), which can make results look more dramatic, not a true multiplier effect.

They complement each other, but neither one is useless without the other.

For a first-time GH run, maybe start at 3 - 4 IU. I'm pretty sure around 2 IU is often considered a basic “replacement” level for deficiency.

Personally, anything over 3 IU gives me pretty noticeable hand and finger aches, sometimes even numbness (almost an arthritic-type feeling from years of BJJ in the gi), plus some knee discomfort. Because of that, I’d start on the lower end and titrate up slowly instead of jumping straight in high.

Thank you very much. Very well put. I appreciate your input

 

[Cypher]

Personally, anything over 3 IU gives me pretty noticeable hand and finger aches, sometimes even numbness (almost an arthritic-type feeling from years of BJJ in the gi), plus some knee discomfort. Because of that, I’d start on the lower end and titrate up slowly instead of jumping straight in high.

These are the side effects I've gotten. I shouldn't have worded that last part with the assumption the same thing will happen to you.

Thank you very much. Very well put. I appreciate your input

NP. There's plenty of dudes here, and they have first hand experience with running GH through it's course way more than me.

 

[chadmack]

Start low & titrate up slowly to avoid over whelming sides.

 

[RedRed82]

These are the side effects I've gotten. I shouldn't have worded that last part with the assumption the same thing will happen to you.

NP. There's plenty of dudes here, and they have first hand experience with running GH through it's course way more than me.

Cypher dropping knowledge all day


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[Knarfster]

GH and testosterone don’t really “boost” each other in a direct way, they act through different systems.

Testosterone is the main driver of muscle growth via androgen receptors and increased protein synthesis. GH works more through IGF-1, improving fat loss, recovery, and tissue repair rather than directly adding much muscle in adults.

The “synergy” people talk about is mostly overlapping effects (better recovery, improved nutrient partitioning, glycogen/water retention, fat loss), which can make results look more dramatic, not a true multiplier effect.

They complement each other, but neither one is useless without the other.

For a first-time GH run, maybe start at 3 - 4 IU. I'm pretty sure around 2 IU is often considered a basic “replacement” level for deficiency.

Personally, anything over 3 IU gives me pretty noticeable hand and finger aches, sometimes even numbness (almost an arthritic-type feeling from years of BJJ in the gi), plus some knee discomfort. Because of that, I’d start on the lower end and titrate up slowly instead of jumping straight in high.

3.33 Iu left me at 497, IGF-1 and terrible Carpal Tunnel. @ 61 years old I sit at 202 IGF-1 unenhanced. 2 iu only put me at 248 so I ramp up quickly. Will try 2.5 for awhile before I go back to Tesamorellin/Ipamorelin

 

[elit3keraed]

Studies showed hyperplasia at 3mg (9iu IIRC)

Below that you can get some improved growth but some folks say it’s more from the fact that you can recover faster and eat more without getting fatter so you can bulk longer and harder as opposed to GH causing literal hyperplasia.

Personally I think the synergy is the fact that GH increases cellular repair, testosterone boosts nitrogen retention and strength so you’re going to be able to recover faster and push harder. Like having a construction company that builds houses 8 hours a day vs one that builds houses 24 hours a day.


you’ll wanna start low and slow. Run it as long as your body can manage it (higher dosages will lead to issues with BG levels and such) and as high as you can afford/tolerate. I think chase irons talked about running 18iu eod pre bed then went to 18iu ED.

 

[Cypher]

I think chase irons talked about running 18iu eod pre bed then went to 18iu ED.

Bro, now why did you go there and mention him? fucking guy took all the gear in china and still looked like a bloated refrigerator.

 

[elit3keraed]

Bro, now why did you go there and mention him? fucking guy took all the gear in china and still looked like a bloated refrigerator.

lol I was just watching a video with big Paul and they were talking about him so I was curious and looked up his interview lol. I remember that one dude dr Tony huge and he had a guy who swore that 20 was a game changer

 

[RP_2023]

Any thoughts on running 8-10IU for 6+ months?

 

[elit3keraed]

Any thoughts on running 8-10IU for 6+ months?

If you can handle it why not? I went higher (not for muscle gain for healing purposes) and it was literally a daily change visually and I could heal from minor injuries in what felt like hours. Was trying to avoid hip surgery from a car accident and it did exactly what I wanted at 15+

 

[RP_2023]

If you can handle it why not? I went higher (not for muscle gain for healing purposes) and it was literally a daily change visually and I could heal from minor injuries in what felt like hours. Was trying to avoid hip surgery from a car accident and it did exactly what I wanted at 15+

This might sound dumb, but a lot of what you see online talks about the ‘magic’ for growth being in those higher ranges. I’m at a point where I could afford to run things that high for 6 months to maybe a year.





Question for the group, does it make any sense to push doses higher during a health phase while only running 150 mg of test, or is that something I should save for the next real push phase?

 

[Cypher]

lol I was just watching a video with big Paul and they were talking about him so I was curious and looked up his interview lol. I remember that one dude dr Tony huge and he had a guy who swore that 20 was a game changer

Google Brent Swansen if you don't know who he is.

Super nice guy but holy fuck, if GH was a person.

 

[elit3keraed]

This might sound dumb, but a lot of what you see online talks about the ‘magic’ for growth being in those higher ranges. I’m at a point where I could afford to run things that high for 6 months to maybe a year.





Question for the group, does it make any sense to push doses higher during a health phase while only running 150 mg of test, or is that something I should save for the next real push phase?

I can personally attest for the magic of high-dose growth hormone, but it’s expensive and can be a struggle with sides. Like when I first went up to 15 IU plus, I had so much water attention around the joints that when I got out of bed and tried to stand. It felt like my ankles and knees were gonna explode. It went away after like two weeks, but it was horrendous.

Quite honestly, if you’re looking to be healthy though, I don’t think pushing that much makes any sense whatsoever. I could see maybe higher end of the 1 to 5 range but I feel like beyond that you’re gonna start encountering more side effects. But then again it also depends on your age because if you’re in your late 30s early 40s, then two units will probably have more impact on you’re overall health and wellness then two units if you were 20 years old.

 

[elit3keraed]

Google Brent Swansen if you don't know who he is.

Super nice guy but holy fuck, if GH was a person.

Dude evolved from a forehead to an eight head.

 

[RP_2023]

I can personally attest for the magic of high-dose growth hormone, but it’s expensive and can be a struggle with sides. Like when I first went up to 15 IU plus, I had so much water attention around the joints that when I got out of bed and tried to stand. It felt like my ankles and knees were gonna explode. It went away after like two weeks, but it was horrendous.

Quite honestly, if you’re looking to be healthy though, I don’t think pushing that much makes any sense whatsoever. I could see maybe higher end of the 1 to 5 range but I feel like beyond that you’re gonna start encountering more side effects. But then again it also depends on your age because if you’re in your late 30s early 40s, then two units will probably have more impact on you’re overall health and wellness then two units if you were 20 years old.

I’m targeting 8-10, been running 4-5 with no issues. I want to see what this magic is about.

 

[Theotherone55]

Studies showed hyperplasia at 3mg (9iu IIRC)

What studies are those?

To the OP, start low (2-3ish) and titrate up. Sides are compeltely dependent on the person. I get no sides other than someee CP. Nothing bad though. I have been on 15iu+ for 18 months now.

 

[Wardamn]

Any thoughts on running 8-10IU for 6+ months?

Run it and see how you respond.

 

[Wardamn]

This might sound dumb, but a lot of what you see online talks about the ‘magic’ for growth being in those higher ranges. I’m at a point where I could afford to run things that high for 6 months to maybe a year.





Question for the group, does it make any sense to push doses higher during a health phase while only running 150 mg of test, or is that something I should save for the next real push phase?

I would save a 10IU run for when anabolics are high as well.

 

[elit3keraed]

What studies are those?

To the OP, start low (2-3ish) and titrate up. Sides are compeltely dependent on the person. I get no sides other than someee CP. Nothing bad though. I have been on 15iu+ for 18 months now.

I actually will recant what I said about the 3 mg study. I just was looking it up and I totally fucked up reading a GH study for HIV treatment. My bad.

 

[Tjnovakain]

So, GH as a main won't do much for muscle growth?
I haven't really wanted to do test or any other anabolics as my test levels are 1300 free and I'm in my mid 30s
Just curious what you guys think. I have test and tren just sitting around, but started GH a few days ago.

 

[Theotherone55]

So, GH as a main won't do much for muscle growth?
I haven't really wanted to do test or any other anabolics as my test levels are 1300 free and I'm in my mid 30s
Just curious what you guys think. I have test and tren just sitting around, but started GH a few days ago.

No, GH by itself isnt really a muscle builder in a traditional sense. It miiight give some body recomp effects due to fat oxidation and recovery. But actually building a better physique? No.

 

[Tjnovakain]

No, GH by itself isnt really a muscle builder in a traditional sense. It miiight give some body recomp effects due to fat oxidation and recovery. But actually building a better physique? No.

Would you have any suggestions that wouldn't wreck your test levels besides a clean diet and exercise?

 

[Theotherone55]

Would you have any suggestions that wouldn't wreck your test levels besides a clean diet and exercise?

In terms of muscle building, no. You basically have hormones and that's it. Those are the trade offs man.

I have natty clients and i try to tell them all the time. Your BEST BET is to try to eat at a slightly above maintenance diet and be motivated by strength progression...because being obsessed with "muscle gain" as a natty is a fruitless effort. Aint shit happening. Think like 0.25g per month if you are living like a monk.

Get obsessed with being strong rather than being big.