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Growing Using The Basics

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I love Eurotropins! Been running 2IU a day for 8 months now, feeling great.
 
Why such a low dose of test? I was just reading about the correlation between growth hormone binding protein and supra-physiological(bass killers word) test levels.. So wouldn't you get more out of the gh and cjc 1295 if you had a higher dose of test?

What do you think your test level is at on 250mg a week?? 1100??
 
Skinnyguy180 said:
Why such a low dose of test? I was just reading about the correlation between growth hormone binding protein and supra-physiological(bass killers word) test levels.. So wouldn't you get more out of the gh and cjc 1295 if you had a higher dose of test?

What do you think your test level is at on 250mg a week?? 1100??
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This is a common misconception that everyone has. This is my first time using exogenous hormones and there's no need to use mega high doses when low doses will give me the same if not better effects. 250mgs per week will put me around 1500-2000 range as my natural levels are in the 900-1000 range.

Remember these drugs are just like how we train and how we eat...to grow overtime things need to change so starting off at higher dosages doesn't do anyone any good.
 
DarkBeast said:
250mgs per week will put me around 1500-2000 range as my natural levels are in the 900-1000 range. .
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In this statement it looks like you're correlating your natty test levels to your levels while on gear. Why would it matter what your natural test level is? Other than to check again after pct to see if you've recovered . Also 2000 on 250 Mgs test seems pretty far fetched. I've seen a lot of blood work with myself to and this board and 1500 on 250 would be a good number.

I'm just trying to have a discussion about this but I understand if you don't want it derailing/cluttering your thread. Just let me know
 
DarkBeast said:
This is a common misconception that everyone has. This is my first time using exogenous hormones and there's no need to use mega high doses when low doses will give me the same if not better effects. 250mgs per week will put me around 1500-2000 range as my natural levels are in the 900-1000 range.

Remember these drugs are just like how we train and how we eat...to grow overtime things need to change so starting off at higher dosages doesn't do anyone any good.
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Are you referring to a peak or a trough blood level when you say 1500-2000? Usually we're talking about the trough, the 7-day blood draw if pinning just once a week, and in that case I'd be surprised to see that high a reading unless the gear is brewed hot. What's your pin frequency?

Natty levels shouldn't have any effect unless you add HCG to the mix. Otherwise your LH is gonna be zero and natty production is likewise zero.

I think the cautious approach on dosing is wise but 250mg/wk is remarkably low. It's a TRT dose for many, less than cruise for many others. A first cycle is usually 500 or 600mg/wk and ramping up to 50% higher. If you get results, however, then of course that can all be disregarded. Proof is in the pudding. But definitely see what the bloodwork early on (like week #3) says just in case you're inadvertently running a pure replacement-level TRT and wind up with an exogenous T result of 900-1000 -- i.e. wasting time and money.

Also, while caution is a good idea, remember that the testosterone is the most benign thing in use here (and in this forum in general) and maybe the one compound we can worry the least about when it comes to possible health risks. E2 has to be monitored of course. Is that a secondary reason for the low T dosing, avoiding an AI?

The cycle otherwise looks interesting, the mix of GH compounds and the slin to boot... something I haven't tried yet (nor anytime soon). Good luck!
 
chocolatemalt said:
Are you referring to a peak or a trough blood level when you say 1500-2000? Usually we're talking about the trough, the 7-day blood draw if pinning just once a week, and in that case I'd be surprised to see that high a reading unless the gear is brewed hot. What's your pin frequency?

Natty levels shouldn't have any effect unless you add HCG to the mix. Otherwise your LH is gonna be zero and natty production is likewise zero.

I think the cautious approach on dosing is wise but 250mg/wk is remarkably low. It's a TRT dose for many, less than cruise for many others. A first cycle is usually 500 or 600mg/wk and ramping up to 50% higher. If you get results, however, then of course that can all be disregarded. Proof is in the pudding. But definitely see what the bloodwork early on (like week #3) says just in case you're inadvertently running a pure replacement-level TRT and wind up with an exogenous T result of 900-1000 -- i.e. wasting time and money.

Also, while caution is a good idea, remember that the testosterone is the most benign thing in use here (and in this forum in general) and maybe the one compound we can worry the least about when it comes to possible health risks. E2 has to be monitored of course. Is that a secondary reason for the low T dosing, avoiding an AI?

The cycle otherwise looks interesting, the mix of GH compounds and the slin to boot... something I haven't tried yet (nor anytime soon). Good luck!
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Thanks for all the kind words and I love the discussion!

So first off, this is all based off of bloodwork results. My natural levels were always on the higher end as I tend to be a hyper-metabolizer. The goal is to get more blood work done in a few weeks.

I completely agree with test being more or less the safest PED and my POV is purely from a "using the least to get the most results" standpoint as I work with some top pros and national amateurs and the story is always the same. If your a hyper-metabolizer than it comes down to how well you can handle the sides. Since it's my first cycle I have only guesses as to what side effects I'll have so its me slowly increasing the dosage and keeping an eye on blood work.

For many guys that I work with, if they can't grow off test/growth/slin then they should reconsider how far they want to push their PEDs mainly because with this combination, it's almost impossible not to grow unless training and nutrition are shit.
 
Very interesting conversation you have going on. Im looking forward to your bloodwork, to see how thw methods being used will unfold .. very detailed log .
 
macedog24 said:
Very interesting conversation you have going on. Im looking forward to your bloodwork, to see how thw methods being used will unfold .. very detailed log .
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I love the discussions and welcome everyone to ask questions and start more discussions! PEDs aren't as black and white as the majority think. It's like the age old question "compound X will fight for receptors with compound Y"...when in actuality every AAS will at some level compete for receptors as they're are binding to androgen receptors.

Nothing is set in stone.
 
Only on day 6 on everything and FUCK! I was right in taking an educated guess that I would be a hyper-metabolizer.

Fullness and recovery are already dramatically different and my workouts are truly night and day different with the addition of gh+slin preworkout. I'm going to be slowly increasing my slin usage as my carbohydrates increase during my workouts.

Hoping to be moving up to 6IU gh split 3 pre/3 post and 6-10IU insulin over the next week and holding steady there. Like I said before I'm still gauging my sides and right now there's zero.

Will be posting pictures of the Test E from PSL hopefully today. The vials are damn eye catching. Very "clean and professional" looking is probably the best way to describe them.


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DarkBeast said:
Only on day 6 on everything and FUCK! I was right in taking an educated guess that I would be a hyper-metabolizer.

Fullness and recovery are already dramatically different and my workouts are truly night and day different with the addition of gh+slin preworkout. I'm going to be slowly increasing my slin usage as my carbohydrates increase during my workouts.

Hoping to be moving up to 6IU gh split 3 pre/3 post and 6-10IU insulin over the next week and holding steady there. Like I said before I'm still gauging my sides and right now there's zero.

Will be posting pictures of the Test E from PSL hopefully today. The vials are damn eye catching. Very "clean and professional" looking is probably the best way to describe them.


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Excellent, ! Looking forward to you upping doses and gauging your overall outcome. The vials are very addictive to look at at.
 
DarkBeast said:
Only on day 6 on everything and FUCK! I was right in taking an educated guess that I would be a hyper-metabolizer.

Fullness and recovery are already dramatically different and my workouts are truly night and day different with the addition of gh+slin preworkout. I'm going to be slowly increasing my slin usage as my carbohydrates increase during my workouts.

Hoping to be moving up to 6IU gh split 3 pre/3 post and 6-10IU insulin over the next week and holding steady there. Like I said before I'm still gauging my sides and right now there's zero.

Will be posting pictures of the Test E from PSL hopefully today. The vials are damn eye catching. Very "clean and professional" looking is probably the best way to describe them.


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Awesome to hear that bro!

Guys, if you saw DB right now you'd think he'd been blasting for years. This guy is truly a BEAST and I guarantee this will be the best transformation we have seen yet.

I am so happy to have him here on team PSL.
 
TheShadow said:
Awesome to hear that bro!

Guys, if you saw DB right now you'd think he'd been blasting for years. This guy is truly a BEAST and I guarantee this will be the best transformation we have seen yet.

I am so happy to have him here on team PSL.
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Means a lot man! I plan on posting before and after pics after we really get this cycle going :) should be a very noticeable change
 
3IUs euro pre fasted cardio works some fat loss miracles overtime!

Will be dosing 2.5mgs CJCDAC tonight before bed and then 125mgs Test E today.


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Nice pic ,and i love cardio for miracles!!!
 
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So after about 9 days on the extremely cautious dosages I'm going to increase. Typically side effects show within a 7-10 day timeframe so after seeing zero sides, I'm eager to add some more (still nothing crazy.)

Moving up to:
500mgs test E per week
6IUs Euros per day
6IUs slin per day
Keeping CJCDAC at 5mgs per week


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DarkBeast said:
So after about 9 days on the extremely cautious dosages I'm going to increase. Typically side effects show within a 7-10 day timeframe so after seeing zero sides, I'm eager to add some more (still nothing crazy.)

Moving up to:
500mgs test E per week
6IUs Euros per day
6IUs slin per day
Keeping CJCDAC at 5mgs per week


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You're injecting money? That's rich, man.

Good idea on the dose bump. Yeah it seems that the worst negative sides like infection or allergic reactions are going to manifest quickly, certainly within a week. The medium-term sides I'd look out for (although unlikely) are stuffiness and possible sleep apnea, and of course RBC/hematocrit spikes. Standard stuff but sometimes forgotten amongst the more serious compounds, doses, and sides we all talk about here.
 
chocolatemalt said:
You're injecting money? That's rich, man.

Good idea on the dose bump. Yeah it seems that the worst negative sides like infection or allergic reactions are going to manifest quickly, certainly within a week. The medium-term sides I'd look out for (although unlikely) are stuffiness and possible sleep apnea, and of course RBC/hematocrit spikes. Standard stuff but sometimes forgotten amongst the more serious compounds, doses, and sides we all talk about here.
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HAHHA! My bad on that ;)

Completely agreed. Taking it slow and assessing I feel will do my health better long term than running straight into high dosages.
 
TheShadow said:
Guys, if you saw DB right now you'd think he'd been blasting for years. This guy is truly a BEAST and I guarantee this will be the best transformation we have seen yet.
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Why can't we see him? Logs are always so much better with pics and updated pics as the log progresses.
 

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