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From the Boston Loyd thread, u guys don't need alot of drugs!

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Incredible build. I'm going to not beat around the bush and just say it.....looking at your pics and your dosages makes me realize I buy shit gear, gear was way better back then like some say, my diet must suck, my training is shit, or my genetics are shit. Or a shit ball of all those ingredients lol

Don't be too hard on yourself.
Note that OP is only 5ft6, with good genetics it does not take much gear to fill that frame up.
My gf is 5ft6, if she took the amount of gear he did back in the 90s she would smoke him on stage... superior genetics !


I've used parabolin yeah that's tren hex and it's fucking awsome, better than e or a. But by the time I got to national shows they had stopped producing it so there was no tren. I have 3 bottle of tren hex robo sent me sitting here I'll probably use it soon. I'm skeptical though that it's really hex but I had to try it. Parabolin came in 1 and a half cc amps 76.5 Mgs each and two a week and you would grow like crazy and get hard looking. So that's 153 Mgs a week. The stuff I have is 100mgs a cc so I'm not even sure how to use it.

Tren Hex at 100mg/ml is very common these days, nice easy number to work with as opposed to 73 or 86mg.
Try 1ml e3d, that's 233mg a week.
 
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That's what I'm saying I hear a lot about people running two amps sust 2 or 3 amps para a week tips! Like 3 was almost a crazy amount to use and now I know tons of pekple here and in my gym run 100mg day tren ace its aorta common place actually


People just abuse drugs today. They don't build a solid base...and they place less emphasis on training and diet (both absolutely critical to maximizing progress with gear).

Sure, some gear today is under-dosed, but PLENTY is not. Getting properly dosed gear...or very close to it...should not be a problem for even semi-experienced guys who know where to look/how to evaluate the scene.

The typical non-competitive steroid user in the 90's simply trained harder and ate better....and if they were a competitor, they busted their ass in both of those areas.
 
Don't be too hard on yourself.
Note that OP is only 5ft6, with good genetics it does not take much gear to fill that frame up.
My gf is 5ft6, if she took the amount of gear he did back in the 90s she would smoke him on stage... superior genetics !




Tren Hex at 100mg/ml is very common these days, nice easy number to work with as opposed to 73 or 86mg.
Try 1ml e3d, that's 233mg a week.
Man, too bad, would have been fun to compete against a girl, lol. That's a myth about height BTW. There are guys my height that are just boxy and blocky. And, no matter how tall you are putting on muscle is fuckin hard.
 
People just abuse drugs today. They don't build a solid base...and they place less emphasis on training and diet (both absolutely critical to maximizing progress with gear).

Sure, some gear today is under-dosed, but PLENTY is not. Getting properly dosed gear...or very close to it...should not be a problem for even semi-experienced guys who know where to look/how to evaluate the scene.

The typical non-competitive steroid user in the 90's simply trained harder and ate better....and if they were a competitor, they busted their ass in both of those areas.

give this man a prize.. we have a winner
 
I think you're probably right. I personally know I could be way more dedicated to training and especially diet. I think my lack of success is mostly those too problems and genetics a third.
 
like Ive said to countless guys, everybody has a cap no matter how many or how much shit you take.
That's so true. I mean I did pretty good but no matter what I did I was never going to be Mr. Olympia or even get close to a Mr. Olympia stage. Yeah, I could have got the pro card but I couldn't put the size on needed to be a good pro, it would have ended there for me. If you think about it the guys who compete at the Olympia are the guys who have perfect structure, or can just put on insane amounts of size and freaky hardness(Branch Warren ie), also they react unusually well to anabolic drugs, plus they have the discipline and work ethic to get the most out of what they were gifted with. Or you just get the super freak who has everything(Phil Heath, Ronnie Coleman, Flex Wheeler) freaky size and hardness plus symmetry and a pleasing physique to look at. And then you have the guys with the perfect genetic structure(Shawn Ray, Dexter Jackson). Either way your talking about the best of the best, the top 1% in the world. It takes a lot more than hard work to get there you need to be blessed on top of it.

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"300 Mgs Eq a day, 400 Mgs of primo . . ."

So that is 2100mg (2.1 grams) of boldenone a week

2800mg (2.8 grams) of primobolone a week

Basically 5 grams a week of just these two - Plus all the other stuff.

Why do you consider more than 5 grams of gear a week not much? Are people using that much more than this?

Also, since you say there was not much information available back then, how did you decide how much and what to use?

Based on that picture, I am a little shocked you could not turn pro, and, like the others, I am very curious what you look like now, decades later.
I saw the same and said that's a fuck ton of gear
 
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That's so true. I mean I did pretty good but no matter what I did I was never going to be Mr. Olympia or even get close to a Mr. Olympia stage. Yeah, I could have got the pro card but I couldn't put the size on needed to be a good pro, it would have ended there for me. If you think about it the guys who compete at the Olympia are the guys who have perfect structure, or can just put on insane amounts of size and freaky hardness(Branch Warren ie), also they react unusually well to anabolic drugs, plus they have the discipline and work ethic to get the most out of what they were gifted with. Or you just get the super freak who has everything(Phil Heath, Ronnie Coleman, Flex Wheeler) freaky size and hardness plus symmetry and a pleasing physique to look at. And then you have the guys with the perfect genetic structure(Shawn Ray, Dexter Jackson). Either way your talking about the best of the best, the top 1% in the world. It takes a lot more than hard work to get there you need to be blessed on top of it.

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enough bro or you are going to get called out again . lets live in the here and now.
contribute , stop reliving your glory days. lets move forward
 
enough bro or you are going to get called out again . lets live in the here and now.
contribute , stop reliving your glory days. lets move forward
Dude I wasn't talking about me at all, see that's what I don't understand. I actually put myself down if you read what I wrote. I said I didn't have the genetics to go that far. Then I just talked about some great bodybuilders and how no matter what a normal person does drug wise, training wise, eating whatever, they could never approach that level. So, all u can do is be the best you can be for yourself. Then you say I'm reliving my glory days?? Dude i dont care really about what I did 20 years ago, I'm just trying to get it through to people that potentially damaging your health chasing an impossible goal isn't smart. It's kind of like a high school base ball player, fairly good one. Thinks if he take the all kinds of GH and steroids they will hit 700 home runs like Barry Bonds or A-rod. It's just not going to happen. Now, if you do some contests, do well, get to national level shows and do well and you clearly have what it takes then I'm all for going for it. I don't understand your comment it's like you're trying to start crap again. This shit isn't my life man, I'll never compete ever again, I dont want to be any bigger than I am right now. I tell you guys these things because there are young guys out there who really believe they can drug their way to looking a certain way.(example, they listen to this Boston Loyd clown who has the done shit in stage). It doesn't just affect the their health, it affects their lives, they ignore what's really important, like school, family and living your life. I know young bodybuilders at the gym I go to that won't go out with their girlfriend cause they may miss a meal or something dumb like that. So, please understand where Im coming from. I could give a shit what I did bodybuilding wise, it did absolutely nothing for me but cost me lots of money. I never made any money off if it and, honestly if I could do it over again I wouldn't have wasted so much of my 20's on bodybuilding. Looking back it was just dumb. I fucked up relationships with girlfriends over it, I was in law school at the end and because of juggling bodybuilding I didn't do half as well as I should have in law school which ended up making my job choices coming out of school more limited. I don't want to waste time writing long posts on here either and I'm not getting dragged back into any arguments. But, before you say something like you did actually read what was written and actually try to comprehend it. I'm done with this thread. I said what I had to. If you want to use thousands of dollars of drugs for no good reason more power to you, it's your life. I'm just trying to put some reality out there. But I'm done. I'll comment on other things, I do know way too much about drugs and getting ready for contests ect so I'll keep it at that. What you want to do is your business but just be honest with yourself.

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Dude I wasn't talking about me at all, see that's what I don't understand. I actually put myself down if you read what I wrote. I said I didn't have the genetics to go that far. Then I just talked about some great bodybuilders and how no matter what a normal person does drug wise, training wise, eating whatever, they could never approach that level. So, all u can do is be the best you can be for yourself. Then you say I'm reliving my glory days?? Dude i dont care really about what I did 20 years ago, I'm just trying to get it through to people that potentially damaging your health chasing an impossible goal isn't smart. It's kind of like a high school base ball player, fairly good one. Thinks if he take the all kinds of GH and steroids they will hit 700 home runs like Barry Bonds or A-rod. It's just not going to happen. Now, if you do some contests, do well, get to national level shows and do well and you clearly have what it takes then I'm all for going for it. I don't understand your comment it's like you're trying to start crap again. This shit isn't my life man, I'll never compete ever again, I dont want to be any bigger than I am right now. I tell you guys these things because there are young guys out there who really believe they can drug their way to looking a certain way.(example, they listen to this Boston Loyd clown who has the done shit in stage). It doesn't just affect the their health, it affects their lives, they ignore what's really important, like school, family and living your life. I know young bodybuilders at the gym I go to that won't go out with their girlfriend cause they may miss a meal or something dumb like that. So, please understand where Im coming from. I could give a shit what I did bodybuilding wise, it did absolutely nothing for me but cost me lots of money. I never made any money off if it and, honestly if I could do it over again I wouldn't have wasted so much of my 20's on bodybuilding. Looking back it was just dumb. I fucked up relationships with girlfriends over it, I was in law school at the end and because of juggling bodybuilding I didn't do half as well as I should have in law school which ended up making my job choices coming out of school more limited. I don't want to waste time writing long posts on here either and I'm not getting dragged back into any arguments. But, before you say something like you did actually read what was written and actually try to comprehend it. I'm done with this thread. I said what I had to. If you want to use thousands of dollars of drugs for no good reason more power to you, it's your life. I'm just trying to put some reality out there. But I'm done. I'll comment on other things, I do know way too much about drugs and getting ready for contests ect so I'll keep it at that. What you want to do is your business but just be honest with yourself.

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I agree with you in many statements and I think most here do.

It is the inferiority complex you have that just kills it.
 
Bro if that's you, you're exceptionally gifted. That physique is elite.
Yeah it's really me, and thanks for the compliment but actually I regret wasting all the time I did back then while not putting enough effort in other things. I wrote about that in the last post. There is no reward in bodybuilding unless you're at the very top. I spent so much cash on competing with absolutely no return except a stupid 30$ trophy. And, I wasn't your typical bodybuilder of the time, I had other things going on that we're much more important to my future at the time. Bodybuilding adversely affected those things and it was just a poor decision on my part to put out so much effort with no real chance of any real return.

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Dude I wasn't talking about me at all, see that's what I don't understand. I actually put myself down if you read what I wrote. I said I didn't have the genetics to go that far. Then I just talked about some great bodybuilders and how no matter what a normal person does drug wise, training wise, eating whatever, they could never approach that level. So, all u can do is be the best you can be for yourself. Then you say I'm reliving my glory days?? Dude i dont care really about what I did 20 years ago, I'm just trying to get it through to people that potentially damaging your health chasing an impossible goal isn't smart. It's kind of like a high school base ball player, fairly good one. Thinks if he take the all kinds of GH and steroids they will hit 700 home runs like Barry Bonds or A-rod. It's just not going to happen. Now, if you do some contests, do well, get to national level shows and do well and you clearly have what it takes then I'm all for going for it. I don't understand your comment it's like you're trying to start crap again. This shit isn't my life man, I'll never compete ever again, I dont want to be any bigger than I am right now. I tell you guys these things because there are young guys out there who really believe they can drug their way to looking a certain way.(example, they listen to this Boston Loyd clown who has the done shit in stage). It doesn't just affect the their health, it affects their lives, they ignore what's really important, like school, family and living your life. I know young bodybuilders at the gym I go to that won't go out with their girlfriend cause they may miss a meal or something dumb like that. So, please understand where Im coming from. I could give a shit what I did bodybuilding wise, it did absolutely nothing for me but cost me lots of money. I never made any money off if it and, honestly if I could do it over again I wouldn't have wasted so much of my 20's on bodybuilding. Looking back it was just dumb. I fucked up relationships with girlfriends over it, I was in law school at the end and because of juggling bodybuilding I didn't do half as well as I should have in law school which ended up making my job choices coming out of school more limited. I don't want to waste time writing long posts on here either and I'm not getting dragged back into any arguments. But, before you say something like you did actually read what was written and actually try to comprehend it. I'm done with this thread. I said what I had to. If you want to use thousands of dollars of drugs for no good reason more power to you, it's your life. I'm just trying to put some reality out there. But I'm done. I'll comment on other things, I do know way too much about drugs and getting ready for contests ect so I'll keep it at that. What you want to do is your business but just be honest with yourself.

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thats the part you dont get these young guys starting out dont need a dad they need a role model.. anyone who isnt an idiot already knows bostin loyd is one. i agree with you. but some of these guys will need to figure life out for themselves , just like we both did.. and most people dont get into BB , it gets into them . its a sickness
 
Yeah it's really me, and thanks for the compliment but actually I regret wasting all the time I did back then while not putting enough effort in other things. I wrote about that in the last post. There is no reward in bodybuilding unless you're at the very top. I spent so much cash on competing with absolutely no return except a stupid 30$ trophy. And, I wasn't your typical bodybuilder of the time, I had other things going on that we're much more important to my future at the time. Bodybuilding adversely affected those things and it was just a poor decision on my part to put out so much effort with no real chance of any real return.

Hey Gerard. Cool to see you back.

What you just said there is the main reason why 90% of the bro's here don't compete. Gym rats wanna gain muscle too. But not make a living outta of at best a what 1% chance of being a top pro?
 
I agree with you in many statements and I think most here do.

It is the inferiority complex you have that just kills it.
See, I was stupid for coming back here, obviously not everyone, I've talked to a lot of guys on pm and they are cool as hell. But why in the world would you say I have an inferiority complex?? I'm the last one who has a problem with confidence and it has absolutely nothing to do with bodybuilding. It seems some of you guys think I posted that picture to say look at me, look how great I was 20 whatever years ago. Obviously, you're missing my whole point. I know I looked good when I competed I was very successful, I don't need anyone's praise about that. To make it clear to you, I posted the picture to show you can be successful without listening to idiots like Boton "I'm a fuckin wannabe who's never won anything important" Loyd. I can't believe I let some idiotic comments, from a few guys, get me to respond again but these comments are so off base I couldn't say nothing. I guess I should just take my experience, keep my mouth shut and let guys who aren't getting any good advice use 3000 Mgs of gear a week and shoot synthol into every body part(that's real smart, I would never touch that stuff). I know, I'm insecure so nothing I've experienced or say matters, lol. I try to help, it's not worth it I guess. I mean I get pms from guys who really do actually understand what I'm saying asking for advice, that was the reason I even bought this up and why I put that picture up. I really have to stop reacting to idiotic comments that really are disrespectful.
 
Dude I wasn't talking about me at all, see that's what I don't understand. I actually put myself down if you read what I wrote. I said I didn't have the genetics to go that far. Then I just talked about some great bodybuilders and how no matter what a normal person does drug wise, training wise, eating whatever, they could never approach that level. So, all u can do is be the best you can be for yourself. Then you say I'm reliving my glory days?? Dude i dont care really about what I did 20 years ago, I'm just trying to get it through to people that potentially damaging your health chasing an impossible goal isn't smart. It's kind of like a high school base ball player, fairly good one. Thinks if he take the all kinds of GH and steroids they will hit 700 home runs like Barry Bonds or A-rod. It's just not going to happen. Now, if you do some contests, do well, get to national level shows and do well and you clearly have what it takes then I'm all for going for it. I don't understand your comment it's like you're trying to start crap again. This shit isn't my life man, I'll never compete ever again, I dont want to be any bigger than I am right now. I tell you guys these things because there are young guys out there who really believe they can drug their way to looking a certain way.(example, they listen to this Boston Loyd clown who has the done shit in stage). It doesn't just affect the their health, it affects their lives, they ignore what's really important, like school, family and living your life. I know young bodybuilders at the gym I go to that won't go out with their girlfriend cause they may miss a meal or something dumb like that. So, please understand where Im coming from. I could give a shit what I did bodybuilding wise, it did absolutely nothing for me but cost me lots of money. I never made any money off if it and, honestly if I could do it over again I wouldn't have wasted so much of my 20's on bodybuilding. Looking back it was just dumb. I fucked up relationships with girlfriends over it, I was in law school at the end and because of juggling bodybuilding I didn't do half as well as I should have in law school which ended up making my job choices coming out of school more limited. I don't want to waste time writing long posts on here either and I'm not getting dragged back into any arguments. But, before you say something like you did actually read what was written and actually try to comprehend it. I'm done with this thread. I said what I had to. If you want to use thousands of dollars of drugs for no good reason more power to you, it's your life. I'm just trying to put some reality out there. But I'm done. I'll comment on other things, I do know way too much about drugs and getting ready for contests ect so I'll keep it at that. What you want to do is your business but just be honest with yourself.

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I hear ya. It's hard to explain to younger guys how things look when your a little older. The whole "you can do anything" that is preached today is a lie. Bodybuilding is great but it needs to be kept in perspective. If you're in college take a step back and look at things for how they actually are. If it's negativly affecting your school work it's time to dial it back, if you don't I can promise you youll wish you did. Same can be said if it's turning you into a recluse. You don't get this time back, and they are the best years of your life.

As far as the caviler attitude to huge doses. Keep in mind that there are consequences, and the long lasting side effects that show up down the road are not just something that happens to other people. To each their own but be aware that there's a good chance you will be sitting there 15-20 years down the road thinking how reckless it was wishing a different approach had been taken. Time passes extremely fast. You can find yourself looking ahead at the next 30-40 years and wishing you hadn't caused health issues just for vanity in your younger days.

Not that I'm all that old, but I have seen some guys who were pretty into the scene in the 80s-90s who have heart issues today and there have been a couple heart attacks. Really puts it all in perspective.
 
thats the part you dont get these young guys starting out dont need a dad they need a role model.. anyone who isnt an idiot already knows bostin loyd is one. i agree with you. but some of these guys will need to figure life out for themselves , just like we both did.. and most people dont get into BB , it gets into them . its a sickness

I can't believe I got myself into this again, I have to be up at 5 am and I'm going back and forth on a muscle head message board. Don't you realize that guys do listen to that idiot, if they didn't he wouldn't be all over you tube. I'm not trying to be anyone's dad, I don't have any kids and don't need any. My point was to be a decent role model. I actually graduated college with a 3.89 GPA, went to a top 20 law school and also bodybuilding was a passion of mine. I just know too many young guys, obviously I don't personally know anyone on here but I'm sure there are plenty on here, that live their whole lives around the gym and drugs and eating 7 times a day. Most of these guys don't ever compete but it still adversely affects their lives. Thank God I knew I would never make any real life out of bodybuilding and I actually did something with my life. I'm talking about these guys, and I'm actually talking about someone I know personally, who are now like 26, taking all kinds of drugs, not competing, no college and working a 15$ an hour job and going no where. You're 100% right it is a sickness I guess I realize that now and I'm just trying to say give yourself a balance, go to the gym, use some drugs safely, look good for yourself but it's really not that important. If your training is making your life better by improving your health, confidence and overall well being it's fucking great(and yes there is a safe way to use anabolic drugs). But if you won't go to a family event because you'll miss your leg workout you have a problem.
 
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See, I was stupid for coming back here, obviously not everyone, I've talked to a lot of guys on pm and they are cool as hell. But why in the world would you say I have an inferiority complex?? I'm the last one who has a problem with confidence and it has absolutely nothing to do with bodybuilding. It seems some of you guys think I posted that picture to say look at me, look how great I was 20 whatever years ago. Obviously, you're missing my whole point. I know I looked good when I competed I was very successful, I don't need anyone's praise about that. To make it clear to you, I posted the picture to show you can be successful without listening to idiots like Boton "I'm a fuckin wannabe who's never won anything important" Loyd. I can't believe I let some idiotic comments, from a few guys, get me to respond again but these comments are so off base I couldn't say nothing. I guess I should just take my experience, keep my mouth shut and let guys who aren't getting any good advice use 3000 Mgs of gear a week and shoot synthol into every body part(that's real smart, I would never touch that stuff). I know, I'm insecure so nothing I've experienced or say matters, lol. I try to help, it's not worth it I guess. I mean I get pms from guys who really do actually understand what I'm saying asking for advice, that was the reason I even bought this up and why I put that picture up. I really have to stop reacting to idiotic comments that really are disrespectful.

ehh what i say man. we would like you to stick around, but when you make a post comparing yourself too bostin its seems like you
are trying to hard to prove something . if you read the original thread everyone here thinks the kid is a tool . so
how about you make a post offering free advice and guidance , no pics , no accomplishments , just say hey i been around a while maybe i can help kinda thing, i dunno, honestly i dont think you have thick enough skin to survive here. we are just a bunch of gym rat , juice head, drug taking guys looking for a lil social outlet and entertainment . most guys on here are swapping one addiction for another , we talk shit about each other
from time to time and argue/debate . it is what it is. you either like it or hate it . we can all be idiots at one time or another , especially when high, which most on here do in one fashion or another. lets hug it out
 
I hear ya. It's hard to explain to younger guys how things look when your a little older. The whole "you can do anything" that is preached today is a lie. Bodybuilding is great but it needs to be kept in perspective. If you're in college take a step back and look at things for how they actually are. If it's negativly affecting your school work it's time to dial it back, if you don't I can promise you youll wish you did. Same can be said if it's turning you into a recluse. You don't get this time back, and they are the best years of your life.

As far as the caviler attitude to huge doses. Keep in mind that there are consequences, and the long lasting side effects that show up down the road are not just something that happens to other people. To each their own but be aware that there's a good chance you will be sitting there 15-20 years down the road thinking how reckless it was wishing a different approach had been taken. Time passes extremely fast. You can find yourself looking ahead at the next 30-40 years and wishing you hadn't caused health issues just for vanity in your younger days.

Not that I'm all that old, but I have seen some guys who were pretty into the scene in the 80s-90s who have heart issues today and there have been a couple heart attacks. Really puts it all in perspective.

Amen, I'll just let you talk for me, you're obviously better at it, lol.
 
That was a little too harsh huh.

We are all guilty of it. I recently argued with a guy that competes and his reply was I need to spend more time working out, implying I look like shit.

Won't happen and my opinion of him did not change.

My family comes first, career second and weight training is a distant third.

As to the OP he has made great accomplishments regardless of his height and I applaud him for that. And his opinion of gear is spot on.

Sometimes guys just get on our nerves and they make easy targets and I am as guilty as anyone.
 
ehh what i say man. we would like you to stick around, but when you make a post comparing yourself too bostin its seems like you
are trying to hard to prove something . if you read the original thread everyone here thinks the kid is a tool . so
how about you make a post offering free advice and guidance , no pics , no accomplishments , just say hey i been around a while maybe i can help kinda thing, i dunno, honestly i dont think you have thick enough skin to survive here. we are just a bunch of gym rat , juice head, drug taking guys looking for a lil social outlet and entertainment . most guys on here are swapping one addiction for another , we talk shit about each other
from time to time and argue/debate . it is what it is. you either like it or hate it . we can all be idiots at one time or another , especially when high, which most on here do in one fashion or another. lets hug it out
It's cool man, I'm not mad at anyone, honestly. And I would help anyone with anything for free, just ask. I'm not comparing myself to Loyd, the guy is no where near where I was at when I quit but somehow he's a Internet guru. I hear you though I know everyone says the guys an idiot, all you have to do is watch his stupid videos to see that. But, since he changed his physique so drastically people will take what he says seriously. I don't know, the things he says he does(maybe he's just talking shit) is really disturbing and I can tell you for a fact that top pros use no where near those types of doses and amounts of other drugs. But no we are cool, I'm on here cause I have a side of me that is same as you. A gym rat. No one knows I still use drugs and actually its very stupid because I could potentially loose my license to practice my profession because I am violating the law. So, I guess I'm not the smartest either. I'm with you with just dropping this and supporting and helping each other.
 
We are all guilty of it. I recently argued with a guy that competes and his reply was I need to spend more time working out, implying I look like shit.

Won't happen and my opinion of him did not change.

My family comes first, career second and weight training is a distant third.

As to the OP he has made great accomplishments regardless of his height and I applaud him for that. And his opinion of gear is spot on.

Sometimes guys just get on our nerves and they make easy targets and I am as guilty as anyone.

Brings tears to my eyes. I love me some Skip.


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ehh what i say man. we would like you to stick around, but when you make a post comparing yourself too bostin its seems like you
are trying to hard to prove something . if you read the original thread everyone here thinks the kid is a tool . so
how about you make a post offering free advice and guidance , no pics , no accomplishments , just say hey i been around a while maybe i can help kinda thing, i dunno, honestly i dont think you have thick enough skin to survive here. we are just a bunch of gym rat , juice head, drug taking guys looking for a lil social outlet and entertainment . most guys on here are swapping one addiction for another , we talk shit about each other
from time to time and argue/debate . it is what it is. you either like it or hate it . we can all be idiots at one time or another , especially when high, which most on here do in one fashion or another. lets hug it out

I'm a fine law abiding citizen of this great democracy. No addictions for me other than gear use year round


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Drugs? I don't do drugs, WTF is wrong with you guys.
 

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