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"First Cycle" Tutorial Thread..!!

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Ok..Gentlemen..
So we are putting together a Tutorial Thread to lay out some Basic Fundamentals...
This will talk about the importance of Test Only...Bloodwork and Estrogen Control..
Laying out the Baseline Bloodwork, during cycle Bloodwork and after cycle bloods..
Ways to Control Estrogen with AI's..
What Test Esters to use..how long and doses..
Reasons and Logic behind Test Only...
A Broad Overview..but something the New Users can Read and Educate themselves with..
Something we can Refer New Guys too...instead of countless replies on the same topic..

Also....
Some input from some members personal experiences..
Basically...hints,tips and things that worked..Also things that Didn't Work..

I believe ASF could greatly benefit from such a Thread..it would not only Educate, but also..free up the Forum..
We get 5 to 10 threads a week on First Cycle Questions..
If nothing but educating..a Win..Win..!!

So..if you want...
Type a few words...or a page..
Stuff that the New Guy (or Girl) might find very useful in the beginning of their Journey..

Remember..this is for those guys with next to No Knowledge about gear..
Thanksgiving Guys
Z...
 
My knowledge may not be the best but I’m sure somebody here will correct this if there’s something they don’t like I’m just giving what I know 😁 I also would like it to be known I did NOT follow this protocal because I was an asshole and wasn’t apart of this forum yet. I learned this after being here. My first cycle was obnoxious and un neccesary the way I did it… hope this helps somebody

First and for most make sure all research is done on WHAT steroids do to the body.

Second! After u have researched significantly on gear usage, and u have decided to come to the dark side… u then can figure out if u will be staying on for life or! Coming off which will require a PCT…u then u should pull lab work PRIOR to starting your first cycle. This will give u a baseline of where natural levels such as test and estrogen are. Giving u a nice understanding of where your estrogen may want to be while on cycle… and also for when u come off to see if u have returned to normal…after your labs have come back and you are HEALTHY and still want to start a cycle…

third! Begin researching how to pin the gear you’re going to be using and WHERE TO INJECT! and maybe look to see what the different esters are and what they means


FOURTH! After you have done that you’re probably still not ready to start but that’s ok your probably ganna anywway… your ganna order proper supplements to protect your organs. Me personally and Im no expert but a liver support and something for the heart would be enough… AFTER YOU HAVE PHYSICALLY RECIVIED THESE PRODUCTS… then continue to ur next step… ORDER THE GOOODS

FIF! Pic one of the AWSOME sponsors we have on here and order your self 2 bottles of (test cyp or enan, along with an AI (I recommend aromasin for the AI , it’s not as harsh as the other ones out there). Youl also be ordering you PCT… clomid and nolvadex (I can not give u these dosing as I have not really ran a successful one.) you won’t start taking the ai until AFTER your lab work your ganna order and have done 4-6 weeks into your cycle . 2 reasons… one you won’t be fully saturated until around 4-5 weeks in, second! Your lab results will tell u exactly how high your estrogen is and will also tell u weather u need one or not… MORE THEN LIKELY YOU WILL! So have them on hand before starting

SIXTH! Your newbie cycle will be 500mg test cyp /week easiest way to start would be 2 pins a week . 250mg each pin. Youl do this twice a week for 8-12 weeks and then either come off and PCT (2 weeks after last pin) or stay on at a trt dose (no pct) DONT FORGET TO DO UR LAB WORK 4-6 weeks in!!

Assuming somebody read all this I placed the dosing at the bottom to make these fuckers work a little for it.

If I missed anything or am wrong please make fun of me and call me out. 👍
 
There's No Right or Perfect Way..to do a First Cycle..
Nothing carved in Stone..
No..Sorry..
Just some guys that have paved the Way for others to learn and grow in knowledge...and to avoid mistakes they've made..

There's a ton of stuff one needs to understand prior to pinning..!!
Like I've said..a successful First Cycle depends greatly on amount of research done,understand how Estrogen effects the body,doing and understanding Bloodwork and Esters and Doses..
Lots to Digest..!!

Z...
 
1...What to take..
2...doses..
3...pinning schedule..

Sterile Protocols
Needle size
Proper Disposal of pins
PIP
Proper pining techniques

BLOODWORK...
1..Baseline..
2..Markers..
3..Bloodwork Frequency..

ESTROGEN CONTROL...
1..When to use..
2..What Type..
3..What's a good range to be in..
4..PED's with AI qualities..

PCT/TRT
1..What's the difference..
2..When do you start TRT..
3..A correct/effective PCT..
4..A correct/effective TRT..
5..Pro's and Con's of PCT..

..WHY ONLY TEST..
This is the Million Dollar answer..
But WHY..!!!

These are the Questions we are going to address..along with Others..
Z...
 
What to take..
Test E or C...is the easiest way to go..Don't try and reinvent the "Wheel"...

Doses..
This is where our opinions vary..
Some believe 300mg/wk..
Others like myself lean towards 500mg/wk..

Pinning Schedule..
Most lean towards twice a week..diving the total dose into two shots per week..
This keeps an even flow of Testosterone and helps keep Estrogen spikes to a minimum..

Z...
 
Sterile Protocols..
This is extremely important during your entire Journey..One mishap of a dirty needle or contamination and an inner muscle infection could happen..
Alcohol is best to use..!!

Swab the top of the vial..
Flush the "Loader Needle" with Alcohol..then force the remaining Alcohol out..
Remove the New pinning rig and remove the pinning needle..
Install the newly flushed Loader Needle (usually a 20 or 18 Guage Needle)..
Push the loader in the vial with the amount of air that equals the amount of Oil you're pinning..
If you're pinning 1/2 cc...put 1/2 of cc of air in..
Pull approximately 1/4 of air after you get the desired amount of oil in the syringe..
Swap the Loader Needle for the New Pinning Needle..
Force out the excess air..

Prepare two cotton balls in Alcohol..
Swab the injection site..pin slowly..Remove pin..Swab area..
Message area for about 30 seconds..
Heating can help absorption..(different thread)

Needle Size..
Person preference..the smaller/less scar tissue..but slower the pinning..
Personally..I load with a 20g..pin with either 27x1...or 22x1.5..
1.5" for glutes..1" of everything else..
But that's me..

Disposal..
Please be Responsible..not just in the trash..most use a used detergent plastic container..or something alone these lines..

PIP..
This will happen..just part of the Game..High concentration of hormone is usually the main cause..Virgin Muscle is a big cause..and it's Normal..

..When To Be Worried..
When the area is red, swollen and Hot..also watch your body temperature..if raised...might be an infection..!!
Try anti-inflammatories,heating pad and hot soaks..
Usually..No Ice..this can increase the pain..!!
If after days..no improvement..double the efforts..
If after a week to 14 days..No Change..antibiotics might be needed or a Dr. Visit..!!

Proper Pinning Technics..
Refer to BD Pinning Protocols..
I've found great information about various ways to pin..
Z...
 
Need to discuss that PEDs are nothing without well planned diet, training routine, the importance of rest, ie: careful not to overtrain. Newbies tend to think they can train 7 days a week. Recovery for muscle growth as well as mental well being.
Cycle support supplements may should be discussed as well.
Would this be a new sub forum or just pinned in New member introduction?
This is a very good idea. So many forms don't really care to educate and flame Newbies. Harm reduction should be pushed to any Newbies.
 
Castaway said:
Need to discuss that PEDs are nothing without well planned diet, training routine, the importance of rest, ie: careful not to overtrain. Newbies tend to think they can train 7 days a week. Recovery for muscle growth as well as mental well being.
Cycle support supplements may should be discussed as well.
Would this be a new sub forum or just pinned in New member introduction?
This is a very good idea. So many forms don't really care to educate and flame Newbies. Harm reduction should be pushed to any Newbies.
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Agreed...
Yes..the Big 3 needs to be addressed as well..
Over-training and basic input on Training, Nutrition and Recovery..

Anyone want to take the Ball on any of the Topics mentioned..
Please give input..!!
Z...
 
I have an article published on another site discussing the aftermath of coming off cycle. I personally towards the end of my cruising days prior to TRT delt with some major depression issues. I can PM you a link to the article and if you think any of what I discuss should be included you are welcome to use it.
 
Sure..I'm going to have a Mod organize the final product..moving some post from different threads to make this as comprehensive as possible..
Z...
 
Bloodwork..
Probably the least thing done in the total scheme of things..
Yet Probably..the most Important part of the Equation..

Why Do It..??
Well without it..kinda flying blind..!!
Estrogen could be anywhere..!!
Markers could be not onlt elevated or out-of-healthy Range..

Mainly to establish a Baseline,monitor how each compounds effects YOU..!!
AND
Control Estrogen..

Some do Bloodwork prior,during and after Cycles..
Some more experienced guys do it differently..due to compounds and personal knowledge..

It's extremely important to do proper Bloodwork in the very Beginning..
Because...Everyone is different..

Also...
Whenever a problem arises..Bloodwork is usually the first step..

This is a very basic overview..
One Must educate themselves about markers...it will become something to help prevent problems down the Road..
Z...
 
..The Estrogen Control Topic..
This is probably the biggest problem I constantly see on this board..
I've PMed Vision...it's a complicated subject with many facets..many variables..
I honestly want to hand this one off to the Real Gear Heads..

Not that I don't have a good working knowledge..I just think there's more talented guys with indepth..detailed explanation with lots of science behind their words..
Z...
 
Okay so a topic to discuss with newer people using gear because I'm going to be fair I'm new myself is actually how to read their own blood work I know when I start it I didn't know half the things I was looking at or what I needed to look at
 
For a beginner I would say 1cc of test is fine.

Also, I know people say only test, but I don't mind something like a 25mg Proviron a day, actually sometimes I recommend it because it can help control e2 without crushing it, and boost free test a bit to get a better sense of well being.

That is generally my recommendation. 1cc test, 25mg proviron.
 
Battousai said:
For a beginner I would say 1cc of test is fine.

Also, I know people say only test, but I don't mind something like a 25mg Proviron a day, actually sometimes I recommend it because it can help control e2 without crushing it, and boost free test a bit to get a better sense of well being.

That is generally my recommendation. 1cc test, 25mg proviron.
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I ran test with tbol gave me great energy
 
This is looking pretty damn good .

I call it leg work ( reading and lots of it !! Ask questions the only stupid question is the one not asked !!)

I guess there's a couple things to add. Blood work before cycle ,blood work mid cycle and blood work before your next cycle .

Need to be working out and a good diet in place before you start anything.

Also remember for most of you stick your toes in this pond you may never come back from that . It may be life long thing .

I believe to just do enough to make you anabolic the first time so start around 300 mgs per week and after blood work go from there . U probably wan t need a ai (aromasin is what I recommend) for this but it needs to be on hand always .

Pinning , mame sure your cleaning area good , never use same pin to draw and pin . No need to stab yourself either if you put up there and push it slow it will work lol. Also I leave the pin in for about 30 seconds after all the oil is in I believe this helps with leak back which causes most pip . This isn't a damn race take your time !!
Liver support and cycle support and pct is a must to have on hand before you start any cycle . Blood work is a must until u learn your body . We are all different so what I do may not work for you .
Test is base for all cycles no fucking exception. I dont care who says .

Also you want be superman or a pro anytime soon . These guys do this stuff for years and never make it . It takes a lot hard work .


Good luck on your journey .


I wish I had people that was willing to help me 25 years ago when I started this journey .
 
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Jaxz said:
This is looking pretty damn good .

I call it leg work ( reading and lots of it !! Ask questions the only stupid question is the one not asked !!)

I guess there's a couple things to add. Blood work before cycle ,blood work mid cycle and blood work before your next cycle .

Need to be working out and a good diet in place before you start anything.

Also remember for most of you stick your toes in this pond you may never come back from that . It may be life long thing .

I believe to just do enough to make you anabolic the first time so start around 300 mgs per week and after blood work go from there . U probably wan t need a ai (aromasin is what I recommend) for this but it needs to be on hand always .

Pinning , mame sure your cleaning area good , never use same pin to draw and pin . No need to stab yourself either if you put up there and push it slow it will work lol. Also I leave the pin in for about 30 seconds after all the oil is in I believe this helps with leak back which causes most pip . This isn't a damn race take your time !!
Liver support and cycle support and pct is a must to have on hand before you start any cycle . Blood work is a must until u learn your body . We are all different so what I do may not work for you .
Test is base for all cycles no fucking exception. I dont care who says .

Also you want be superman or a pro anytime soon . These guys do this stuff for years and never make it . It takes a lot hard work .


Good luck on your journey .


I wish I had people that was willing to help me 25 years ago when I started this journey .
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Perfect Jaxz..
Thank you..Brother..
Z...
 
Lab Work/Blood Work notes:

1. You need this. There are a number of different companies that do it. Some are more expensive than others. If you cannot afford this, you cannot afford to be putting chemicals in your body. In fact, if you're going to refuse blood work, you probably shouldn't even ask any questions about situations because you can't tell what's going on in your own body.

2. You need this done before you start. Seriously, this has to be part of the research and preparation. You need that baseline to look at to determine what your body was doing before your started adding things to it. Without a baseline, presenting a number from a blood test is nearly worthless.

3. Especially once you start adding chemicals, "normal" numbers or "reference ranges" don't count! You ARE going to be outside those ranges because you're putting hormones in your body! If you want to stay in the normal ranges, you need to NOT inject substances into your body.

4. Research and learn. This is the most difficult part about blood tests and foreign substances. When you inject chemicals into your body, it's very complex functions will change. This will change results on these tests. You cannot simply go to a doctor and say that your XXX is high because they can't fix that. You have to learn what each of those markers means and why they change. You need to compare them to your baseline and understand when and how and why they will be different. There is no one that can help guide you here, you have to learn it on your own and how your body responds. Once you learn that a certain marker is not where you want it to be, then you can figure out how to make it move. Ask around what values others have that are using the same chemicals as you!

Here's a great example:

If you happen to inject yourself with a steroid, and you inject a lot (whatever that means to you and your body), then your testosterone levels will rise. That's probably what you wanted to happen. But, when you get your blood test result back, your testosterone levels will be "out of range" or "high." Of course, you quickly ignore that because that's what you expected to happen!

So, when you see another marker that's "high," why do you care? Why is that marker "high" bad, but your testosterone "high" good? Well, because that's what you wanted to happen. So, when you're learning, learn what other markers will move and why they will move. And again, you can't rely on a doctor, because you're taking hormones! You, and only you, can determine what is "bad" or "good" for your body depending on what you're doing. If you don't want to do that, you probably shouldn't inject anything into your body.
 
Ogre said:
Lab Work/Blood Work notes:

1. You need this. There are a number of different companies that do it. Some are more expensive than others. If you cannot afford this, you cannot afford to be putting chemicals in your body. In fact, if you're going to refuse blood work, you probably shouldn't even ask any questions about situations because you can't tell what's going on in your own body.

2. You need this done before you start. Seriously, this has to be part of the research and preparation. You need that baseline to look at to determine what your body was doing before your started adding things to it. Without a baseline, presenting a number from a blood test is nearly worthless.

3. Especially once you start adding chemicals, "normal" numbers or "reference ranges" don't count! You ARE going to be outside those ranges because you're putting hormones in your body! If you want to stay in the normal ranges, you need to NOT inject substances into your body.

4. Research and learn. This is the most difficult part about blood tests and foreign substances. When you inject chemicals into your body, it's very complex functions will change. This will change results on these tests. You cannot simply go to a doctor and say that your XXX is high because they can't fix that. You have to learn what each of those markers means and why they change. You need to compare them to your baseline and understand when and how and why they will be different. There is no one that can help guide you here, you have to learn it on your own and how your body responds. Once you learn that a certain marker is not where you want it to be, then you can figure out how to make it move. Ask around what values others have that are using the same chemicals as you!

Here's a great example:

If you happen to inject yourself with a steroid, and you inject a lot (whatever that means to you and your body), then your testosterone levels will rise. That's probably what you wanted to happen. But, when you get your blood test result back, your testosterone levels will be "out of range" or "high." Of course, you quickly ignore that because that's what you expected to happen!

So, when you see another marker that's "high," why do you care? Why is that marker "high" bad, but your testosterone "high" good? Well, because that's what you wanted to happen. So, when you're learning, learn what other markers will move and why they will move. And again, you can't rely on a doctor, because you're taking hormones! You, and only you, can determine what is "bad" or "good" for your body depending on what you're doing. If you don't want to do that, you probably shouldn't inject anything into your body.
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Great Read..Thanks Brother..

I know this Thread..Borderline Spoon-Feeding..
I get that..!!

In just a few days..this thread has gotten some great responses..solid knowledge..Great insights..
Estrogen is the Biggest Problem..I've seen, over the years..
So..I'll PM a few more like DS..Matt88..and some way smarter guys than I..to lay down the Estrogen Bomb..lol
Z...
 
@zionoir626 asked be to post the links to some of my published and non published articles. I posted many of these under my old handle bigrobbie and many were published when I was still on staff at a couple other forums. Some deal with post cycle and some are steroid profiles. I hope some of you never guys get some good info and to you vets.....I hope you enjoy and feel free to comment , add your opinions. Let's be open to ask , discuss, debate and learn. Education resulting in harm reduction and a community hungry to support and learn from each other.....Here goes:

Newer gear users please read my article so you grasp that AAS use can effect your mental health....thisbis why cycle support and post cycle support and steps should be observed---

Anabolic Steroid use and depression

AAS use and depression I think sometimes how wise I am. People post steroid use questions on the discussion forums and others and myself wisely instruct them on the "do's and don't" of AAS use!
www.theironden.com www.theironden.com

If you are struggling emotionally on or after Cycle please reach out to me or staff here or someone you trust.
 
WHY TESTOSTERONE ONLY

The Most asked Question..kinda..top 5 for sure..

Anyway..
To see how You body Responds..
Period..that's It..
For Example:
Joe takes 300mgs of Test E
Dan takes 400mgs of Test E
Steve take 500mg of Test E

Everyone's labs results are everywhere..
Joe's Total Test is 1700
Dan is at 900
And poor Steve is 1400

With proper Bloodwork and Understanding Markers..
Cycle One..Test E 300mgs
Cycle Two..Test E 600mgs
Personally..I recommend 500 & 750...but that's because newer guys really bump up their Test on following Cycles..My observation Anyway..

This way Cycle 1 is a moderate doses..Cycle 2 is an elevated dose..
Studying Estrogen, Total and Free Test..
As well as elevated Markers..
All to compare to the "Baseline Bloodwork"

If you use more than Test..
Hard to evaluate just what is doing What..sides occur, what's causing them..Estrogen high/low,what's causing that..??
With Test Only..no question what causing What..
Also..add only one new compound per Cycle..removes the doubt if something goes sideways..

So..
Highly Recommend..
Test Only..I push for Two..
One Can Hope..
Z...
 
Here is a hormone Cheat sheet I posted for newer guys to get a grasp on some basics.

Hormone list

Here is a list of several hormones I thought many might enjoy reading about.This is about as basic as it gets (if a hormone can ever be refered to as "basic") I combined the hard work and expertise of others to put this hormone list together: Hormone Quick Reference Guide...
www.theironden.com
 
Cast..
That's a great point I totally overlooked..
Yet another reason you guys need to add..
Believe Me..I don't want to do this whole thing..
I feel like this is a great opportunity to Enlighten the New Guys to the Game..
Throw them some basic knowledge..that's really needed before pin One..

I think it will Benefit both New and Old Members..
Free up some post and a place where we can Refer guys to..to self educate..

I mean shit..wish I had thought of this yrs ago..lol
Z...
 
I can tomorrow if staff approves, I have published several steroid profiles and if there is an interest I'll be happy to post those links . Thanks to @zionoir626 onoir626 and @Arnold for coming up with this open information sharing thread to help our newer guys.
 

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