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Estrogen at 157 pg/ml with no sides

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Recently had bloods done and my estrogen came back at 157 pg/ml with ultra sensitive. Nips aren't sensitive, no gyno, not crying when I watch the SPCA commercial, not emotional, no sides at all.

My current cycle, pinning 3 times per week:
300 Test/C weekly
300 Mast/P weekly
200 Tren/E weekly
50 mg Anavar PW
A variety of supplements daily

Adding Anastrozole 1mg twice per week (To aggressive?)
Don't want to pin daily as my schedule is already super tight and also don't want to add EQ due to a genetic disposition for high RBC and Hematocrit. Even before hoping on gear I would need to donate regularly.

I'm 58 years old at 12% bf training 5 days per week. Diet is 90% locked in but love chocolate lol.
Getting bloods again in 30 days to see if Estrogen comes down or maybe that number was just an error.
Any thoughts or suggestions from people that aren't bro science experts would be appreciated.
 
Your e2 is that high off of 300mg test… damn bro.

Even with no sides I’d get that down to 80-90. Even with no sides you may not be building as much muscle as possible.

1mg 2x a week is a good start. If you start feeling bad try .5 3x a week

I feel the best around 80, everyone is different but I’d get that down to single digits my man
 
Syxen said:
Your e2 is that high off of 300mg test… damn bro.

Even with no sides I’d get that down to 80-90. Even with no sides you may not be building as much muscle as possible.

1mg 2x a week is a good start. If you start feeling bad try .5 3x a week

I feel the best around 80, everyone is different but I’d get that down to single digits my man
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He's 58 years old. That's a lot of test for a man his age. That's a good amount of test for anyone, period.

OP, what was your total test, and your free test?
 
Syxen said:
Your e2 is that high off of 300mg test… damn bro.

Even with no sides I’d get that down to 80-90. Even with no sides you may not be building as much muscle as possible.

1mg 2x a week is a good start. If you start feeling bad try .5 3x a week

I feel the best around 80, everyone is different but I’d get that down to single digits my man
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80 is good, 60+ is where I feel great too.👍
 
Of course I would get it down a bit, but if you're feeling good with zero sides and it's not impacting any other blood markers or gains then don't go crazy. Just get it down a bit. These "must be within this range or this number" is just a general guideline. Plenty of guys run better on slightly higher estrogen. Body is not a textbook.
 
Side effects are noticed after damage has already been done. Some long term data from smaller studies point to high E2 even high "normal E2 being bad for longevity.
I keep my E2 more in range. I tend to play a long game.
 
balin said:
Side effects are noticed after damage has already been done. Some long term data from smaller studies point to high E2 even high "normal E2 being bad for longevity.
I keep my E2 more in range. I tend to play a long game.
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Would love to see some of these studies. Being serious, not a wise ass. Having "high normal" estrogen is VERY common. If there is a correlation it might be an instance of hundreds of other factors not the estrogen. Correlation doesn't always imply correlation. You could say extremely low estrogen is just as bad if not worse. I've seen enough blood panels ufortuneately. :) Not trying to be arguementative or saying you're wrong. Just stating it's not as easy as that.
 
balin said:
Side effects are noticed after damage has already been done. Some long term data from smaller studies point to high E2 even high "normal E2 being bad for longevity.
I keep my E2 more in range. I tend to play a long game.
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Would definitely be interested in seeing this study. 👍

Having high estrogen, is not necessarily inherently more unhealthy than any other higher than normal hormone level, but rather having high hormone levels across the panel, that's where health risks will be.
No one's playing with hormones unscathed.

Testosterone, dht, or estrogen.

Pick your poison. 🤷‍♂️
 
bnasr said:
Recently had bloods done and my estrogen came back at 157 pg/ml with ultra sensitive. Nips aren't sensitive, no gyno, not crying when I watch the SPCA commercial, not emotional, no sides at all.

My current cycle, pinning 3 times per week:
300 Test/C weekly
300 Mast/P weekly
200 Tren/E weekly
50 mg Anavar PW
A variety of supplements daily

Adding Anastrozole 1mg twice per week (To aggressive?)
Don't want to pin daily as my schedule is already super tight and also don't want to add EQ due to a genetic disposition for high RBC and Hematocrit. Even before hoping on gear I would need to donate regularly.

I'm 58 years old at 12% bf training 5 days per week. Diet is 90% locked in but love chocolate lol.
Getting bloods again in 30 days to see if Estrogen comes down or maybe that number was just an error.
Any thoughts or suggestions from people that aren't bro science experts would be appreciated.
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My estrogen gets high like that also and I don’t get sides either. Im lean around 9%bf and this helps w sides. I got nervous and dosed the adex and then I was kinda miserable for a month. Low estrogen sucks for me though some guys like it.

I take a similar amount of test and mast, a little more actually and I’m done caring about my estrogen. My test and free test is really high, so I’m like fuck it, it’s a ratio.
 
Meetketchup said:
Would love to see some of these studies. Being serious, not a wise ass. Having "high normal" estrogen is VERY common. If there is a correlation it might be an instance of hundreds of other factors not the estrogen. Correlation doesn't always imply correlation. You could say extremely low estrogen is just as bad if not worse. I've seen enough blood panels ufortuneately. :) Not trying to be arguementative or saying you're wrong. Just stating it's not as easy as that.
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The studies were with older guys that had heart issues. And those with moderate levels later in life tended to have less heart disease. High and low levels were less healthy. One i saw years ago showed even nigh normal levels i think over 35 tended to show risks increasing. Which does not mean that the E2 caused it. Could just be a coincidence. Or could have been caused later in life from the heart issues. But they are the only studies i have found that corelated E2 and long term health.

Do you have any studies showing what levels over ones life time tend to be best for E2? I am always interested in learning.

I just go with the best data i can find and sometimes when it comes to long term health the data isn't great but it is the best i have to go by

 
Found these in my folders as well
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Critical role of estrogen in the progression of chronic liver diseases - PubMed

Several studies reported the protective role of estrogens in chronic liver diseases and this has been widely accepted and confirmed in experimental studies using ovariectomized rat models. However, in a few clinical studies, increased estrogen levels are also implicated in chronic liver...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Research showed during the whole scamdemic woman were more protected due to estrogen. Having low estrogen causes serious issues in men
 
At 61 I have the complete opposite. I want to run Test/Primo/Mast but last time I did E2 was 13.5. Once it got down to 3.5, but I was on 800mg/week of Mast (Thought I was on 500 Primo 300 Mast. Primo was fake)
 
I prefer my estrogen high. I used to take AI religiously then after some research I decided to stop taking one all together and it’s been the best decision ever.
Sex drive is where is should be I can actually climax and ejaculate which was always an issue taking a ai even if my number on paper were in range.
Also any acne issues etc I would get also went away. Been on 500mg no AI and feel and doing great. Not sure the exact number currently and honestly don’t care. I know this may be an unpopular opinion but it’s what works for me and after the research I’ve done I am content.
That being said I haven’t gone above 500 so when I do if I start running into issues I may reevaluate. But for now and up to 500mg it’s been great!
 
bnasr said:
Recently had bloods done and my estrogen came back at 157 pg/ml with ultra sensitive. Nips aren't sensitive, no gyno, not crying when I watch the SPCA commercial, not emotional, no sides at all.
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Then fuck it, you're good to go... carry on, sir. 🖖
 
GainTrain said:
I prefer my estrogen high. I used to take AI religiously then after some research I decided to stop taking one all together and it’s been the best decision ever.
Sex drive is where is should be I can actually climax and ejaculate which was always an issue taking a ai even if my number on paper were in range.
Also any acne issues etc I would get also went away. Been on 500mg no AI and feel and doing great. Not sure the exact number currently and honestly don’t care. I know this may be an unpopular opinion but it’s what works for me and after the research I’ve done I am content.
That being said I haven’t gone above 500 so when I do if I start running into issues I may reevaluate. But for now and up to 500mg it’s been great!
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Very nice.
 
Medication I was taking 6 months ago made my nipples real sensitive, I told my doctor and he said it was a side effect , my nipples hurt with the slightest touch, even putting on a shirt, I got off that right away
 
I can go as high as 90 and I have fairly benign sides.

Little acne, super minimal, and a little bit of a cry baby is all.

I'm kinda a cry baby to begin with.
 
GainTrain said:
I prefer my estrogen high. I used to take AI religiously then after some research I decided to stop taking one all together and it’s been the best decision ever.
Sex drive is where is should be I can actually climax and ejaculate which was always an issue taking a ai even if my number on paper were in range.
Also any acne issues etc I would get also went away. Been on 500mg no AI and feel and doing great. Not sure the exact number currently and honestly don’t care. I know this may be an unpopular opinion but it’s what works for me and after the research I’ve done I am content.
That being said I haven’t gone above 500 so when I do if I start running into issues I may reevaluate. But for now and up to 500mg it’s been great!
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Similarly, I was running 300mg/week test and had 123 pg/mL on the ultra sensitive, no sides. Felt great, everything firing fine. As we age, estrogen is cardio protective, helps libido, sleep, and a bunch of other stuff. I think the difference is being lean and a lifter. If there are no sides, then I don't see it as a big issue when in shape.
 
Whon068 said:
Similarly, I was running 300mg/week test and had 123 pg/mL on the ultra sensitive, no sides. Felt great, everything firing fine. As we age, estrogen is cardio protective, helps libido, sleep, and a bunch of other stuff. I think the difference is being lean and a lifter. If there are no sides, then I don't see it as a big issue when in shape.
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