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Can a wet cycle be used to cut without losing gains?

jiffysound

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I have planned my fourth cycle for the summertime of 2024 , it consists of the following pharmaceuticals : Omnadren 250, Deca Durabolin, Equipoise. I will not be running any orals this cycle to kickstart it. The regimen is as follows :
1 - 20 weeks of Omnadren 250mg/EOD
1 - 20 weeks of Deca Durabolin 250mg/EOD
1 - 20 weeks of Equipoise 250mg/EOD
1 - 22 weeks of Aromasin 25mg/EOD
1 - 20 weeks of HGH 6iu/ED

Can I use such a cycle with a calorie deficit / -500 calories per day and still make lean muscle gains, I mean it's all about the diet, the in and out is what matters. Should I substitute any of the following agents for some other steroids, if so please specify. I am currently running a cycle which consists of test prop, Equipoise, DMT which is my second and my third is planned for Jan 2024 a cutting cycle which consists of test prop, Masteron Prop, DMT, winny. After my fourth cycle I am taking a break for around 4-5 months to recuperate my body. Will just do TRT which will consist of 250mg/week of test e and Deca 100mg/week for my joints which by then will need the extra support deca provides.
 
Startingover said:
Damm jiffy!
Seems like 3rd 1 ya planned..
Lol
I'd focus on making tje best out of what ya got going on at the moment..
Like when I go to a buffet!
I'm always thu king bout my next plate..
Not enjoying what's in front of me...
Lol
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I always prepare ahead of time, sometimes months in advance, years even, I like to be prepared. By the time I get to my fourth cycle next year summer I will have edited it quite a bit and be ready to go. I do enjoy what's in front of me, I post updates on my current cycle in my threads from time to time :) Right now I am focused on gaining lean mass mostly and keeping my body fat @ 10% or under. For my third cycle I am to gain some more lean mass and keep on going with 10% body fat. For the fourth I was hoping to get some ideas,, to bounce them off you guys who have experience so I can prepare myself and have a direct plan. Plus I have an agreement with my guy who provides me with steroids that if I want a particular item say summer of 2024, to tell him 6 months ahead of time so he can be prepared, he doesn't sell high volume, just to friends and acquaintances.
 
I mean sure you can cut on any cycle, just not sure there is really a point to using things like deca/eq in a deficit to be completely honest. It takes longer than you think to lose any tissue with anabolics in the mix, with that being said. I would swap out EQ for a DHT derivative like Primo or Masteron and then tren instead of deca.
 
Broserker said:
I mean sure you can cut on any cycle, just not sure there is really a point to using things like deca/eq in a deficit to be completely honest. It takes longer than you think to lose any tissue with anabolics in the mix, with that being said. I would swap out EQ for a DHT derivative like Primo or Masteron and then tren instead of deca.
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I have one tren e 200mg/week cycle under my belt so I know what to expect from it. So lets try it your way:
1-20 weeks Omnadren 250mg/EOD
1-20 weeks Primobolan 300mg/EOD
1-20 weeks Trenbolone Enanthate 125mg/EOD
You see guys, we can do it together and come up with an excellent cycle which will gave good results. But tren during the summer, good thing the office where I work has AC and I have central air in my flat so I will keep it at around 63 F not to overheat.
 
jiffysound said:
I have one tren e 200mg/week cycle under my belt so I know what to expect from it. So lets try it your way:
1-20 weeks Omnadren 250mg/EOD
1-20 weeks Primobolan 300mg/EOD
1-20 weeks Trenbolone Enanthate 125mg/EOD
You see guys, we can do it together and come up with an excellent cycle which will gave good results. But tren during the summer, good thing the office where I work has AC and I have central air in my flat so I will keep it at around 63 F not to overheat.
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Also maybe consider running Tren Hex, guys seems to suffer less from the typical tren sides. But yeah brother, that looks good and you will deal with a lot less water retention than the initial cycle. Whenever I am in a deficit there has to be DHT in the mix, keeps the water at bay and the mental benefits are the best as far as AAS go.
 
I would become familiar with all these compounds before jumping in at such high doses. In most cases you won’t need that much gear to advance and reach your goals. Experience with the compounds prior to running such high eod doses will be a smart way to gain experience and prevent potent severe negative effects and health issues.

Be careful bro and slow down a bit. This game is not a sprint, it’s a marathon.
 
Broserker said:
Also maybe consider running Tren Hex, guys seems to suffer less from the typical tren sides. But yeah brother, that looks good and you will deal with a lot less water retention than the initial cycle. Whenever I am in a deficit there has to be DHT in the mix, keeps the water at bay and the mental benefits are the best as far as AAS go.
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I have actually read a lot about tren hex vs tren enan and the benefits of one over the other. The dosing should be the same right? 125mg/EOD on tren hex ? Also I can always lower the dosages , that isn't a problem, this is just the initial dosage I am recommending, but please correct me if I am wrong, I appreciate it.
 
jiffysound said:
I always prepare ahead of time, sometimes months in advance, years even, I like to be prepared. By the time I get to my fourth cycle next year summer I will have edited it quite a bit and be ready to go. I do enjoy what's in front of me, I post updates on my current cycle in my threads from time to time :) Right now I am focused on gaining lean mass mostly and keeping my body fat @ 10% or under. For my third cycle I am to gain some more lean mass and keep on going with 10% body fat. For the fourth I was hoping to get some ideas,, to bounce them off you guys who have experience so I can prepare myself and have a direct plan. Plus I have an agreement with my guy who provides me with steroids that if I want a particular item say summer of 2024, to tell him 6 months ahead of time so he can be prepared, he doesn't sell high volume, just to friends and acquaintances.
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Glad you have sense of humor pal...
Just cutting it up a lil..
But I really do that at the buffet jif..
Lmbo
 
jiffysound said:
I have actually read a lot about tren hex vs tren enan and the benefits of one over the other. The dosing should be the same right? 125mg/EOD on tren hex ? Also I can always lower the dosages , that isn't a problem, this is just the initial dosage I am recommending, but please correct me if I am wrong, I appreciate it.
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Unless you are competing Tren should be run in the 200-300 mg range weekly imo. I would try something like 500 test, 600 primo, 250 tren weekly to start.
 
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My friend just my opinion and from my experience only. Not telling you what to do just sharing. IMO the cycle is too long, the combinations don't match and way too much gear. I step on stage three times a year and don't take anything near that and in single digit body fat. The gear is just a supplement which I am sure you know already. The diet, training and rest will determine the majority of your success. I beat guys taking 4 times the stuff I take. Just my opinon.

12 weeks of cut is plenty

300 mg test per week
300 mg mast
300 mg of tren A
Anavar the first four weeks.
I have done over 50 shows for the last three decades and I never exceed 300mg per week. Recovery and what you are doing to your organs is extremely important. At 58 years old no blood pressure, cholestrol, or any other issues because I never over did it. Anyway your body your choice my friend.

If you can't shred with this, your diet or workout needs adjustment.

Best of luck to you.
 
Wiseguy said:
My friend just my opinion and from my experience only. Not telling you what to do just sharing. IMO the cycle is too long, the combinations don't match and way too much gear. I step on stage three times a year and don't take anything near that and in single digit body fat. The gear is just a supplement which I am sure you know already. The diet, training and rest will determine the majority of your success. I beat guys taking 4 times the stuff I take. Just my opinon.

12 weeks of cut is plenty

300 mg test per week
300 mg mast
300 mg of tren A
Anavar the first four weeks.
I have done over 50 shows for the last three decades and I never exceed 300mg per week. Recovery and what you are doing to your organs is extremely important. At 58 years old no blood pressure, cholestrol, or any other issues because I never over did it. Anyway your body your choice my friend.

If you can't shred with this, your diet or workout needs adjustment.

Best of luck to you.
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This man knows his stuff. As we said, ultimately what you decide to do is your body and your choice, but typically the heavy anabolic loads aren't needed. I hang out at 250-260 most of the year and I still haven't even touched 500 mg test weekly myself, this offseason will be the first time doing so. My cycles have all roughly been 800mg-1g total anabolic load on the week.
 
Wiseguy said:
Just took this picture this morning. Two month ago was my last show and I’ve been on 200mg of test since than.

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You have very well developed deltoid heads, it's impressive. What are your stats if you don't mind me asking ? Height and weight and waist size in American sizes please, I can't stand the European sizes, they confuse me. Is that an apple watch I am seeing ? I have one of those, it's why I ask, it can monitor my health in a variety of ways. I am a TRT patient since 2009 and take 250mg/week of test E split into Monday and Thursday. It seems to be the right dosage for me according to my bloodwork. I am currently on my second cycle, have gained about 3.5 kilograms total in the last 3 weeks.
 
I am 58 years old, 5’10 and 190 pounds. Waist is 30 and show time 29. Yes it is Apple Watch.
No need to complicate cycles. Never touched hGH in my life, kept all doses low and never had an injury, torn ligaments or anything. Frank Zane was my idol. At 185 pounds he won my Olympia 3 times. Diet, cardio, workout, rest and at the end the gear. You put the gear in front of that order you will be disappointed my friend.

Also you need to learn extensively about these compounds and understand their role and how they work in conjunction with other gear. Can’t just thrown them in a miss match.
 
One more thing my friend. You are on your second cycle and focusing on a fourth? Focus on what you are doing. Finish your cycle and make sure you hit your goal and during the 12 weeks that you are off plan the next. Haven’t even finished cycle two.
 
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You might find this post helpful. Anyway best of luck to you friend and be safe. It takes time be patient.

How I plan a cycle

How do you know if there's a problem if you don't have a bloodwork to prove it? Do you wait until you have a heart attack before going to check? how do you do with AI if you don't know what your estrogen value is? all great points, but spending $50 worth of bloodwork in between does more good...
www.anabolicsteroidforums.com www.anabolicsteroidforums.com
 
Wiseguy said:
One more thing my friend. You are on your second cycle and focusing on a fourth? Focus on what you are doing. Finish your cycle and make sure you hit your goal and during the 12 weeks that you are off plan the next. Haven’t even finished cycle two.
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What can I say, I am inpatient but I do love the planning aspect of future cycles, it's sort of a hobby. I am focused on my current cycle with diet and plenty of sleep; I get around 9 hours of sleep every night with the exception of 15 minutes when I wake up during the night to eat meal #7, sometime around 3am~ish. Also I visited that thread a while back * How I plan a cycle**
 
It is so hard to keep up with you. I have seen so many post from you that its impossible to know what you are currently running. Yes planning ahead is great. But i would totally focus on what you have going currently. And keeping a close eye on the blood markers. At some point the body will need a break. Focus on those gains. Honestly how will you keep track of advice given a year ahead in advance.
 
Deeman said:
It is so hard to keep up with you. I have seen so many post from you that its impossible to know what you are currently running. Yes planning ahead is great. But i would totally focus on what you have going currently. And keeping a close eye on the blood markers. At some point the body will need a break. Focus on those gains. Honestly how will you keep track of advice given a year ahead in advance.
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Point taken, I guess I got a little too ahead for you guys to keep up, my bad, it's easy for me when I have the spreadsheet in front of me with all my bloodwork, cycles, trt info, lifting info and so on, but in the threads I post it's only bits and pieces of the overall picture, so once again I apologize and I will try to keep it in sync with what I am doing currently, not a year from now. It's a bit late to start an unofficial log now that I entered week 3 of my second cycle, but I will be doing a log for my third, that's for sure. Plus you are also right, the info I get today, I might forget down the line and that would be a waste of everyones time that added to it. So let's focus on the present. Once the time comes around for 3rd cycle I will start posting 3rd cycle related threads, until then I will take a seat back and relax.
 
It’s all good man, we just preach health first around here. Just take it slow and enjoy the ride. Throw the food back and lift heavy weights, the results will come a whole lot faster than you think.
 
Broserker said:
It’s all good man, we just preach health first around here. Just take it slow and enjoy the ride. Throw the food back and lift heavy weights, the results will come a whole lot faster than you think.
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Oh I know, I was natural for a long time, I started lifting weights when I turned 18, took a break in 2009-2013 due to a car accident and then I started on TRT in 2009. From 2013 I have been lifting again and slowly gaining lean muscle, but nowhere as fast as the first and now second cycle.
 
Broserker said:
It’s all good man, we just preach health first around here. Just take it slow and enjoy the ride. Throw the food back and lift heavy weights, the results will come a whole lot faster than you think.
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Agreed. Health is main thing. And enjoy the ride.
 
Broserker said:
To add on further, this picture was taken at a point where my largest cycle was 350 test / 400 mast / 50 anavar. 6’0 265ish roughly in this photo.
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You should hit back once in a while… Jesus fucking Christ.. lol!!
 
302jrob said:
You should hit back once in a while… Jesus fucking Christ.. lol!!
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I'm a firm believer that having a massive back will win you more shows than anything, especially in classic. I'm always hammering that shit haha
 

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