Are seed oils safe for consumption?

[Battousai]

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[Boykinben82]

I have no idea haha. I only cook with avocado oil now but I do add a Table spoon of olive oil to my shakes. I’ve only ever injected seed oil as far as I know.

 

[Meetketchup]

This has been studied and beaten to death. Almost every meta-analysis (human random controlled) has shown they are safe within the body. Switching from using them to not and vice versa has zero effect in blood blood work as well. It's a narrative that people hear and run with, mostly put out by carnivore community as a response/defense to saturated fats.

When someone screams seed oil are toxic ask them what occurs chemically in the body and the pathway in which it occurs to make them so. Also, acute changes are NOT the same chronic.

 

[Battousai]

This has been studied and beaten to death. Almost every meta-analysis (human random controlled) has shown they are safe within the body. Switching from using them to not and vice versa has zero effect in blood blood work as well. It's a narrative that people hear and run with, mostly put out by carnivore community as a response/defense to saturated fats.

When someone screams seed oil are toxic ask them what occurs chemically in the body and the pathway in which it occurs to make them so. Also, acute changes are NOT the same chronic.

What do you think about frying foods at extreme temperatures?

 

[Meetketchup]

What do you think about frying foods at extreme temperatures?

AGE's may cause temporary inflammation in people with arthritis and other issues just by consuming meat alone. It "may" increase the chances/degree of inflammation if fried at high temperatures, but it's very spotty data. Shouldn't be eating fried foods anyway.

I could nerd out on this shit all day. lol

 

[Sirchon]

What do you think about frying foods at extreme temperatures?

Yeah, that was my comment. The oils are not really the issue, but the temperature and oils going rancid.

 

[Battousai]

AGE's may cause temporary inflammation in people with arthritis and other issues just by consuming meat alone. It "may" increase the chances/degree of inflammation if fried at high temperatures, but it's very spotty data. Shouldn't be eating fried foods anyway.

I could nerd out on this shit all day. lol

Yes that's the main problem I get with fried foods. Leaky gut and inflammation. I wonder if there is any arterial damage being done by eating highly heated oils though.

 

[Meetketchup]

Yes that's the main problem I get with fried foods. Leaky gut and inflammation. I wonder if there is any arterial damage being done by eating highly heated oils though.

Not sure that would be an arterial issue, but more an intestinal worry. I'm certainly not a gut expert so I couldn't say.

 

[Battousai]

Yeah, that was my comment. The oils are not really the issue, but the temperature and oils going rancid.

Not sure that would be an arterial issue, but more an intestinal worry. I'm certainly not a gut expert so I couldn't say.

Yes I do agree that the process does makes a difference in the end. Don't think anyone has a problem with a cold pressed walnut oil on your salad, maybe except carnivores lol.

Another interesting seed oil is cottonseed oil. It was used as an engine lubricant. Interestingly enough, gmo cottonseed oil is actually SAFER than non-gmo cottonseed oil because non-gmo cottonseed oil contains extremely high levels of gossypol, which has been linked to infertility problems in both males and females, circulation problems, heart failure, issues with various organ functions. The only reason gmo cottonseed oil was made was to remove the gossypol from the seed making it safe for human consumption.

 

[GivePenisaChance22]

Yes that's the main problem I get with fried foods. Leaky gut and inflammation. I wonder if there is any arterial damage being done by eating highly heated oils though.

From my understanding, when you heat up oils beyond their smoke point, they start to release toxic compounds which can lead to damage to the arteries in the form of inflammation, free radicals, imbalance in LDL/HDL etc.

 

[Meetketchup]

From my understanding, when you heat up oils beyond their smoke point, they start to release toxic compounds which can lead to damage to the arteries in the form of inflammation, free radicals, imbalance in LDL/HDL etc.

And what would those toxic compounds be? And where can I find the damage to arteries and imbalances to cholesterol.

What's funny is saturated fats contribute to the above.

 

[GivePenisaChance22]

And what would those toxic compounds be? And where can I find the damage to arteries and imbalances to cholesterol.

What's funny is saturated fats contribute to the above.

According to Google's AI, cooking seed oils at high temperature beyond smoke point can produce acrolein, aldehydes, trans fats, Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons, and oxidized lipid products. Our AI masters have spoken

 

[rawbuilt]

everything i seen on it seems to depend on the amount.. small amounts of it is ok but too much and thats when problems start

i just avoid it and use avocado oil when cooking

 

[StellarLabs]

A little birdie told me cottonseed oil is the absolute worst

 

[MidWest]

This issue lies in the manufacturing/extraction process. Nearly all vegetable and seed oils undergo chemical treatments and high oxidation during manufacturing. They are heated to high temperatures, which oxidizes the unsaturated fatty acids, creating free radicals which are harmful.

Chemical solvents like hexane are commonly used to extract oil from seeds. Oils are refined, bleached, and deodorized using chemicals to remove impurities and neutralize odors. These processes results in the formation of trans fats and even further oxidation.

These processes significantly alter the natural state of the oils.

It’s all about the processing. This why there is a constant push for organic cold pressed olive and avacado oil etc.

It really isn’t complicated to understand.


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[Meetketchup]

According to Google's AI, cooking seed oils at high temperature beyond smoke point can produce acrolein, aldehydes, trans fats, Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons, and oxidized lipid products. Our AI masters have spoken

I would suggest reading the studies as opposed to Google.

 

[Meetketchup]

These processes significantly alter the natural state of the oils.

The point is the final product has shown no toxicity within the body.

 

[Astro95]

The point is the final product has shown no toxicity within the body.

So non gmo cotton seed oil gear is gtg

 

[ruffus]

As most seed oils are high in omega 6's for one thing which can cause inflammation. And inflammation tends to be be less then healthy long term. and Americans have a high ratio of omega 6's in their diet. Choosing a different oil seems a good choice to me. Like most things it is not like there is an on/off switch with toxicity where something is good or bad, but more of a sliding scale of toxicity with how it is used and how much taken in, in conjunction with other things that are ingested that are less then optimal.

Seed Oils: Are They Truly Toxic?

Have you heard the claim that seed oils are “toxic”? A registered dietitian explains what they are, what they can do to your body, and whether you need to cut them out forever or just focus on a healthy, balanced diet. (Hint: It’s the latter.)

health.clevelandclinic.org

 

[domestic-supply]

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ZPHC Tren in cotton seed oil is really good.

 

[rawbuilt]

So non gmo cotton seed oil gear is gtg

tbh last time i used gear with cottonseed oil i got the most crippling pip of my life

now im strictly mct only

 

[MidWest]

The point is the final product has shown no toxicity within the body.

Oh I see. And where did you get that information from? Oh that’s right, the same entities that told us to drop saturated fat for the the highly processed oils. What an absolutely absurd statement.


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[Meetketchup]

Oh I see. And where did you get that information from? Oh that’s right, the same entities that told us to drop saturated fat for the the highly processed oils. What an absolutely absurd statement.


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Is that supposed to be an argument? If the "same entities" are numbers of meta-analysis' than guilty as charged. lol

How about you provide some evidence on why it's absurd and I'm all ears.

 

[MidWest]

Is that supposed to be an argument? If the "same entities" are numbers of meta-analysis' than guilty as charged. lol

How about you provide some evidence on why it's absurd and I'm all ears.

If you don’t understand the problem with meta-analysis from epidemiology data then there isn’t much of an argument to be had.


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[Fletcher]

If you like industrial lubricants that are converted to "edible" via hexane and other carcinogenic chems in order to increase profit margins, over using real food

 

[Fletcher]

Finding a study that wasn't funded 1st, 2nd, or 3rd hand by someone who isn't selling the shit or getting paid to say its ok, good luck...
This topic is another FAFO situation.

 

[Fletcher]

Its not the seeds or their properties themselves, its the processing.

 

[HAAM]

I try to keep it simple. If the oil doesn’t come from something naturally fatty don’t eat it. Olive, coconut, avocado etc. ok! Corn? Soy? Canola? Chemically converted vs pressed. No thanks.

 

[Syntha Claus]

Safe? Probably. Certainly not the worst thing you can consume.
Preferrable? Not for me. My attitude is to tip the balance of my consumption more in favor of things known to be good or at the least, not suspect in causing problems.

I do believe that using oils with low smoke points means faster degredation and oxidation, which we know causes free radical damages withing our body.
I commonly speak with people who talk all about mono, poly and saturated fats, yet rately, if ever, do I find they understand the term “saturation” or anything about hydrogen atoms.

In today’s world of the internet, it is easy to see what is good and what might be bad. If one can afford it, eating only good things is a simplifying option.
But at the same time I am seeing that kale is bad for you because of spikes or something.
Recently saw Rhonda Patrick saying adding bananas to smoothies stops the polyphenols in blueberries, rendering them useless. You can’t win.

 

[tommygunz]

I’ll stick to rendered hog fat and beef tallow cause that’s how you get the tasty chicken nuggets.

My god.