50yo Needs perspectives on Cycle

[Mojo_rizing]

Hey everyone,

I'm a 50yo and getting back into training after years of inconsistency. I'm aiming for a sustainable boost in muscle, mood and mental performance, not just a quick blast. I've learned from past mistakes of overtraining it and getting injured, so I'm trying to be somewhat smarter this time.
Here's my current setup started in July (6 weeks to go/ 12 in total):
· Sustanon (250mg E6D since the 3rd shot, currently on 5th)
· Proviron (25mg ED),
•Arimidex (0.5mg E3D. Started on 1mg because of high sensitivity and tapered down)
· I plan to add Anavar (30mg/ED for 4 weeks) soon.
My latest bloodwork shows the following:
· Free test at 840 pg/nl
• Total Test at 25 ng/mL.
· E2 is at 65.55 pg/mL (i use nipple sensitivity for monitoring)
· Prolactin is elevated at 17.11 ng/mL. (What to do?)

· The Worry: My cholesterol has always been tricky (HDL drops, LDL rises), and the cycle is affecting it. I'm very conscious of the extra hit Anavar will bring. Most recent tests at mid cycle are attached

I'd really aappreciateall feedback, especially on;
1. E2 & Prolactin: Hows my current Arimidex dose?
2. Would increasing Proviron to 50mg/ED be a good move in general and to help free up more Test?
3. Does the high prolactin need direct attention now/when? How?
4. What about adding Anavar, for my lipids and liver.
I have just sourced NAC. What's the ideal protocol for liver and lipid support? Any other must-haves? (Where i live not everything is readily available)
5. Overall Approach: Does this plan seem sound for my age and goals? Any red flags you see?
Trying to make informed decisions for the long term.
Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer.

 

[Meetketchup]

No need for Anavar. (Cholesterol)

Could bump Arimidex just a tad to get E2 around 40-50 area

Pin test ED or EOD for E2 and prolactin reduction.

That may bring down prolactin a bit, but cabergoline would be an option.

You don't need NAC unless taking an oral which at 50 you shouldn't be for your goals.

 

[Wardamn]

Pin more frequently.

Get your estrogen down. In turn that should bring your prolactin down.

Add in HGH instead of anavar. Much healthier and more beneficial in the long run.

 

[Glycomann]

Hey everyone,

I'm a 50yo and getting back into training after years of inconsistency. I'm aiming for a sustainable boost in muscle, mood and mental performance, not just a quick blast. I've learned from past mistakes of overtraining it and getting injured, so I'm trying to be somewhat smarter this time.
Here's my current setup started in July (6 weeks to go/ 12 in total):
· Sustanon (250mg E6D since the 3rd shot, currently on 5th)
· Proviron (25mg ED),
•Arimidex (0.5mg E3D. Started on 1mg because of high sensitivity and tapered down)
· I plan to add Anavar (30mg/ED for 4 weeks) soon.
My latest bloodwork shows the following:
· Free test at 840 pg/nl
• Total Test at 25 ng/mL.
· E2 is at 65.55 pg/mL (i use nipple sensitivity for monitoring)
· Prolactin is elevated at 17.11 ng/mL. (What to do?)

· The Worry: My cholesterol has always been tricky (HDL drops, LDL rises), and the cycle is affecting it. I'm very conscious of the extra hit Anavar will bring. Most recent tests at mid cycle are attached

I'd really aappreciateall feedback, especially on;
1. E2 & Prolactin: Hows my current Arimidex dose?
2. Would increasing Proviron to 50mg/ED be a good move in general and to help free up more Test?
3. Does the high prolactin need direct attention now/when? How?
4. What about adding Anavar, for my lipids and liver.
I have just sourced NAC. What's the ideal protocol for liver and lipid support? Any other must-haves? (Where i live not everything is readily available)
5. Overall Approach: Does this plan seem sound for my age and goals? Any red flags you see?
Trying to make informed decisions for the long term.
Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer.

You are just getting back into training. How do you feel? If you feel great and making progress you're probably in a good place. Serum prolactin measurements are almost useless. If you are having no issues I wouldn't touch it. Adding a dopamine agonist like Caber can do more damage than good over time. To me you are in a good place as long as you feel well and making progress. Dial in your training and nutrition and that's probably going to give you more than adding this and that now. If in another 4-6 weeks you have hings dialed and you want a little push, I don't see and issue with anavar for 6 weeks. Then drop back down to TRT and regroup. Keep in mind that your foot on the gas all the time will lead to burn out. Best to cycle in and out of these things and as we age probably best to stay in the healthy range more than not.

 

[Mojo_rizing]

Thanks a lot for the inputs.

I feel amazing actually. Haven't felt this good in years. Switched on, no brain fog, The training is amazing and have been very productive. Especially with all the stress ive been carrying around. Im from a very turbulent part of the world.

I had some nasty Dips since the start of the cycle as I was getting familiar frequency.
I dont like the pinning process much, hence, im more comfortable with sustanon E6D.
I figured by the time I finish this cycle and move onto cruising I'll be ready for trt pinning.
Having said that i am willing to do what's best, even if it means more frequent pins.

For goals, aside from longterm and sustainable results, I had never achieved a lean and hard look and I was hoping I would get there with introducing Anavar the last weeks of the cycle and be set for the cruise.
But then there is the cholesterol, and was wondering if I take a supplement to keep it contained.
And then there is gyno which freaked me out for a bit but I guess I can increase the arimidex gradually and see.
As for HGH, I have to learn more about it and see what I can find on my side of the world if i decide to go that path.

I really appreciate the time guys.

I thoughtbi had attached the blood work earlier. Here it is again for reference. Wa done a week ago the day after my 4th sustanon shot.

 

[Glycomann]

Thanks a lot for the inputs.

I feel amazing actually. Haven't felt this good in years. Switched on, no brain fog, The training is amazing and have been very productive. Especially with all the stress ive been carrying around. Im from a very turbulent part of the world.

I had some nasty Dips since the start of the cycle as I was getting familiar frequency.
I dont like the pinning process much, hence, im more comfortable with sustanon E6D.
I figured by the time I finish this cycle and move onto cruising I'll be ready for trt pinning.
Having said that i am willing to do what's best, even if it means more frequent pins.

For goals, aside from longterm and sustainable results, I had never achieved a lean and hard look and I was hoping I would get there with introducing Anavar the last weeks of the cycle and be set for the cruise.
But then there is the cholesterol, and was wondering if I take a supplement to keep it contained.
And then there is gyno which freaked me out for a bit but I guess I can increase the arimidex gradually and see.
As for HGH, I have to learn more about it and see what I can find on my side of the world if i decide to go that path.

I really appreciate the time guys.

I thoughtbi had attached the blood work earlier. Here it is again for reference. Wa done a week ago the day after my 4th sustanon shot.

I missed that your part of the world uses different units for total test. If it were me when going back to TRT I would 1/2 the current dose. Otherwise, seems like you are doing pretty well. The blood lipids can likely be corrected with diet. I would clean it up, drop some of the carbs and up the protein an equal amount. Also, arimidex will drop your HDL and can scew your lipids overall. So there is that. I don't know what your body fat is but getting that down may releive the need for any AI because you will aromatize less, and the leaner you are the less you will aromatize.

 

[Mojo_rizing]

I missed that your part of the world uses different units for total test. If it were me when going back to TRT I would 1/2 the current dose. Otherwise, seems like you are doing pretty well. The blood lipids can likely be corrected with diet. I would clean it up, drop some of the carbs and up the protein an equal amount. Also, arimidex will drop your HDL and can scew your lipids overall. So there is that. I don't know what your body fat is but getting that down may releive the need for any AI because you will aromatize less, and the leaner you are the less you will aromatize.

Awesome. Yeah my bad i should have said im in the middle east. We use metric. I got this inbody test done a couple of days ago.

 

[Mojo_rizing]

Pin more frequently.

Get your estrogen down. In turn that should bring your prolactin down.

Add in HGH instead of anavar. Much healthier and more beneficial in the long run.

Can you please tell more about why HGH can be a better alternative?
Would it be added to the current stack?
How to determine the dosage?
How would it affect liver and lipids?

I've started the research and scouting for nearby sources and your input can help. Cheers.

 

[WED]

Can you please tell more about why HGH can be a better alternative?
Would it be added to the current stack?
How to determine the dosage?
How would it affect liver and lipids?

I've started the research and scouting for nearby sources and your input can help. Cheers.

HGH does everything good with no side effects. Start at 2 and move up to 4ius. Just a bit expensive. Don't cycle it, just keep it going daily

 

[Mojo_rizing]

Thank you.
I found this locally, they have a lot of products under this brand.
Waiting to know the price.

HGH does everything good with no side effects. Start at 2 and move up to 4ius. Just a bit expensive. Don't cycle it, just keep it going daily

 

[Mojo_rizing]

An update.
I did a new bloodwork a couple of days ago and my ldl and total cholesterol are up. Metric; LDL 187, TC 243. Everything else relevant was normal.

So i decided NOT to take the anavar now.
Instead, after extensive research, I decided to start HGH, its the generic kind I posted in my last message. I have taken 2 doses of 2 IU at 10pm.

I know it may be too soon to judge but I felt muscles tightening up in sleep and this morning some water retention.
Did a back workout felt pumped and amazing!
I am hoping this is not a placebo effect but actually proves that the GH is legit and good quality.
I am currently on week 8 if my cycle 250mg sustanon E5D and 25mg proviron ED, .25 arimidex E3D.
My plan was to do 12 weeks and cruise on trt.
Wondering if I want to extend my cycle to16 weeks?
For more muscle gains and fat loss. But also worrying about cholesterol.

Any thoughts? On what i need to look out for over the next days?

Cheers.

 

[Bolan]

GH hasn't started working yet... Only 2 shots in on 2ius.
HGH is a long term investment. The longer you can run it the better.
Wait until the 4 week mark or so for visible changes from the HGH.

 

[AR-15]

Pin more frequently.

Get your estrogen down. In turn that should bring your prolactin down.

Add in HGH instead of anavar. Much healthier and more beneficial in the long run.

That’s pretty good advice imo on adding the HGH over Var considering his age and goals.
I’m younger but just going off my own personal experience with using HGH and the benefits I received from it I hopefully will be using it daily when I’m 50 as well.
HGH is good stuff. I like it a lot. I almost like it as much as Test.
That’s all based on me using shitty underdosed HGH too. I can’t wait to find a good source and actually get to use good stuff for a few months.

 

[JB4976]

An update.
I did a new bloodwork a couple of days ago and my ldl and total cholesterol are up. Metric; LDL 187, TC 243. Everything else relevant was normal.

So i decided NOT to take the anavar now.
Instead, after extensive research, I decided to start HGH, its the generic kind I posted in my last message. I have taken 2 doses of 2 IU at 10pm.

I know it may be too soon to judge but I felt muscles tightening up in sleep and this morning some water retention.
Did a back workout felt pumped and amazing!
I am hoping this is not a placebo effect but actually proves that the GH is legit and good quality.
I am currently on week 8 if my cycle 250mg sustanon E5D and 25mg proviron ED, .25 arimidex E3D.
My plan was to do 12 weeks and cruise on trt.
Wondering if I want to extend my cycle to16 weeks?
For more muscle gains and fat loss. But also worrying about cholesterol.

Any thoughts? On what i need to look out for over the next days?

Cheers.

An update.
I did a new bloodwork a couple of days ago and my ldl and total cholesterol are up. Metric; LDL 187, TC 243. Everything else relevant was normal.

So i decided NOT to take the anavar now.
Instead, after extensive research, I decided to start HGH, its the generic kind I posted in my last message. I have taken 2 doses of 2 IU at 10pm.

I know it may be too soon to judge but I felt muscles tightening up in sleep and this morning some water retention.
Did a back workout felt pumped and amazing!
I am hoping this is not a placebo effect but actually proves that the GH is legit and good quality.
I am currently on week 8 if my cycle 250mg sustanon E5D and 25mg proviron ED, .25 arimidex E3D.
My plan was to do 12 weeks and cruise on trt.
Wondering if I want to extend my cycle to16 weeks?
For more muscle gains and fat loss. But also worrying about cholesterol.

Any thoughts? On what i need to look out for over the next days?

Cheers.

If you are worried about your cholesterol just stop at week 12 as planned and go straight to Trt with the GH. If I were you and you can afford it I would make GH part of the Trt protocol for good especially at our age. If you extend the blast 4 more weeks it's not going to do anything but worry and stress you about the cholesterol and that in itself isn't going to be productive the least bit. I'd shut it down and go into cruise mode with the GH.

 

[HighCotton]

You're getting go advice here. I would strongly agree & recommend breaking that 250mg Test into 62.5 +/- EOD or that same 250 broken up into 3 pins a week in an effort to more closely mimic natural production. That is going to smooth out your numbers quickly.
The HGH, like everyone has mentioned is a long term drill as in 2 to 4 iu daily for 6 months minimum. That should produce the desired effects you are seeking. Lastly, hopefully this goes without saying. Mind your diet really well. Eat as clean as you can, measure your Kcals in VS. out and make sure your getting, at a minimum, 3/4 your body weight in grams of protein. Try to make that =. Same grams of protein intake as lbs. of body weight.

 

[Syntha Claus]

Get a Cardiac Calcium Score test. Then you can see whether to all but ignore your “high” cholesterol.

 

[Mojo_rizing]

Amazing feedback, thanks to all.

@Syntha Claus I will definitely look into Cardiac Calcium test, this is exactly what I need to know.

@HighCotton For the TRT, I only get it in ampoules here, not vials, will it be ok sitting in the syringe waiting for the next shot or is there a chance for contamination? Also what syringe/needle is best for trt? Insulin syringe?

@JB4976 Makes sense to stop at 12 weeks, i dont think the gains will differ much, i think im just loving how i feel and want to prolong that, i guess with trt cruising. And for GH I just want to be sure i have a reliable source for good quality and I will go with it longterm. Maybe I need to buy in bulk and store for the year.
When do you think I can be sure of the quality?

Cheers All

 

[JB4976]

Amazing feedback, thanks to all.

@Syntha Claus I will definitely look into Cardiac Calcium test, this is exactly what I need to know.

@HighCotton For the TRT, I only get it in ampoules here, not vials, will it be ok sitting in the syringe waiting for the next shot or is there a chance for contamination? Also what syringe/needle is best for trt? Insulin syringe?

@JB4976 Makes sense to stop at 12 weeks, i dont think the gains will differ much, i think im just loving how i feel and want to prolong that, i guess with trt cruising. And for GH I just want to be sure i have a reliable source for good quality and I will go with it longterm. Maybe I need to buy in bulk and store for the year.
When do you think I can be sure of the quality?

Cheers All

I know of 3 personally that I use that are here that are of quality and care about their products and clients. And there's more than that as well. I can only speak for the Labs I use.

 

[Glycomann]

I just notices that your hemoglobin and hematocrit are petty low. Usually with TRT it will either be high or closer to the top of the range. You should keep an eye on that. Wondering if you are anemic.

 

[Mojo_rizing]

I just notices that your hemoglobin and hematocrit are petty low. Usually with TRT it will either be high or closer to the top of the range. You should keep an eye on that. Wondering if you are anemic.

Good observation, thanks.
Indeed ive been just below average for as long as it can remember. However, in the last tests I did (full bloodwork, international standards, attached) you'll notice they've risen. The tests were done on 09.11, 7 weeks into my test cycle of 250mg, now E5D. Just made it above average. Did the test prior to initiating GH.

 

[Mojo_rizing]

I know of 3 personally that I use that are here that are of quality and care about their products and clients. And there's more than that as well. I can only speak for the Labs I use.

Yes of course. To be clear my question was more about what type of symptoms and when would I be able to tell that the GH is of quality.
As I have seen some say within first days to 2 weeks you should feel something different in your hands and fingers due to water retention and so on.. but actually results and benefits wont start before 4 weeks.

 

[JB4976]

I just notices that your hemoglobin and hematocrit are petty low. Usually with TRT it will either be high or closer to the top of the range. You should keep an eye on that. Wondering if you are anemic.

Good catch on

Yes of course. To be clear my question was more about what type of symptoms and when would I be able to tell that the GH is of quality.
As I have seen some say within first days to 2 weeks you should feel something different in your hands and fingers due to water retention and so on.. but actually results and benefits wont start before 4 weeks.

You'll get tingling and numbness in the hands, when this happens dial it back a little. Around the 3 month mark you'll really start to see composition changes depending on how much you run (for me 5ius and up) but everyone responds and reacts differently to everything so it's something you need to take your time doing and find your dose for that particular trait. I'd start with 2ius and titrate up 1iu every 5 days. GH is a slow ride and takes time to do what it does but it's worth the money regardless if it's for anti aging or growth. If you experience sides such as numbness and tingling in the hands and arms, water retention etc dial it back a half to 1iu until the body gets use to it then increase again. Test and GH work very well together and even at 2ius before bed with the Trt protocol makes a nice difference.

 

[HighCotton]

Amazing feedback, thanks to all.

@Syntha Claus I will definitely look into Cardiac Calcium test, this is exactly what I need to know.

@HighCotton For the TRT, I only get it in ampoules here, not vials, will it be ok sitting in the syringe waiting for the next shot or is there a chance for contamination? Also what syringe/needle is best for trt? Insulin syringe?

@JB4976 Makes sense to stop at 12 weeks, i dont think the gains will differ much, i think im just loving how i feel and want to prolong that, i guess with trt cruising. And for GH I just want to be sure i have a reliable source for good quality and I will go with it longterm. Maybe I need to buy in bulk and store for the year.
When do you think I can be sure of the quality?

Cheers All

Mojo- (Great Moniker BTW. You should use a pic of the 'lizard king' for your profile The needle/syringe question has been reviewed here quite thoroughly with study references. For Test/TRT there is almost no difference in the effectiveness of a 1/2 inch insulin syringe & a Standard 1 inch needle. I use an insulin for everything except Primo when I cycle it. I experience pip from Primo unless I go deeper into muscle & its no pip in the glutes for me.

I can only guess & would ask for more input from others here regarding drawing an ampule into, say 3 or 4 separate syringes, then storing 2 or 3 of them for use later in the week. If your going to attempt that I would strongly suggest being very vigilant about sterilizing the needles before draw, after draw before placing the cap back on the needle & then re sterilizing the needle just before use. I believe that would work BUT I cannot say for sure because I've never done that 1st hand. What I do know FOR SURE is you'll feel better pinning more than 1X per week. I pin 3X per week

 

[Mojo_rizing]

Mojo- (Great Moniker BTW. You should use a pic of the 'lizard king' for your profile The needle/syringe question has been reviewed here quite thoroughly with study references. For Test/TRT there is almost no difference in the effectiveness of a 1/2 inch insulin syringe & a Standard 1 inch needle. I use an insulin for everything except Primo when I cycle it. I experience pip from Primo unless I go deeper into muscle & its no pip in the glutes for me.

I can only guess & would ask for more input from others here regarding drawing an ampule into, say 3 or 4 separate syringes, then storing 2 or 3 of them for use later in the week. If your going to attempt that I would strongly suggest being very vigilant about sterilizing the needles before draw, after draw before placing the cap back on the needle & then re sterilizing the needle just before use. I believe that would work BUT I cannot say for sure because I've never done that 1st hand. What I do know FOR SURE is you'll feel better pinning more than 1X per week. I pin 3X per week

Done.

 

[Battousai]

Take 125mg test 3x a week.

 

[Captain_Furious]

Get a Cardiac Calcium Score test. Then you can see whether to all but ignore your “high” cholesterol.

Question... I had thay done and tested zero. But my doc said while it's great, that doesn't mean there aren't potential blockages, just thay there's no calcium built up in the arteries, which would obviously be bad.

 

[Mojo_rizing]

Question... I had thay done and tested zero. But my doc said while it's great, that doesn't mean there aren't potential blockages, just thay there's no calcium built up in the arteries, which would obviously be bad.

Indeed. Ive watched every YouTube video I could on this and came up with this conclusion as well. I guess it helps to know there is no immediate risk or otherwise.
Good for you. Im looking at where I can get it done locally.

 

[Mojo_rizing]

On a separate note, ive got 3 more weeks to go on my sustanon 250mg E5D cycle, and will be transitioning to TRT. Im wondering if i stick with sustanon or change to Enan or Cyp. If there is a preference.

Also how to figure out the right dosage and frequency, is it by starting with higher dose ie. 125mg x2 per week and then lowering? Especially after the 12 week cycle.
IM or subq?

Should keep taking the AI and monitor symptoms? And keep proviron stacked?

I have to also consider that I only have access to 1ml ampoules and not vials. Which means i may need to extract the test and store it in syringes placed in the fridge. So the more pinning the less practical.

Lot of questions in my head!! LOL

 

[Syntha Claus]

Question... I had thay done and tested zero. But my doc said while it's great, that doesn't mean there aren't potential blockages, just thay there's no calcium built up in the arteries, which would obviously be bad.

One of my best friends is an invasive cardiac tech (I think is the title).
He is very friendly with a cardiologist. I get my thoughts from their comments.

No calcium buildup or blockages is a great thing. They are indeed a potential killer.
But it won’t show fatty buildups inside or outside of arteries.
These are just another potentially fatal factor. But they don’t seem to ever mention this until they are quieted by a negative CC score. It’s like the need a new “evil” to focus on.
They also don’t mention how the whole process leading to the potential for excess or dangerous buildup is part of the natural healing process that is happening when arteries need repair, naturally, by your own body. It is when these repairs go sideways that the potential for excess buildup and blockages can occur.
Remember, cancer isn’t an exogenous issue. It is your own cells creating the pathology. Happens with every system and organ in the body. Sometimes our own systemic healing goes awry.
Knowing with cetainty that at THAT moment, you have no calcium buildupor blockages is great information for peace of mind. I guess if you are looking for more shit to stress about, then just ignore the positive diagnostics and health markers.

I could have aggressive brain cancer right now and not know it. But my glucose, blood pressure, heart scans, EKG and blood tests all look good. This is enough to satify me and give me peace of mind.
I do the tests, stay on top of my health and live a healthy lifestyle.

I am shocked at the plethora of drugs people here seem to be taking just to stay within boundaries of “normal”. Some close to half my age.
I wonder how many have these problems that are directly related to lifestyle? The amount of people I meet who have diabetes, yet don’t eat to mitigate it; have high blood pressure but do nothing to mitigate it naturally; have gout but don’t omit high oxalates foods from diet….etc, etc…..goes on and on….is astounding.

I do everything within my power to avoid the necessitation of pharmacological intervention. I can tell you one thing for certain, if my health was not as good as I can get without drugs, I would never be pushing gear “for a plastic trophy”.
My health comes first, over everything else.

And it ain’t that difficult.

 

[Mojo_rizing]

On a separate note, ive got 3 more weeks to go on my sustanon 250mg E5D cycle, and will be transitioning to TRT. Im wondering if i stick with sustanon or change to Enan or Cyp. If there is a preference.

Also how to figure out the right dosage and frequency, is it by starting with higher dose ie. 125mg x2 per week and then lowering? Especially after the 12 week cycle.
IM or subq?

Should keep taking the AI and monitor symptoms? And keep proviron stacked?

I have to also consider that I only have access to 1ml ampoules and not vials. Which means i may need to extract the test and store it in syringes placed in the fridge. So the more pinning the less practical.

Lot of questions in my head!! LOL

Another question to add to my list is,
what about peptides instead of HGH?

Ive just started looking into this but any real life experiences would be appreciated.