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200 mg - blood levels 14 days later

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If someone is on a 200 mg every 14 days schedule of Test C, what will his blood levels be at day 14 (time for next pin)?

Please do not argue how stupid a 14 day schedule is.

My doc demands 200 mg every two weeks until the first blood test and is shooting for 800 or better on the blood test. The test is 7 days after the last pin (pretty much like heavy iron's protocol). This is not, however, 200 mg weekly. It is 200 mg every two weeks. I would guess that testosterone goes back to about baseline by 14 days. Unfortunately, I am having a hard time finding research to back this up.

The doc is ok with splitting it up weekly (which would be 100 mg a week) after the first blood results. I am guessing the results on 100 mg weekly 7 days after pinning would be half - 400 or so?

Should I be pushing the doc in the direction of 150-200 mg weekly, and, if so, what ammunition is out there about what happens to test levels from days 7-14?
 
I haven't seen labs for a protocol like this but when I model it I come up with about 575 after 7 days and low 200's after 14 days. Might seem really low but this is because each pin goes through about 3 half lives before the next pin so it's like starting from scratch each time.
 
galois said:
I haven't seen labs for a protocol like this but when I model it I come up with about 575 after 7 days and low 200's after 14 days. Might seem really low but this is because each pin goes through about 3 half lives before the next pin so it's like starting from scratch each time.
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Doc claims over 800 every time at 7 days.
 
200 would probably give you 800 after 7 days but you will be much lower at day 14, probably under 400 but that's just a guess. Your doc is taken results after 7, but making you wait 14, I would argue he is not doing you any favors. First of all your bloods will be varying all the time this way, many people do twice a week for more stable bloods, once a week is ok, but once every two weeks starts low goes high and comes all the way back down, a Rollercoaster ride. If he changes it to 100 every week for more stability that is fine but your levels will be no where near 800. Not sure what he is trying to achieve, I would get my own bloods at day 13 and show him the results and see is he will give you 200 a week.
 
Find another doctor. The roller coaster ride of hormones will suck. To feel good for a few days then back to crap is stupid.

The one thing you need to realize is the doctor works for you. Tell him you want to do weekly. If he still argues, move on.
 
BOBCAT said:
Find another doctor. The roller coaster ride of hormones will suck. To feel good for a few days then back to crap is stupid.

The one thing you need to realize is the doctor works for you. Tell him you want to do weekly. If he still argues, move on.
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I don't really think 200mg will produce a "rollercoaster" effect lolz. I felt no different from 800 to 80. I actually felt better at 80. I was way more laid back. I'm actually a nut case on high levels of testosterone. The only difference was pumps were not existent in the gym. Your doc is not worrying about pumps in the gym. He just wants to see your levels above a certain point. Unless you are 4 weeks out from The Arnold, I wouldn't worry about stable blood levels from 200mg of test. Either way you are normal - high end of normal.
 
raysd21 said:
I don't really think 200mg will produce a "rollercoaster" effect lolz. I felt no different from 800 to 80. I actually felt better at 80. I was way more laid back. I'm actually a nut case on high levels of testosterone. The only difference was pumps were not existent in the gym. Your doc is not worrying about pumps in the gym. He just wants to see your levels above a certain point. Unless you are 4 weeks out from The Arnold, I wouldn't worry about stable blood levels from 200mg of test. Either way you are normal - high end of normal.
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raysd21 - just to be clear, this is 200 every TWO weeks, not every week.

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Romeburning said:
200 would probably give you 800 after 7 days but you will be much lower at day 14, probably under 400 but that's just a guess. Your doc is taken results after 7, but making you wait 14, I would argue he is not doing you any favors. First of all your bloods will be varying all the time this way, many people do twice a week for more stable bloods, once a week is ok, but once every two weeks starts low goes high and comes all the way back down, a Rollercoaster ride. If he changes it to 100 every week for more stability that is fine but your levels will be no where near 800. Not sure what he is trying to achieve, I would get my own bloods at day 13 and show him the results and see is he will give you 200 a week.
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Very good post. Repped. Great idea, and I will probably do that.
 
100/wk puts me about 650-700 with split pins. At 14 days one single injection you would be near baseline. No clue if you had been on that schedule for sometime. I've got labs from the start of trt and these were my results.
 
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BOBCAT said:
Find another doctor. The roller coaster ride of hormones will suck. To feel good for a few days then back to crap is stupid.

The one thing you need to realize is the doctor works for you. Tell him you want to do weekly. If he still argues, move on.
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Well, to be clear, as I stated in the first post, the doc is ok with splitting it up, after the doc takes the first blood test, but that is only 100 mg weekly. I am thinking 100 mg weekly will put me barely low normal, like 400 or so . . .

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JRotten said:
100/wk puts me about 650-700 with split pins. At 14 days one single injection you would be near baseline. No clue if you had been on that schedule for sometime. I've got labs from the start of trt and these were my results.
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Split pins meaning 50 mg twice a week?
 
malfeasance said:
raysd21 - just to be clear, this is 200 every TWO weeks, not every week.
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Yeah I read the intro. I didn't say your doc was right...or smart in doing this...I just said it wouldn't be a rollercoaster of ride of hormones. That's utterly ridiculous. You probably won't notice a difference until the last couple days of the 14 if any. It would be like 800 to 400, 800 to 400, 800 to 400 like clockwork. You guys blow this shit way out of proportion. You'll feel a little lackluster or calm maybe but I doubt you will even lose pumps or strength. I like that not giving a shit part. Obviously your doc is not a BB friendly doc. He doesn't understand how Testosterone relates to the gym and pumps, and blood/nitrogen levels...and don't forget protein synthesis. If he did...he would never even consider such a fucking lamebrain concept. Someone should cut his tires on his fucking Jaguar with a syringe sticking right the fuck out...he'd get the hint.....IMO
 
malfeasance said:
Well, to be clear, as I stated in the first post, the doc is ok with splitting it up, after the doc takes the first blood test, but that is only 100 mg weekly. I am thinking 100 mg weekly will put me barely low normal, like 400 or so . . .

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Split pins meaning 50 mg twice a week?
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Yes, 50 mon/thur is my actual trt protocol
 
actually, splitting will give you average higher values. the half life of cyp is around 5 days for most people so if you pin 200 then 5 days later you have only 100 left in your body. If instead you were splitting 100/week or 50 mon/thur then you'll have substantially more in your body at 7 days.

Anyway, will be very nice to see bloods on the original weird 200 biweekly protocol to put the speculation to bed.
 
Stupid question time, but does bodyweight matter in terms of where a given dose will put you?
 
JRotten said:
Yes, 50 mon/thur is my actual trt protocol
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That is a very tiny pin. .25 ml? Just so I have full information, are you testing right before your next pin, that is, for example, on Monday before you pin, so you know that 650-700 is as low as you go?

If so, I may re-think whether 100 mg weekly is too little (although the bloodwork will tell the tale). I suppose I can read .25 ml on an insulin syringe.
 
malfeasance said:
Stupid question time, but does bodyweight matter in terms of where a given dose will put you?
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yeah, it's like pouring a kool aid packet into different size pitchers of water. pour 200mg of kool aid into a big pitcher and it will be watered down - lower kool aid ng/dl. pour it into a tiny pitcher and it will be too strong - high ng/dl.

people are big pitchers of blood (!) and you can use body weight to estimate blood volume. with blood volume and a little math you can estimate test ng/dl.
 
galois said:
yeah, it's like pouring a kool aid packet into different size pitchers of water. pour 200mg of kool aid into a big pitcher and it will be watered down - lower kool aid ng/dl. pour it into a tiny pitcher and it will be too strong - high ng/dl.

people are big pitchers of blood (!) and you can use body weight to estimate blood volume. with blood volume and a little math you can estimate test ng/dl.
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Even protocol that IA is doing?



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galois said:
yeah, it's like pouring a kool aid packet into different size pitchers of water. pour 200mg of kool aid into a big pitcher and it will be watered down - lower kool aid ng/dl. pour it into a tiny pitcher and it will be too strong - high ng/dl.

people are big pitchers of blood (!) and you can use body weight to estimate blood volume. with blood volume and a little math you can estimate test ng/dl.
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I tried downloading that spreadsheet you made back in the day to no avail. It would not work when I tried opening it
 
weizen said:
I tried downloading that spreadsheet you made back in the day to no avail. It would not work when I tried opening it
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Excel? I use Numbers on a Mac so I need to convert it. Will try from my work PC tomorrow.
 

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