What's your best 2 exercises to reduce SubQ fat

[GYMnTONIC]

Guys what compounds should someone use who is focusing on these areas?

Clen, t3 caffeine, stims etc. hgh, frag, igf, slu pp 332, Cardarine etc etc

 

[Bolan]

Clen, t3 caffeine, stims etc. hgh, frag, igf, slu pp 332, Cardarine etc et

Personally a little T-3 and a little clen does wonders.

ECA stack works, for me its too "jittery" Cant sleep n shit.

IGF-1 like Increlex... no way. you turn into a human puffer fish.

Low dose HGH., always.

Cardarine: never tried it for fat loss. Hella cardio though.


A little Adpotite, DNP and half a bottle of Reta Ed....

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

Cardarine: never tried it for fat loss. Hella cardio though.

I'll second this. Started GW0742 a few weeks ago at 20mg/day mainly for the positive HDL impacts. I have noticed an increase in cardio ability, but negligible, if any, midline fat oxidation.

 

[Rot-Iron66]

1. Table Push-Aways
2. Fork Put-Downs (as a few have suggested).

 

[JJB1]

Gotta starve......

Yep. It’s the last to go, other than adipose tissue/visceral fat around the organs.

 

[Meetketchup]

You can go on forever about oral supplements, because so many are important but most are well known, so I am not listing them here. Hope this helps!

Your post is good info on burning calories, but none of that is going to specifically spot reduce fat, which is what was asked by OP. Trust me, I wish spot reduction was a thing. Unfortunately, you just have to get lean enough to get rid of what the individual holds most.

Fat around the obliques. Lower abs. Lower back.

 

[62Young]

"Fat around the obliques. Lower abs. Lower back."

This is me. 62 years old. I do home improvements and this past season I made friends with the ice cream man. Big mistake! Anyway, making good gains on Trt/lifting, but that stuff in that area was not cooperating. Even 30 minutes on Peloton bike and weight training, slow progress. To the point, I used to do a lot of intense cardio, like Insanity with Shaun T (no affiliation), but my knees starting acting up, so I stopped. Yesterday, I did it, modified, cutting out all the jumping movements and just focused on movements that targeted core/abs. (There are similar videos on YT). Today I woke up, looked in mirror and already looked leaner/tighter Body fat dropped from 23+%+ to 22.8%. (Withings scale, but it tracks well enough). I'm going to try to do this 3x/week (my cardio days) and see how it goes.

1.25mg Tirzepatide (2 weeks) Working - food noise eliminated.
BPC-157/TB500
TRT: 100mg/week
Diet: Mostly carnivore/no dairy, etc.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

This article popped up on my feed about targeting and losing visceral fat. To summarize the article, you can't target but the most important factors to support overall fat loss were:

1. Strength training
2. HIIT Cardio
3. Protein Intake to support muscle growth
4. Calorie Deficet
5. Hydration
6. Sleep Proritization

How to (Actually) Burn Off Belly Fat—and Why It Matters

Not all body fat is created equal.

www.gq.com

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

@GYMnTONIC do you have any experience with AOD 9604? I know it's supposed to be a fragmented version of HGH and mimic the fat burning properties, but I don't see it being talked about much.

 

[calf10]

Fat around the obliques. Lower abs. Lower back.

That stubborn super hard body fat that loves to accumulate in men. Can be tricky to address.

What are your two favorite and most effective exercises you have found to eliminate said issue?

Also if you wanna name off compounds or suppz or diet that helped you achieve said goal by all means name those here!

Looking to see if a pattern emerges or If our crew can agree on a few specific exercises to.address this area.

Looking for an informative , experience based thread to help all members here achieve their goals.

Thanks guys

Fasted 30 mins cycling in the mornings on tesamorelin and retatrutide melt my visceral fat from 20 to 7 in 6 months - lost 45 pounds during that time.

 

[calf10]

Your post is good info on burning calories, but none of that is going to specifically spot reduce fat, which is what was asked by OP. Trust me, I wish spot reduction was a thing. Unfortunately, you just have to get lean enough to get rid of what the individual holds most.

I was thinking (no localized fat loss is possible) just you like up until I started using tesamorelin and retatrutide together 6 months ago. I lost weight before but this time it is different, belly fat and love handles melt as fast as other parts of my body. BTW appreciate your messages, you are quite knowledgeable and share different views which is invaluable - much appreciated.

 

[Meetketchup]

I was thinking (no localized fat loss is possible) just you like up until I started using tesamorelin and retatrutide together 6 months ago. I lost weight before but this time it is different, belly fat and love handles melt as fast as other parts of my body. BTW appreciate your messages, you are quite knowledgeable and share different views which is invaluable - much appreciated.

Thank you for the shout out. Much appreciated.

The bold is 100% correct. "As fast" is my point. There is no mechanism in GLP's or any peptide that will target (spot) an area. It comes off everyone differently at different rates. It doesn't matter because if you get lean enough it ALL comes off.

 

[Meetketchup]

@GYMnTONIC do you have any experience with AOD 9604? I know it's supposed to be a fragmented version of HGH and mimic the fat burning properties, but I don't see it being talked about much.

Read all the studies and clinical data as I wanted this to be good, but it's extremely underwhelming/insignificant. That's why it's not spoken about much. Just use more growth.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

it's extremely underwhelming/insignificant

I appreciate you jumping in and was hoping someone would verify my thoughts. I just recently heard of it and started reading alot. You're right. Underwheling at best. I didnt even find much info here of anyone other than one member using it and a few that just mentioned it.

I learned years ago, if the restaurant parking lot is empty at lunch time, there is a reason. If you eat there, you'll find out why. Seems like the parking lot for AOF9604 is empty.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

@Meetketchup this is "targeted fat" related so I am curious about your thoughts on fasted cardio vs. fed cardio. Depending on which article you read, the narratives are completely opposite. I find there to be truth on both sides, but I tend to lean towards the side of "doesn't really matter" because ultimately, fat loss is dependent upon a caloric average over time. I could be entirely wrong based upon glycogen and cortisol effects, but when I hear "fasted cardio" my brain interprets this as the equivalent of saying:

It will cost me more money if I grocery shop before I deposit my check rather than going after I deposit my check.

Money comes out, money goes in. Same money, regardless of the order. Again, curious about your thoughts and if I'm missing something.

 

[Warchild]

@Meetketchup this is "targeted fat" related so I am curious about your thoughts on fasted cardio vs. fed cardio. Depending on which article you read, the narratives are completely opposite. I find there to be truth on both sides, but I tend to lean towards the side of "doesn't really matter" because ultimately, fat loss is dependent upon a caloric average over time. I could be entirely wrong based upon glycogen and cortisol effects, but when I hear "fasted cardio" my brain interprets this as the equivalent of saying:

It will cost me more money if I grocery shop before I deposit my check rather than going after I deposit my check.

Money comes out, money goes in. Same money, regardless of the order. Again, curious about your thoughts and if I'm missing something.

The equation is the same, deficit calories means weight loss. The difference between fasted and fed is really negligible and I think it really aligns with when you train. If you work out at 5am it is probably easier to do it in a fasted state. As far as localization of fat loss no specific exercise or movement will target a single area. I have heard promising results from tesamorelin hitting targeted fat as that is what it is used for with HIV patients getting that Ethiopian belly.


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[Meetketchup]

@Meetketchup this is "targeted fat" related so I am curious about your thoughts on fasted cardio vs. fed cardio. Depending on which article you read, the narratives are completely opposite. I find there to be truth on both sides, but I tend to lean towards the side of "doesn't really matter" because ultimately, fat loss is dependent upon a caloric average over time. I could be entirely wrong based upon glycogen and cortisol effects, but when I hear "fasted cardio" my brain interprets this as the equivalent of saying:

It will cost me more money if I grocery shop before I deposit my check rather than going after I deposit my check.

Money comes out, money goes in. Same money, regardless of the order. Again, curious about your thoughts and if I'm missing something.

Correct. There is no significant difference "net" wise (at the end of the day) between fasted and fed cardio. This has been shown time and time again via studies and in real life. The only argument I see that may have some relevance is if you are super lean and using clen/ephedrine/yohimbe fasted, but even then, I haven't seen much if any difference. Obviously, no studies on that scenario.

People will swear one way or the other but it's preference. Just do your damn cardio.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

Correct. There is no significant difference "net" wise (at the end of the day) between fasted and fed cardio. This has been shown time and time again via studies and in real life. The only argument I see that may have some relevance is if you are super lean and using clen/ephedrine/yohimbe fasted, but even then, I haven't seen much if any difference. Obviously, no studies on that scenario.

People will swear one way or the other but it's preference. Just do your damn cardio.

As it is, I have a hard enough time finding the motivation to do it daily. Most days I just have to do it out of pure damn stubbornness. Getting a machine at home has helped because now I can go the second I feel like it because the next second may change my mind. If I had to include fasted or fed into the motivation equation, I'd probably never do it. Like you said, I just have to do the damn cardio.

 

[McPriimate]

The equation is the same, deficit calories means weight loss. The difference between fasted and fed is really negligible and I think it really aligns with when you train. If you work out at 5am it is probably easier to do it in a fasted state. As far as localization of fat loss no specific exercise or movement will target a single area. I have heard promising results from tesamorelin hitting targeted fat as that is what it is used for with HIV patients getting that Ethiopian belly.


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Agree on the cardio piece.

The tesa thing likely won’t work for gen pop. It’s sometimes used in HIV patients that have lipodystrophy (where they can get fat around their internal organs mostly as a result of the older treatments that were physiologically pretty harsh and could also cause disregulated endogenous GH production). GH would likely work better for genpop. Tesa is used in HIV as it is less likely to disrupt the normal axes and is more about getting back to normal endogenous gh production. So it’s the lack of normal gh function that it rescues and that helps with the visceral fat in HIV.

For someone with a normal axis (most of us until we mess them up), gh would still work for overall fat loss. Tesa gets you back to baseline or a bit better, but if you don’t have a problem and want to overdrive the gh/igf-1 pathway, just take some gh. Cuz if you don’t have a GH problem, your belly fat is just normal fat and won’t be selectively rescued as in HIV patients.

Sorry if that’s a bit rambling… and apologies to anyone selling tesa lol


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[Warchild]

Agree on the cardio piece.

The tesa thing likely won’t work for gen pop. It’s sometimes used in HIV patients that have lipodystrophy (where they can get fat around their internal organs mostly as a result of the older treatments that were physiologically pretty harsh and could also cause disregulated endogenous GH production). GH would likely work better for genpop. Tesa is used in HIV as it is less likely to disrupt the normal axes and is more about getting back to normal endogenous gh production. So it’s the lack of normal gh function that it rescues and that helps with the visceral fat in HIV.

For someone with a normal axis (most of us until we mess them up), gh would still work for overall fat loss. Tesa gets you back to baseline or a bit better, but if you don’t have a problem and want to overdrive the gh/igf-1 pathway, just take some gh. Cuz if you don’t have a GH problem, your belly fat is just normal fat and won’t be selectively rescued as in HIV patients.

Sorry if that’s a bit rambling… and apologies to anyone selling tesa lol


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Appreciate the response, and solid information.


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