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Bible Thread

heavyiron said:
One of the last things needed before building the 3rd temple is a purification ceremony. Practice run is complete.

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Evangelicals rehearse ancient red heifer ritual linked to Jerusalem temple prophecy

JERUSALEM (RNS) — Organizers said the ceremony must be performed before the Jewish Temple can be rebuilt in Jerusalem, ushering in a messianic age of peace.
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Im sorry man but wasnt Jesus supposed to be the last offering? I really thought this was the case and any burnt offering after that wouldnt be looked at kindly or blessed? Now i could be wrong but im not sure edumucate me!


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j2048b said:
Im sorry man but wasnt Jesus supposed to be the last offering? I really thought this was the case and any burnt offering after that wouldnt be looked at kindly or blessed? Now i could be wrong but im not sure edumucate me!


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Yes, Christ is our final sacrifice for sins.

The burning of the red heifer is not a sacrifice but rather the ashes are mixed with water to cleans the temple and the priests. Its a step before building the 3rd temple.
 
heavyiron said:
Yes, Christ is our final sacrifice for sins.

The burning of the red heifer is not a sacrifice but rather the ashes are mixed with water to cleans the temple and the priests. Its a step before building the 3rd temple.
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Ahh ok makes sense


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heavyiron said:
Yes, Christ is our final sacrifice for sins.

The burning of the red heifer is not a sacrifice but rather the ashes are mixed with water to cleans the temple and the priests. Its a step before building the 3rd temple.
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Ahh ok makes sense


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Did you guys ever see the video in Egypt? This was well before AI and photoshop, there was a riot or something going on and you see a rider on a horse and it vanishes in the air , I’ll see if I can find it and I’ll post the link
View: https://youtu.be/KgTiqaKSJNk
 
2 Kings 15:16

Then Menahem attacked Tiphsah, everyone there, and its territory. Because the city didn't open its gates for him, he attacked it and ripped open all its pregnant women.
 
CHRIST RETURNS all believers in Him are with Him in His glory💪🏼 Hallelujahhha💪🏼

Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 ;And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.
 
Meetketchup said:
2 Kings 15:16

Then Menahem attacked Tiphsah, everyone there, and its territory. Because the city didn't open its gates for him, he attacked it and ripped open all its pregnant women.
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Reminds me of the kibbutz on Oct 7
 
Daily reminder of your identity in Christ starts with this verse… where are you today 💪🏼

19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law,Christ died for nothing!”
 
Meetketchup said:
Not trolling and sincere with my question. What does that actually mean? My identity in Christ?
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For me, I’ve found that reading scriptures can reveal truths that I didn’t understand before. Literally, as I’ve matured as a Christian I find that deeper truths become a clearer understanding of what I know God is teaching me as I mature through Him in my identity as a Christian. But this is how I understand this scripture based on what you asked:
  • Dead to the old self: Your past sins and attempts to earn salvation no longer define you.
  • Alive in Christ: Jesus’ life now animates and defines you. It gives you a new identity as a follower of Christ.
  • Faith-driven: You live by trusting His love and sacrifice, not your own merit.
  • Grace-covered: You stand before God fully accepted, clothed in Christ’s righteousness.
In more common terms for every Christian:
  • You don’t have to constantly wonder if you’re “good enough” for God.
  • Your failures don’t define you—Christ’s victory does.
  • Your life’s purpose is now to reflect Christ living in you, not to prove yourself through religious rule-keeping.
This is how I interpret what you asked. But the explanation might be slightly different depending on who you ask and how mature that person is in their Christian faith.
 
BigD9795 said:
For me, I’ve found that reading scriptures can reveal truths that I didn’t understand before. Literally, as I’ve matured as a Christian I find that deeper truths become a clearer understanding of what I know God is teaching me as I mature through Him in my identity as a Christian. But this is how I understand this scripture based on what you asked:
  • Dead to the old self: Your past sins and attempts to earn salvation no longer define you.
  • Alive in Christ: Jesus’ life now animates and defines you. It gives you a new identity as a follower of Christ.
  • Faith-driven: You live by trusting His love and sacrifice, not your own merit.
  • Grace-covered: You stand before God fully accepted, clothed in Christ’s righteousness.
In more common terms for every Christian:
  • You don’t have to constantly wonder if you’re “good enough” for God.
  • Your failures don’t define you—Christ’s victory does.
  • Your life’s purpose is now to reflect Christ living in you, not to prove yourself through religious rule-keeping.
This is how I interpret what you asked. But the explanation might be slightly different depending on who you ask and how mature that person is in their Christian faith.
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That was not at all what I was asking. I love you D but that sounded like Jordan Peterson word salad on why you're a Christian :) I was asking @HFO3 for his reasoning on that specific statement. Genuinely curious.

Since you posted that though, let's take a random quote such as “Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!” Psalm 137:9

How do you square that round hole from your happy interpretation above. Are we just cherry picking the good stuff while leaving out 1/2 the barbaric/tribal nonsense? If so, I will stop posting in this thread. Was just curious as to the identity through Christ statement made.
 
Meetketchup said:
That was not at all what I was asking. I love you D but that sounded like Jordan Peterson word salad on why you're a Christian :) I was asking @HFO3 for his reasoning on that specific statement. Genuinely curious.

Since you posted that though, let's take a random quote such as “Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!” Psalm 137:9

How do you square that round hole from your happy interpretation above. Are we just cherry picking the good stuff while leaving out 1/2 the barbaric/tribal nonsense? If so, I will stop posting in this thread. Was just curious as to the identity through Christ statement made.
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Ok. So I’m no biblical scholar. I don’t claim to be. I can only tell you what these things mean to me and “how I understand them”. It probably does sound like word soup to a lot of people who might read what I say. But I’ll try to explain that scripture the way I understand it. That isn’t to say that it is factually correct.

Most scripture in the Bible can be interpreted many ways if you just isolate a single verse. But it’s important to also understand the historical and literary context of said scripture. In that time frame, the Israelites had been brutally attacked by the Babylonians during battles where the Babylonians were brutally killing innocent children among others. The entirety of Psalm 137 is a lament by the author expressing frustration, sadness, and anger about what happened to the Israelites. Gods chosen people. I believe the author was crying out their frustrations to God and basically venting about the situation. Not being immune to their sin nature, they want justice. And I believe that’s what the verse you listed is saying. My takeaway from this is that it shows that biblical scripture includes honest human emotions, even ugly ones, to show our need for God’s ultimate judgment and mercy.

Am I right? I can’t say definitively, that I am. It’s just how I interpret it. But I do believe that’s all scripture must be studied not in singularity, but in the whole context in which it is written. Based on the timeframe and the historical events that happened when it was written. That’s at least how I try to understand what it is saying.

Word soup? Maybe. But it’s my honest answer to your question. And I love and respect you too, brother. You know I do.

D
 
BigD9795 said:
Ok. So I’m no biblical scholar. I don’t claim to be. I can only tell you what these things mean to me and “how I understand them”. It probably does sound like word soup to a lot of people who might read what I say. But I’ll try to explain that scripture the way I understand it. That isn’t to say that it is factually correct.

Most scripture in the Bible can be interpreted many ways if you just isolate a single verse. But it’s important to also understand the historical and literary context of said scripture. In that time frame, the Israelites had been brutally attacked by the Babylonians during battles where the Babylonians were brutally killing innocent children among others. The entirety of Psalm 137 is a lament by the author expressing frustration, sadness, and anger about what happened to the Israelites. Gods chosen people. I believe the author was crying out their frustrations to God and basically venting about the situation. Not being immune to their sin nature, they want justice. And I believe that’s what the verse you listed is saying. My takeaway from this is that it shows that biblical scripture includes honest human emotions, even ugly ones, to show our need for God’s ultimate judgment and mercy.

Am I right? I can’t say definitively, that I am. It’s just how I interpret it. But I do believe that’s all scripture must be studied not in singularity, but in the whole context in which it is written. Based on the timeframe and the historical events that happened when it was written. That’s at least how I try to understand what it is saying.

Word soup? Maybe. But it’s my honest answer to your question. And I love and respect you too, brother. You know I do.

D
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Classic when Christians say, "Well that is just metaphor, analogy or up for interpretation." If that is the case, how is to anyone know or determine what in the bible is true and what isn't? We just pick and choose what suits our beliefs and disregard the other stuff? Regardless of whether or not it defies the laws of physics? I mean, Christ rising from the dead could be a metaphor, right? Or being born from a virgin, right? Oh wait, those are miracles. Right. If you're going all in, then go all in. Believe it all including the sadistic, immoral and unethical stuff. Not just what you want.

I will bow out of the thread. Don't mean to offend anyone. I just get annoyed when the above argument presented.

Carry on and I love you all. Yes, that is from a militant atheist. :)
 
Meetketchup said:
Not trolling and sincere with my question. What does that actually mean? My identity in Christ?
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Here’s a couple of scriptures in king James and amplified translation below that may help. But you cannot have identity in Christ unless first you believe in the knowledge of Christ Jesus saving grace at the cross

KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him

Amplified
He made Christ who knew no sin to [judicially] be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we would become the righteousness of God [that is, we would be made acceptable to Him and placed in a right relationship with Him by His gracious lovingkindness].


Jesus traded His righteousness for man’s unrighteousness so if a man believes in Christ his new identity is in Christ.Jesus as he is a new creation

KJV
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

AMPLIFIED
Therefore if anyone is in Christ [that is, grafted in, joined to Him by faith in Him as Savior], he is a new creature [reborn and renewed by the Holy Spirit]; the old things [the previous moral and spiritual condition] have passed away. Behold, new things have come [because spiritual awakening brings a new life].
 
This is really what today's Christians go by. Old Testament is important for understanding God's character and plan, the New Testament outlines the new covenant of grace that believers adhere to today.
 
j2048b said:
Im sorry man but wasnt Jesus supposed to be the last offering? I really thought this was the case and any burnt offering after that wouldnt be looked at kindly or blessed? Now i could be wrong but im not sure edumucate me!


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John 8:42 explains… in the words of Jesus the only sacrifice the one true God ever needed (his own fleshy avatar)

The god of the tiny hats and moooslims is not the God of Jesus. The Bible makes it known plain as day. Jesus spoke these words to the Pharisees and the followers od Yahweh..

Ever wonder why the Old Testament God is so much different that the New Testament God….. does one covenant cancel out the other or are both covenants to be carried out simultaneously?

Just an interesting perspective I recently heard… don’t know what I believe in that regard really.
 
In the Old Testament, Yahweh was going to strike Moses dead if not for an impromptu circumcision…

The miracles of the old vs the new seem different enough to at least wonder if they are both talking about the same god…. Seems a lot of deals in the old were sealed in blood whereas Jesus brought healing and salvation Yahweh brought plagues, destruction and double edged “gifts”…

I don’t know but it’s really interesting to think about….

Gnosticism is also fun to learn about as well as the cathars and Rosicrucian-ism.

The many different Medieval European views on God is truly fascinating if you got some time to do a little digging…
 
heavyiron said:
Yes, Christ is our final sacrifice for sins.

The burning of the red heifer is not a sacrifice but rather the ashes are mixed with water to cleans the temple and the priests. Its a step before building the 3rd temple.
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Where in the text is the origin of the red heifer? Curious.
 
Milford King said:
John 8:42 explains… in the words of Jesus the only sacrifice the one true God ever needed (his own fleshy avatar)

The god of the tiny hats and moooslims is not the God of Jesus. The Bible makes it known plain as day. Jesus spoke these words to the Pharisees and the followers od Yahweh..

Ever wonder why the Old Testament God is so much different that the New Testament God….. does one covenant cancel out the other or are both covenants to be carried out simultaneously?

Just an interesting perspective I recently heard… don’t know what I believe in that regard really.
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God didn’t cancel His old covenant, He fulfilled it because we could not.

Moreover, If Jesus who is the new covenant did not fulfill the old covenant we, all nations of believers and jews would still be under the old covenant.

Which would suck now and much much worse in the end,
As a matter fact I’m gonna glorify Jesus right here right now 💪🏼 thank you Jesus ❤️
 
Meetketchup said:
Not trolling and sincere with my question. What does that actually mean? My identity in Christ?
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What I get from this passage from Galatians.... it emphasizes that a person can only truly live for God by dying to the law and living by faith in Christ. Through Christ's sacrifice, believers are freed from the law's condemnation and empowered to live a new life guided by faith and God's grace.
 
HFO3 said:
God didn’t cancel His old covenant, He fulfilled it because we could not.

Moreover, If Jesus who is the new covenant did not fulfill the old covenant we, all nations of believers and jews would still be under the old covenant.

Which would suck now and much much worse in the end,
As a matter fact I’m gonna glorify Jesus right here right now 💪🏼 thank you Jesus ❤️
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The Old Testament Yahweh kinda seemed like he despised gentiles….

Also, Moses convinced him after he reneged on the promised land… that if he didn’t lead them out of the desert and into Israel the pharaohs of Egypt would see him as a weak and unable god… Jesus had no ego problem….

I’m just saying… how do we reconcile some of the things Jesus says in the New Testament about the god of this world and some of the actions of the god of the Old Testament?

Jesus doesn’t seem to operate on the same level as Yahweh of the Old Testament…

just find the argument to be interesting… not sure if it holds water but there are some points that stick, maybe.
 
I haven't had a chance to go through this entire thread but wanted to throw this out there. Research "right division of the Bible" either Google or YouTube. You'll see a different way of interpretation of the KJ Bible. It's kinda interesting and some of it seems to make sense.
 
Milford King said:
Jesus doesn’t seem to operate on the same level as Yahweh of the Old Testament…

just find the argument to be interesting… not sure if it holds water but there are some points that stick, maybe.
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The Old Testament (Yaweh) is worse than any horror movie ever made. We all know the examples without having to list them. I find it fascinating, especially in this thread, that all of that is just pushed to the wayside for gentle Jesus meek and mild, while posting happy little bits from the New Testament every day. You can't have it both ways. If you believe one book, you must believe the other. Most of you seem like really good guys and highly doubt you live by (ethically and morally) most of what is in the Old Testament. In fact, I'm willing to bet you despise most of it as you should.
 
Meetketchup said:
The Old Testament (Yaweh) is worse than any horror movie ever made. We all know the examples without having to list them. I find it fascinating, especially in this thread, that all of that is just pushed to the wayside for gentle Jesus meek and mild, while posting happy little bits from the New Testament every day. You can't have it both ways. If you believe one book, you must believe the other. Most of you seem like really good guys and highly doubt you live by (ethically and morally) most of what is in the Old Testament. In fact, I'm willing to bet you despise most of it as you should.
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This is really what today's Christians go by. Old Testament is important for understanding God's character and plan, the New Testament outlines the new covenant of grace that believers adhere to today.
 
bacon7889 said:
This is really what today's Christians go by. Old Testament is important for understanding God's character and plan, the New Testament outlines the new covenant of grace that believers adhere to today.
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God's "character" in the Old Testament? You have read it right? I have cover to cover numerous times. Jealousy, genocide, rape, slavery, deprivation of women, incest, homophobic, vengeful and that's just to name a few. lol
 

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