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how much better is pharma HGH compared to Chinese generics?

tommygunz said:
I can tell you this much. I’ve used both back to back and the generic stuff is no comparison to Serostim. I’ve taken whole vials of whatever color tops at a time, for a long time, there’s no way I’d be able to do that with pharmaceutical HGH.
I used Serostim and was tested by a doctor for 10 years and the first time I used generics I knew the difference.
I will say that most all generics are about the same, but they’re not nearly as good as pharmaceutical in MY opinion.
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would u say 6iu serostim is better than 9 iu avg generic?
 
This is a loaded statement yet it has some truth when we peel back the layers..
Not just HGH but other drugs INCLUDING STEROIDS.

This will actually depend on the licensed synthesizing and compounding facility that would be in China, simply due to the fact that I have seen some brands have higher purity and low dimerization , which completely outshined pharmaceutical.

Here is an example based on UGL and GMP-pharmaceutical products, specifically thyroid medication. My wife has to get a specific name brand thyroid medication specifically by request from her endo, which ultimately tells the pharmacist, not to put it in the computer letting it get generated via the insurance and getting replaced with a generic, reason being she literally does not respond to the generic, not only has blood work proven this, her endocrinologist speaks very ill about certain generic compounds, some people simply have absolutely zero response, not all medications, but some in most especially in this case she only responds to high-end name brand. How does this translate into UGL vs Pharma HGH - some UGLs have been blind tested with proving results that outperformed some pharmaceutical brands, and this also applies vice verse, this is not limited and solely based just on HGH loan, but this speaks volumes for the UGL market "within reason".

It's true that some UGL's fail to meet standard requirements that are expected.. There comes supply and demand and corners are cut, becoming listless in the quality/sterilization process.. Are UGL's following PCSOP's (Pharmaceutical Compounding Standard Operating Procedures)? Hell no, there's NO inspection, PERIOD!

However some UGL's have a serious network of investors ($Millions$) in which it provides them with the proper compounding/laboratory equipment and facilities available.. Example- manufacturing GH and placing/housing it in dual chambers (The process with cultivating and exacting, and Lyophilizing the polypeptide hormone/of recombinant DNA origin, is methodical and extremely sensitive in-which can NOT be done is some generic vat/cistern for that matter), along with the preparation/manipulation & compounding of other AAS on a COMMERCIAL scale..

These are known as: Super Facilities in which they are operated by well rounded researchers, highly qualified chemists and scientist that are educated exclusively in developing, compounding, chemical synthesis, and most particularly pharmaceutical and bio-active substances (from laboratory to production scale)..Education in such fields are very common and cheaper in certain regions of the world,some of these chemist can posses an impressive resume!

Such facilities can house equipment such as ceramic microfiltration, to double ventilated sterilization transfer stations, and high end commercial pill presses and labeling machinery (which are illegal in many geographical locations worldwide without a licences/registration)..These places can meet the same criteria and standards of other "outsourcing" compounding facilities worldwide that are seen and recognized by the FDA.. I'm not stating that these UGL facilities are registered (some are in certtain regions but only in their region), I'm merely stating that they can operate in the same fashion as their registered/or unregistered counterparts known as "outsourcing facilities"...

Just and FYI; An outsourcing facility can qualify for exemptions from the FDA approval requirements and the requirement to label products with adequate directions for use, but not the exemption from other practices or requirements.

What's pivotal here and often overseen, is LOCATION,LOCATION,LOCATION! And lobbyists, funding from investors and where they stand when competing with other larger entities that have the FDA and their back pockets, or in some cases depending on geographical locations, permit, certain licenses, the amount of necessary or unnecessary inspections. IN THE DRUG TRADE, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF WHO YOU KNOW, BUT RATHER WHO YOU BLOW. Factual statement that is a figure of speech, but I wouldn't be surprised if in certain areas that it is actually literal.

To the initial topic statement - I'll end this by saying "Pharmaceutical grade" is hands down the best, and some UGLs and standing neck & neck with them, but not all AAS was intended for HUMAN use, so please consider on how one would get Pharma-Grade BOLD,TREN or even ORALS (old school AAS) for that matter that are no longer being recognized as a practical method for treatment in clinical settings world wide, a good example NPP? Some of the most common names of AAS in CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY are no longer being produced for distribution...The UGL market seems to be the go-to if anyone wishes to utilize most of these compounds! True story... For that the UGL market stood up and made HUGE investments. They are taking over and knocking these over priced giants out of the water.. BYE BYE big pharma, with certain things.

Last but not least - The truth of the matter is, The pharmaceutical industry has long been exposed to mass counterfeits, on a grade scale that has even halted production, or companies merging for that matter.. A prime example "Organon Sust Niles" <--- no longer, or even Scherings <--- mass counterfeiter and merged.. It has got to the point that counterfeiters have duplicated such flawless products that even sources in reputable regions of the world have been shammed and caught in the cross-hairs of this integrated network in the BLACK MARKET...

The pharmaceutical enterprises have even deliberately put imperfections on their products as a first sight indicator for authenticity purposes, or even subtle intricacies on design and text to fool detection from counterfeiters, but with today's high-end technology this failed, and ended up being futile in this creative cat and mouse game.. Even the steps of holograms became outmoded.. Measures have even been enforces to utilize inks/dyes in a polarization filter/UV light in order to covertly check products at pharmacies or market stalls in regions of the world, however, inspections with retailers and first hand knowledge and cooperation has even fell wayside and lacked consideration.. Again, the market has been flooded with counterfeits...Detection and avoidance has became problematic for re-sellers, and sources alike..Bottom line!

On the flip side, these sophisticated replicas have been known to actually posses real compounds fooling the populace on it's true authenticity...It's a true integrated circuit, with "whos-whos" on many ends... I will bet my last dollar that many here came across replicas possessing legit hormone and never realized the difference..

We can name regions and geographical locations that have markets/retailers known for supplying some of the finest AAS to locals/tourist, even then counterfeits have made there way into the mainstream of sales/retail.. Greece, Thailand, Mexico, Africa, Pakistan, and Eastern Europe, an so on just to name a few...

There's always a risk, and unfortunately we do NOT live in a perfect world.. This is a market, the black market, no matter how you slice it or dice it, there will always be a risk!

With UGL's you know what you're getting, within reason when it concerns accountability, testing and blind testing. (When was the last time someone did a blind test to a bottle of aspirin that they purchased in Walmart)?...UGL didn't destroy the pharma market, counterfeiters did, far as UGL goes, it's simply the newest business model that's proven to be extremely successful.. Some companies actually emphasize on first-rate customer service relationships and to boot with exceptional products.. Believe it!

The platform for selling UGL verse genuine articles is that some UGL's are damn good, or ever BETTER then their counter parts in some aspects...
 
@Vision

Excellent write up as always, Vision!

I agree with you.

This is why many of us are forced to go the UGL route because obtaining pharma-grade medicine and gear has become astronomically expensive.

Bureaucrats have erected too many roadblocks driven by greed.

UGLs offer a much better alternative, and I honestly feel more comfortable going this route.

Not to mention, the UGL market is surprisingly self-regulating and often provides excellent customer service. Well some—not all.:LOL:
 
tommygunz said:
I can tell you this much. I’ve used both back to back and the generic stuff is no comparison to Serostim. I’ve taken whole vials of whatever color tops at a time, for a long time, there’s no way I’d be able to do that with pharmaceutical HGH.
I used Serostim and was tested by a doctor for 10 years and the first time I used generics I knew the difference.
I will say that most all generics are about the same, but they’re not nearly as good as pharmaceutical in MY opinion.
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Words from a serious experienced vet !
Agree 1000000%
 
Doesn't serostim gave something in it that causes water retention? Could be a reason why people think it "feels" better.
 
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tommygunz said:
I can tell you this much. I’ve used both back to back and the generic stuff is no comparison to Serostim. I’ve taken whole vials of whatever color tops at a time, for a long time, there’s no way I’d be able to do that with pharmaceutical HGH.
I used Serostim and was tested by a doctor for 10 years and the first time I used generics I knew the difference.
I will say that most all generics are about the same, but they’re not nearly as good as pharmaceutical in MY opinion.
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By the way
Nice to see you still around TG . Hope all is great pal !
Been a long time and not many of us still around !!
God Bless Brother !!!!
 
Battousai said:
Doesn't serostim gave something in it that causes water retention? Could be a reason why people think it "feels" better.
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I’m not a chemist so I can’t answer that. But I will say my experience was the opposite.
Last time I used pharmaceutical HGH was a few years ago, it was Genotropin RediQuick. I switched from Meditropes and I had to dial back my dose because it worked so well. The first thing I noticed was water weight leaving.
My history with Serostim goes way back, before it was a “thing” in BB. I used therapeutic doses from my doctor for 10 years. At the time it was truly “magical” with the results. I actually felt better and got all the positive results we hope for. But cost was prohibitive, I was going through divorce. I used to have plenty of money to spend on them. That’s when I switched to generics and they felt like they did nothing but add water weight. I went from 2iu Serostim to 4iu generics and still felt they weren’t doing much.
I’ll admit that I’ve only tried 4-5 generics over the years so I can’t speak to the multitude of “tropins” that are out there. Maybe there is something I missed.
 
Battousai said:
Doesn't serostim gave something in it that causes water retention? Could be a reason why people think it "feels" better.
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It contains somatropin, sucrose and phosphoric acid. Different amounts based on different vial sizes (didn't know this actually) I've always gotten 6mg vials. I've read about generics some as well and they have different ingredients depending on the brand.

I have to admit this is way beyond my knowledge skill set. I had to research Dimer content for another member when I was repping and I'm still not sure what implication that has.
 
Night and day difference. Though I would say that some of the brands like IL and Ace Labs puretropins are excellent and come closer to pharma then many many others. ( I don't rep for those guys either fyi)
 
Pharma-grade HGH is generally considered superior to Chinese generics in terms of purity, consistency, and effectiveness. Here’s a quick breakdown:

  • Purity: Pharma-grade HGH undergoes strict quality control, ensuring minimal impurities and consistent dosing. Chinese generics can sometimes have inconsistencies in purity and potency.
  • Effectiveness: Pharma HGH reliably delivers expected results in muscle growth, fat loss, and recovery. With generics, results can vary depending on the manufacturer.
  • Side Effects: Lower-quality HGH can increase the risk of side effects like water retention, joint pain, and insulin resistance due to impurities.
  • Cost: Pharma-grade is significantly more expensive, but you're paying for reliability and safety.
If budget allows, pharma-grade HGH is the safer and more predictable option. But if you go the generic route, stick to trusted sources with good reviews. Dragonpharmastore could help ensure you're getting something reliable if you're unsure.
 
murf23 said:
Completely night and day difference.
No matter what you hear on this board or anywhere else , Chinese GH IS NOT REAL GH and simply can’t even come close to the results from legit Pharma GH.
You will hear diff but trust me don’t believe it !!
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😂. Tell me exactly how ugl gh tests the same as pharma then if it “isn’t real gh”. Back 20 years ago, maybe you’re right. Nowadays, it’s all the same shit. The only main difference in my opinion is the care and regulation during handling and shipping.
 
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Ckmeter said:
😂. Tell me exactly how ugl gh tests the same as pharma then if it “isn’t real gh”. Back 20 years ago, maybe you’re right. Nowadays, it’s all the same shit. The only main difference in my opinion is the care and regulation during handling and shipping.
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Even the shipping and handling conditions thing has been debunked to play a factor in the quality of GH. Which is a point in favor of generics. I will say however from my experience that not all generics are the same and I’m also not sure purity and dimer testing paint the whole picture. I’ve had generics with great testing results give me hell to reconstitute and give crippling cts at low doses. Others give cts at medium doses talking 6-8 which is a little more normal, currently using iron lion and haven’t experienced cts yet at 4ish iu, the reconstitution is not perfect however takes some swirling around. Serostim never gave me cts most I used was 8iu and by the time I finish pushing the water there’s nothing left to swirl. If purity and dimers show everything, then how is there differences in product that all roams around 96,97 98 pure?

Again not gobbling on pharma, I like it just can’t really afford it. Currently I like iron lion, but I’ve had some GH with really good testing definitely underperform or kill my hands. Why if it’s all the same?
 
The problem is that we want to view these things as completely black and white, no grey area.
Doesnt work like that.

Some guys can use 1g of test, look full and hard and lean. Other guys use 500mg and bloat and looks gross, oily, etc. GH is the same way. We all have a different individual response. IF you seem to have a genetic propensity to only respond to Pharma....well that shit sucks for you and your wallet. MOST guys probably live in the middle. AND..with living in that middle, it comes down to again price and bang for your buck. If pharma were 5-10x noticibly better than a good generic (and there are no shortage of good generics now), than i would get it. But it doesnt seem to be like that for most guys.

Chances are, the freaks of the freaks can take just about any gear dosage AND generic and grow like a weed.
So realistically, play around with both and see what works. For instance, i ran 10iu a day this entire offseason...a brie period of 15iu — all generic. Now going into prep, i'm actually switching over to 1/2 pharma and 1/2 generics (different sponsor). I'm very interested in seeing the difference as usually, i dont notice too much.

Also, if you're just a regular gym rat, there is 0 point in buying pharma gh lol. Like zerroooo. 5iu of generic will give u exaactly what you want.
 
Theotherone55 said:
The problem is that we want to view these things as completely black and white, no grey area.
Doesnt work like that.

Some guys can use 1g of test, look full and hard and lean. Other guys use 500mg and bloat and looks gross, oily, etc. GH is the same way. We all have a different individual response. IF you seem to have a genetic propensity to only respond to Pharma....well that shit sucks for you and your wallet. MOST guys probably live in the middle. AND..with living in that middle, it comes down to again price and bang for your buck. If pharma were 5-10x noticibly better than a good generic (and there are no shortage of good generics now), than i would get it. But it doesnt seem to be like that for most guys.

Chances are, the freaks of the freaks can take just about any gear dosage AND generic and grow like a weed.
So realistically, play around with both and see what works. For instance, i ran 10iu a day this entire offseason...a brie period of 15iu — all generic. Now going into prep, i'm actually switching over to 1/2 pharma and 1/2 generics (different sponsor). I'm very interested in seeing the difference as usually, i dont notice too much.

Also, if you're just a regular gym rat, there is 0 point in buying pharma gh lol. Like zerroooo. 5iu of generic will give u exaactly what you want.
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I remember seeing Martin fitzwater laughing on ig at the Pharma vs generic debate ongoing by some of the YouTube guys. Also, laughing at those saying “I know pros and they run Pharma” 4 in the world and he uses generics from what was said.
 
I’ve been using 4iu for well over a year, Opti blacks, greys and blues. I dropped down to 2iu and can’t tell any difference. I’m starting to think my expectations of GH are too great, honestly wish it was the case . I’m tired of spending money on the shit, I’d rather have more test, I’m just a addict and afraid to give it up 🤣 I’m well aware the higher the dose the bigger the reward . Just don’t see myself going over 4iu daily
 
Astro95 said:
Even the shipping and handling conditions thing has been debunked to play a factor in the quality of GH. Which is a point in favor of generics. I will say however from my experience that not all generics are the same and I’m also not sure purity and dimer testing paint the whole picture. I’ve had generics with great testing results give me hell to reconstitute and give crippling cts at low doses. Others give cts at medium doses talking 6-8 which is a little more normal, currently using iron lion and haven’t experienced cts yet at 4ish iu, the reconstitution is not perfect however takes some swirling around. Serostim never gave me cts most I used was 8iu and by the time I finish pushing the water there’s nothing left to swirl. If purity and dimers show everything, then how is there differences in product that all roams around 96,97 98 pure?

Again not gobbling on pharma, I like it just can’t really afford it. Currently I like iron lion, but I’ve had some GH with really good testing definitely underperform or kill my hands. Why if it’s all the same?
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Who’s to say what bottles are sent for testing and the consistency bottle to bottle?

Dimer plays a role. I believe anecdotally some ugl gh has some sort of diuretic in it.

I have the connection for very cheap serostim and I still choose ugl gh.
 
murf23 said:
I would say 3iu pharma is better than 20 iu generic !!!
The results will be night and day difference.
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no its not ive taken serostim 3iu is nothing... im running 20iu generics right now i feel pumped 24/7

3iu of serostim i dont feel shit but if we comparing 20iu pharma vs 20iu generics then thats a different story
 
Theotherone55 said:
The problem is that we want to view these things as completely black and white, no grey area.
Doesnt work like that.

Some guys can use 1g of test, look full and hard and lean. Other guys use 500mg and bloat and looks gross, oily, etc. GH is the same way. We all have a different individual response. IF you seem to have a genetic propensity to only respond to Pharma....well that shit sucks for you and your wallet. MOST guys probably live in the middle. AND..with living in that middle, it comes down to again price and bang for your buck. If pharma were 5-10x noticibly better than a good generic (and there are no shortage of good generics now), than i would get it. But it doesnt seem to be like that for most guys.

Chances are, the freaks of the freaks can take just about any gear dosage AND generic and grow like a weed.
So realistically, play around with both and see what works. For instance, i ran 10iu a day this entire offseason...a brie period of 15iu — all generic. Now going into prep, i'm actually switching over to 1/2 pharma and 1/2 generics (different sponsor). I'm very interested in seeing the difference as usually, i dont notice too much.

Also, if you're just a regular gym rat, there is 0 point in buying pharma gh lol. Like zerroooo. 5iu of generic will give u exaactly what you want.
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im not concerned with the price
would u say 6 iu pharma is better than 9 iu generic?
 

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