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[HFO4]

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[Curlieque]

Hey y'all... new to the forum( officially see my new member thread). I'm a bible geek so I'll be checking in here and there and been wanting to comment for a bit now... so now I will

 

[heavyiron]

Augustine thought the Scriptures were absurd until he was taught to read them in light of pagan Greek philosophy. 90% of Christians have zero idea that these are all pagan Greek philosophies.

 

[heavyiron]

The word GOSPEL means "Glad Tidings" or "Good News"

Of course there is more than one Glad Tiding in the Scriptures.

For Israel, it was Glad Tidings that their Messiah had come and was bringing them a Kingdom that God had promised to them where they would rule and reign with their Messiah over the Gentile Nations and that Gentiles would be saved through their priestly ministry.

For us, the Glad Tidings is that even though Israel fell and is now considered blind by God, God will still save Gentiles through the New Creature, the Body of Christ!

Oh the depth of the riches of God!

THE GOSPEL, BY WHICH YE ARE SAVED:
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: ~1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV

 

[Curlieque]

Paul was hard to understand, as Peter said. I am in the camp (Israel so to speak) that Paul, who was a a pharisee among pharisees, taught by one of the top ones Gamaliel, became a follower of Yeshua/ Jesus and what He taught. 1Cor 11:1 Be imitators of me, even as I also am of Messiah. He knew the Word, which was the Tanakh( Torah, Prophets, Writings) in those days, probably even had it memorized as we see him quoting multiple scriptures in a few verses. After his (Paul's) Damascus road experience when he met Yeshua/ Jesus his mind changed to worship in spirit(Yeshua) and truth(The Torah)/ the faith and works. His transformation from murdering believers, to becoming a Nazerene (worshiping in spirit and truth), was quite incredible.

Even though previous churches I went to were dispensationalists and believed in replacement theology (most christianity), I believed differently that God doesn't change and His covenant still stands. Once I was taught what Paul was actually saying, I can't not unsee it, just like once you see you're Israel (grafted in), you can't unsee it all over scripture. Kind of like the Hebrew wedding model, that's something else you can't unsee it. I am in the small few percent of beleivers that thinks this way, so I am sure the vast majority in here believes what is taught everyday Sunday, and disagrees. That's ok, and we're all on the journey in this quick life. I also am a Sabbath keeper so my Friday night at sundown starts day 7- so no more work, buying, etc. until Saturday night at sundown- just as Yeshua/ Jesus did and Paul did... and all the disciples. So with that.. Shabbat Shalom brothers!

 

[HFO4]

Cool scriptures to remember how and why you're saved

ACTS 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

ACTS 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

John 14:6 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Titus 3:5 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 19:25-25 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can boast.

John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Romans 3:28 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

ACTS 16:30-33 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”
Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house.
At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized

Romans 8:38-39 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[HFO4]

John 15 in the amplified translation, just a fundamental powerhouse of His words

I am the true Vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that continues to bear fruit, He [repeatedly] prunes, so that it will bear more fruit [even richer and finer fruit]. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have given you [the teachings which I have discussed with you]. 4 Remain in Me, and I [will remain] in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself without remaining in the vine, neither can you[bear fruit, producing evidence of your faith] unless you remain in Me. 5 [b]I am the Vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him bears much fruit, for [otherwise] apart from Me [that is, cut off from vital union with Me] you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown out like a [broken off] branch, and withers and dies; and they gather such branches and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you remain in Me and My words remain in you [that is, if we are vitally united and My message lives in your heart], ask whatever you wish and it will be done for you. 8 My Father is glorified and honored by this, when you bear much fruit, and prove yourselves to be My [true] disciples. 9 I have loved you just as the Father has loved Me; remain in My love [and do not doubt My love for you]. 10 If you keep My commandments andobey My teaching, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love. 11 I have told you these things so that My joy and delight may be in you, and that your joy may be made full and complete andoverflowing.

 

[heavyiron]

Cool scriptures to remember how and why you're saved

ACTS 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

ACTS 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

John 14:6 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Titus 3:5 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

Matthew 19:25-25 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can boast.

John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Romans 3:28 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

ACTS 16:30-33 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”
Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house.
At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized

Romans 8:38-39 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Acts 2:38 is directed to the men of Israel. Peter is basically giving a murder indictment to them. Carefully read Acts 2 and notice there are no Gentiles being spoken to. Notice the faith work of water baptism in 2:38. A work directive, not faith alone. Also if you continue reading Acts you will see the resurrected Christ being preached which almost all the Jewish leaders ultimately reject. In other words the Jewish earthly kingdom was still being offered which they (the Jewish leaders) reject.

Most churches believe that the church the body of Christ began in Acts 2 but I would propose that this was still the Jewish program not the Jew/Gentile program. Much of the NT was written to the Jews, for the Jews. The Gentiles were grafted into Christ, but not in Acts 2. The grafting happened later. Once we depart Christ will resume His program with Israel. Thus keeping the covenants.

 

[Glycomann]

Jude 1​

1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, To those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ:

2 Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.

The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People​

3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.

4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings.

9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead.

13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones

15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

 

[heavyiron]

The method of salvation for today is well communicated in 1 Cor 15 in the first 4 verses but in order to understand these verses the entire chapter should be read. The means of salvation has ALWAYS been Christs shed blood but I'm focusing specifically on the method. Notice its faith alone. Faith in what?

The Risen Christ, Faith’s Reality​

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by [a]Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have [b]fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

The Risen Christ, Our Hope​

12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have [c]fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

The Last Enemy Destroyed​

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

Effects of Denying the Resurrection​

29 Otherwise, what will they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? Why then are they baptized for the dead? 30 And why do we stand in [e]jeopardy every hour? 31 I affirm, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 32 If, in the manner of men, I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantage is it to me? If the dead do not rise, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!”

33 Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.” 34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

A Glorious Body​

35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind [f]of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

40 There are also [g]celestial bodies and [h]terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made[i] of dust; the second Man is [j]the Lord from heaven. 48 As was the [k]man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we[l] shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

Our Final Victory​

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

Footnotes​

1. 1 Corinthians 15:5 Peter
2. 1 Corinthians 15:6 Died
3. 1 Corinthians 15:18 Died
4. 1 Corinthians 15:20 Died
5. 1 Corinthians 15:30 danger
6. 1 Corinthians 15:39 NU, M omit of flesh
7. 1 Corinthians 15:40 heavenly
8. 1 Corinthians 15:40 earthly
9. 1 Corinthians 15:47 earthy
10. 1 Corinthians 15:47 NU omits the Lord
11. 1 Corinthians 15:48 earthy
12. 1 Corinthians 15:49 M let us also bear
13. 1 Corinthians 15:51 hidden truth
14. 1 Corinthians 15:55 NU O Death, where is your victory? O Death, where is your sting?

 

[Thechemicals]

Corinthians...the a.d. bible. Like what 600 years after the actual bibles.

 

[heavyiron]

Corinthians...the a.d. bible. Like what 600 years after the actual bibles.

Here's something a bit older. Jesus quoted the first verse while on the cross.

A Psalm of David.​

22 My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?
Why are You so far from helping Me,
And from the words of My groaning?
2 O My God, I cry in the daytime, but You do not hear;
And in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But You are holy,
Enthroned in the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in You;
They trusted, and You delivered them.
5 They cried to You, and were delivered;
They trusted in You, and were not ashamed.
6 But I am a worm, and no man;
A reproach of men, and despised by the people.
7 All those who see Me ridicule Me;
They [b]shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 “He [c]trusted in the Lord, let Him rescue Him;
Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!”
9 But You are He who took Me out of the womb;
You made Me trust while on My mother’s breasts.
10 I was cast upon You from birth.
From My mother’s womb
You have been My God.
11 Be not far from Me,
For trouble is near;
For there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have surrounded Me;
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me.
13 They [d]gape at Me with their mouths,
Like a raging and roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water,
And all My bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It has melted [e]within Me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And My tongue clings to My jaws;
You have brought Me to the dust of death.
16 For dogs have surrounded Me;
The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me.
They[f] pierced My hands and My feet;
17 I can count all My bones.
They look and stare at Me.
18 They divide My garments among them,
And for My clothing they cast lots.
19 But You, O Lord, do not be far from Me;
O My Strength, hasten to help Me!
20 Deliver Me from the sword,
My[g] precious life from the power of the dog.
21 Save Me from the lion’s mouth
And from the horns of the wild oxen!
You have answered Me.
22 I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise Him!
All you [h]descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And fear Him, all you offspring of Israel!
24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He hidden His face from Him;
But when He cried to Him, He heard.
25 My praise shall be of You in the great assembly;
I will pay My vows before those who fear Him.
26 The poor shall eat and be satisfied;
Those who seek Him will praise the Lord.
Let your heart live forever!
27 All the ends of the world
Shall remember and turn to the Lord,
And all the families of the [i]nations
Shall worship before [j]You.
28 For the kingdom is the Lord’s,
And He rules over the nations.
29 All the prosperous of the earth
Shall eat and worship;
All those who go down to [k]the dust
Shall bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep himself alive.
30 A posterity shall serve Him.
It will be recounted of the Lord to the next generation,
31 They will come and declare His righteousness to a people who will be born,
That He has done this.

Footnotes​

1. Psalm 22:1 Heb. Aijeleth Hashahar
2. Psalm 22:7 Show contempt with their mouth
3. Psalm 22:8 LXX, Syr., Vg. hoped; Tg. praised
4. Psalm 22:13 Lit. have opened their mouths at Me
5. Psalm 22:14 Lit. in the midst of My bowels
6. Psalm 22:16 So with some Heb. mss., LXX, Syr., Vg.; MT Like a lion instead of They pierced
7. Psalm 22:20 Lit. My only one
8. Psalm 22:23 Lit. seed
9. Psalm 22:27 Gentiles
10. Psalm 22:27 So with MT, LXX, Tg.; Arab., Syr., Vg. Him
11. Psalm 22:29 Death

 

[Truckertrash]

Anyone hear read The Harbinger 1& The Harbinger 2 by Johnathan Cahn? Those 2 books opened my eyes to a lot of things and possibilities. Not sure how someone could still be a non believer after reading those. Way too much verifiable information there

 

[Milford King]

Anyone hear read The Harbinger 1& The Harbinger 2 by Johnathan Cahn? Those 2 books opened my eyes to a lot of things and possibilities. Not sure how someone could still be a non believer after reading those. Way too much verifiable information there

Yup. Got them in my bookshelf right now.

I read return of the gods by him first and then went out and bought harbinger 1 and 2 and oracle. Return of the gods was just proof that I wasn’t crazy. That the shit society is going through is the work of a malevolent supernatural spirit that has been poking and prodding since the people chose sin.

 

[Milford King]

I kind of got into an arguement with an internet Bible scholar over this…. I may be wrong about what we were arguing but I think it’s this ;

Jesus died to refresh the old covenant and issue the new covenant at the same time.. I think he was implying we as Christian’s are lawless and do not achieve salvation through unconditional and unmerited grace. We must obey Gods law both old and new. So he was saying all that stuff in Leviticus 11-19 about not eating bacon and I think that includes making my wife sleep out in the shed during her hormonal stuff too (which I’m completely fine with) but… I like ham and bacon.

Is this guy high or does he have a point? I know the Ten Commandments still apply but the old covenant for us gentiles?

 

[heavyiron]

I kind of got into an arguement with an internet Bible scholar over this…. I may be wrong about what we were arguing but I think it’s this ;

Jesus died to refresh the old covenant and issue the new covenant at the same time.. I think he was implying we as Christian’s are lawless and do not achieve salvation through unconditional and unmerited grace. We must obey Gods law both old and new. So he was saying all that stuff in Leviticus 11-19 about not eating bacon and I think that includes making my wife sleep out in the shed during her hormonal stuff too (which I’m completely fine with) but… I like ham and bacon.

Is this guy high or does he have a point? I know the Ten Commandments still apply but the old covenant for us gentiles?

Faith works for salvation is the majority view within Christianity. However in this present dispensation its faith by grace alone. Read The Plot and it will all make sense. Bacon is a go.

 

[Curlieque]

I kind of got into an arguement with an internet Bible scholar over this…. I may be wrong about what we were arguing but I think it’s this ;

Jesus died to refresh the old covenant and issue the new covenant at the same time.. I think he was implying we as Christian’s are lawless and do not achieve salvation through unconditional and unmerited grace. We must obey Gods law both old and new. So he was saying all that stuff in Leviticus 11-19 about not eating bacon and I think that includes making my wife sleep out in the shed during her hormonal stuff too (which I’m completely fine with) but… I like ham and bacon.

Is this guy high or does he have a point? I know the Ten Commandments still apply but the old covenant for us gentiles?

I think that's a journey you'll have to go on. You'll get some from both sides I'm sure, that could make you more confused. Look up dispensationalism/ replacement theology vs covenant theology. What did God's people( Israel) follow, what did Jesus follow, what did the disciples follow? It's a great question I asked myself and leaders, did my reading in scripture and followed what it said... the narrow way.

 

[heavyiron]

When my son was maybe 8 or 9 I had him memorize this passage. I suggest everyone memorize it after reading the surrounding chapters.

Eph 2

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[Curlieque]

Amen brother. I like to get/ think deep..

In verse 7 'in the ages to come'... now try to ponder on that for a minute while thinking of in Jeremiah it talks about how God knew us before we were created in this age..

 

[heavyiron]

Jesus Christ is the Word of God Who lives and abides forever, and the written Word of God testifies that HE is the One Who will be clothed with a robe dipped in blood when He comes as the Divine warrior~Judge, riding on a white horse in His might, majesty, dominion, and power, to set up His Millennial Kingdom and judge the world in righteousness.

 

[HFO4]

This teaching is life changing

Andrew Wommack

ephesians 3: 14-20

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,


Ephesians 3 the whole chapter ...

For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

 

[heavyiron]

This teaching is life changing

Andrew Wommack

ephesians 3: 14-20

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,


Ephesians 3 the whole chapter ...

For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Ephesians is an amazing letter. One of my favs.

Many years ago, I did a class on what God has made us who believe. Read through Ephesians and write down everything He has made us and then read the list out loud.

 

[heavyiron]

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[GYMnTONIC]

Jesus Christ is the Word of God Who lives and abides forever, and the written Word of God testifies that HE is the One Who will be clothed with a robe dipped in blood when He comes as the Divine warrior~Judge, riding on a white horse in His might, majesty, dominion, and power, to set up His Millennial Kingdom and judge the world in righteousness.

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I know this to be true.

I forsee that this thread is going to take a turn for the best very soon. I do truly believe and know that. I think ASF is going to see that they are a prime example as we all are as members that God seeks imperfect people with the desire to improve I suggest that this forum and other bodybuilding forums will be one of the places that God and his descendants stop by to visit. There is much love for God on this forum. Many of us are imperfect and strive to better, not just our bodies but our lives and souls.

I have always and will always call ASF my family. Though we are in End times, something will happen soon and that will all change.

Maybe an Earthquake or flood, or both!! Or maybe someone will test the blood of Jesus as seen in Golgotha and something new and exciting will happen. Rest assured ASF will be part of all of this. I know it to be true (In before the "he's truly crazy" jokes LOL)

God chooses imperfect people. He knows that perfect people do not exist and that we all fail
1. He often uses the weakest among us so that we’d know how His power works
2. He chooses flawed people because that is who we can most identify with
3. He chooses flawed people because their flaws make them see their need for a Savior
4. He chooses flawed people because they have no cause to boast
5. It is through the meek and mild that God is able to work the most beautiful of miracles.

 

[HFO4]

Ephesians is an amazing letter. One of my favs.

Many years ago, I did a class on what God has made us who believe. Read through Ephesians and write down everything He has made us and then read the list out loud.

amen bro... I love ephesians! Pauls letter tells us the truth of who we are In Christ Jesus, Gods word sets us free to walk in our spiritual blessings today...not tomorrow or not somewhere in the future, but today we have every spiritual blessing in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, we speak His word in power not religiously lacking power. When we speak Gods word, it does not return void, rather it accomplishes what God set it out to accomplish! amen Jesus!

 

[OlePhart]

Romans is considered by many the milk of the Word. Remember God chose the weak and simple and "so called" foolish things to confound the wise. Multiple fold truths are found in simple things. We don't understand. God reveals.

When a man is brought to meat and has place to expound, wisdom understanding and self control come into play for discernment, so we don't become a stumbling block to our brethren. Humility is needed here so as not to become haughty. Dangerous territory. On our faces before God is wise.

@GYMnTONIC Amen brother. He invited kings and queens and all means of royalty and they would not come. The highways and the biways are ripe. He pulled me from a fiery ditch by His grace. We should be willing to talk to ALL without condescension.

You never know when He will place something on your heart to relay to others.

God bless you all.

 

[HFO4]

Romans is considered by many the milk of the Word. Remember God chose the weak and simple and "so called" foolish things to confound the wise. Multiple fold truths are found in simple things. We don't understand. God reveals.

When a man is brought to meat and has place to expound, wisdom understanding and self control come into play for discernment, so we don't become a stumbling block to our brethren. Humility is needed here so as not to become haughty. Dangerous territory. On our faces before God is wise.

@GYMnTONIC Amen brother. He invited kings and queens and all means of royalty and they would not come. The highways and the biways are ripe. He pulled me from a fiery ditch by His grace. We should be willing to talk to ALL without condescension.

You never know when He will place something on your heart to relay to others.

God bless you all.

amen bro When we are lead to highways and byways, the power of the HOLY SPIRIT speaks words of fire straight from your mouth and sets the captives free for Jesus glory!

 

[GYMnTONIC]

Romans is considered by many the milk of the Word. Remember God chose the weak and simple and "so called" foolish things to confound the wise. Multiple fold truths are found in simple things. We don't understand. God reveals.

When a man is brought to meat and has place to expound, wisdom understanding and self control come into play for discernment, so we don't become a stumbling block to our brethren. Humility is needed here so as not to become haughty. Dangerous territory. On our faces before God is wise.

@GYMnTONIC Amen brother. He invited kings and queens and all means of royalty and they would not come. The highways and the biways are ripe. He pulled me from a fiery ditch by His grace. We should be willing to talk to ALL without condescension.

You never know when He will place something on your heart to relay to others.

God bless you all.

amen bro When we are lead to highways and byways, the power of the HOLY SPIRIT speaks words of fire straight from your mouth and sets the captives free for Jesus glory!

I suspect the forum will be blown away by what is to come shortly.

I truly don't think this. I know it to be so.

I have a feeling a cast of characters will return to the Earth for this now end times. We may see Michael, Gabriel and certainly Satan will appear. As will his lost angels.

I bet no one here even knows this, but satan is the twin of Michael the archangel, you all know that right?

Well Michaels twin is also known as Azrael. Some times people confuse him with Azazel, or call her that.

Also Gabriel is also known as Remiel, the little sister of both Michael and Azrael (twins). But Gabriel is actually called Gabriella. The name Gabriel is simply used to hide the fact she is a she. If you look at the photos of angels and Gods children, you will see photos of angels, confusion allowed, to show them as different genders or even feminine. This is because there is a combination of female and male descendants of God. Some call him Amenadiel. Some suspect Amenadiel is simply Michael. Some suspect that Amenadiel is the first son of God. And older then Michael and Azrael.

The truth not many know, but I do, because I have been shown. Many of you too, are shown things. And I can tell you this, that Azrael is also known as "lilith" at times, or Morningstar, or samael, or lucifer or satan.

What this all means is that satan is a female.

Azrael is the twin sister of Michael and she is a female. God split the chromosomes in that when Jesus Christ was born, if you notice, he only had 23 chromosomes and 1 gender chromosome aka the Y (female). What this proves is that Mary did give birth to Jesus Christ and that he was a gift from God and the immaculate conception. There was no male chromosomes or fatherly chromosomes when his blood was tested from the Tomb nearby Golgotha, which is the true crucifixion site. Atop of the hill in the city of Jerusalem.

So in the beginning it appears that God made a male and a female by splitting his own Chromosomes (don't ask me how he did this)

So therefore Michael would be 23 chromosomes and 1(x) chromosome and therefore would leave an additional 23 chromosomes and 1 ( Y ) chromosome. This means that there would be no gender balance. Michael would have fire and kick a$$ and Azrael would be an emotional, jealous, trainwreck, who was obsessed with Michael to the degree it nearly drove her to insanity. Azrael is a female and is also known as lucifer, or satan.

God made man in his own image. Because of that, we know that the split of Michael and the Twin means a male and a female.

And when azrael was cast down, aka lucifer aka satan, she was able to deceive 1/3rd of the angels to go with her. Recall they said "satan was the most handsome of all the angels". What this truly meant was to depict beauty in that era. So meaning she was the most attractive and alluring to all, which is how she deceived so many.

The apple in the garden of Eden was not a physical apple, it meant sex. Pre-marital sex. So lucifer is represented as a snake, simply because she slithers in the grass waiting to deceive. Lucifer aka satan aka azrael is not actually a serpent per se, but represented by a snake. Therefore in the garden of Eden, Azrael appeared having been cast from heaven and seduced Eve by showing her about sexual gratification. At which point Adam was also introduced to either azrael aka lucifer aka satan and had sex with her or more likely Adam entered into sin by having sex with Eve after the fact, while in the garden of Eden. This is why the Earth was thereby cursed. IT was not an actual fruit the apple that was eaten. It was that they betrayed God, via satan aka lucifer aka azrael.

This is why you see the push for all this LGBTQ ideology right now, is because it is opposed to Gods will. Also why you see the feminist movement and why you see men and family attacked in all facets of life. Many homosexuals are born the way that they are and God accepts that and they are allowed into heaven. You have a variety of reasons a male or female can be born as such. My daughters best friend was born and I have seen him since he was a baby and he is and was 100% gay from birth. HE played with dolls and girls toys since I can recall. What God considers a sin, is those that "choose" homosexuality outside of their known sexuality and many do this as a mockery or deceit to God. These people too, would be sent to hell, just as you and I , except should they repent, just like you and I, and change their actions and behaviors and accept God/Jesus Christ as their lord and savior, then they too, will go to heaven. The Bible tells us this. Even I know this and I am far from any such expert.

Ever hear the saying "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned"? This refers to Azrael. For being cast from heaven for her rebellion against God and her infatuation with Michael her twin brother. Not only that but she could not have a child, and therefore she now despises and destroys all that involves children. Look at the abortion rates. Look at the fact the govt pushes Gardasil as a "vaccine" but it causes sterilization. Why do you think abortion is so prevalent as is the known fact that organized groups kill babies in rituals. This is fact. This is the reason why.

It is a hard concept to wrap ones mind around but you will see that this is so.

This also means that Cain and abel. It means that likely Eve was demonically entered or evil was entered into her. Humans are suspectible to demons or evil, by certian actions. On Earth we know that drug use and alcohol consumption can allow an individual to allow a demon or evil entity to either enter them, or most commonly affect their thoughts and therefore actions, by mental suggestion. Aka a demon can actually cause you to have thoughts or cravings or desires and can tempt you and elicit what ever it is you are weak by. In my life, it was women. I always suffered from lust. So I had dozens of women enter my life for sexual reasons and they absolutely caused chaos and complicated my life. Every one of you have at least one temptation. Some drugs, greed, lust, envy, pride, gluttony, money, power. You name it. satan sends to you that which you are tempted by, in order to destroy you.

Adam by having sex with eve would impregnate her. This would reveal additional twins in that Cain and Abel, which is why one murdered the other.

If you research Azrael very well you will see that this is true. Also you will find that with research you will see that Gabriel is a female.

Also at the last supper, look at Davincis painting, this too, was shown to "him". Likewise we all have things shown to us. Just different things.

In this depiction there is argument that the individual to our left of him is John the Baptist. Which is not true. It is one of two women. It is either Mary Magadalene, who we know Jesus was potentially married to. Or it was Azrael in the flesh form. Depending on the time frame, satan aka azrael appeared as Lilith and even conceived a child with King Solomon. So it is possibly Lilith in this depiction.

The Bible is full of mis interpreation, often from people who mean well, but often from people who deceive.

Satans biggest trick was to convince people that "he doesn't exist". And the second biggest trick was to not allow people to know "he is actually a SHE".

Thus you see the desperate attacks on men as of late. Look at the attack on testosterone but meanwhile making men change to women. And women getting away with murder in regards to crimes, custody, illicit sex, affairs. You name it. This is the agenda of Azrael aka lucifer aka morningstar. There is deep discussions about Azrael picking and smelling flowers. This is because Azrael is Michaels twin and she is a she.

Many movies and songs and what not depict these events. A movie as simple as "Coraline" which is a childs cartoons, reveals to you what I am saying. The whole movie is symbolic of Jesus Christ, satan and everything in the vast realm of the Bible. Watch that movie closely. Coraline reveals satan in a scene. She says "one painful little blue boy" What this refers to is abortion. Painful because it is for even a fetus, blue, because it is lifeless or dead. If you look at the little blue "boy" look how petite and tiny and feminine "he" is. Look at the sexual stance of "licking" the ice cream. It infers homosexuality but it infers that the little blue boy is actually a girl. On Earth she wiil be a female who is actually preferential to males, but chooses to be a lesbian due to her hatred of God. Azrael thought she would be wiser and more cunning then God. And on Earth she possesses heavenly abiities such as Demiurgance. And she is sly and cunning like a fox. Able to deceive many.

Watch the scene. This is depicting what Azrael looked like prior to Earth and the appearance is very accurate even if for a cartoon. You shall see that "she" is hidden as a boy but dressed in old fashioned clothing to show the age. In second time the image is shown, he (she) is licking an ice cream. This is meant to be perverse and show lust and the appearance of oral sex but also gratification and contentness. This depicts her on Earth and Coraline is in the false house of lies when this image appears. In the first scene you will see he-the little blue boy in the painting (she) drops the ice cream cone and its melted and it splashes onto her chest (again perversion) but the melted ice cream now depicts that she is in hell. And thus shown by the grimace on her face. This is because the real house Coraline is in, shows the depiction that Earth is truly tainted. And that Coraline is very unhappy in her normal boring life, so she seeks to continually go through the tunnel to the other house which even if fake is in her mind "perfect" until it all unravels.
This and the whole movie is symbolic. The "other mother" is also shown to be azrael aka lucifer. It is showing you that all is hidden in plain sight. This is one of hundreds if not thousands of examples you can find in music, movies, and books, many things mainstream.

And while you may believe this is my opinion on all of this, I assure you it is not. While I am possibly the worst sinner on this platform, the fact is, that because of my faith and loyalty to God, regardless that I am the most imperfect scandalous human I know, I have been gifted, just as you all have. We each are given things, if only one can open their eyes. For me, this was shown to me to share. It is not opinion based, though if you attempt to share this at church or with holy roller types they will shut you down by regurgitating some verses and claiming superiority.


I claim inferiority but I do claim that I have been shown this. I know enough never to doubt God when he "speaks" to us.

So this is the gift of the day to ASF, that you now know satan is Azrael aka she is female

Watch at 1:38 and you will hear her talking about it, the photo changes in the movie when Coraline is in the false but beautiful house. At the end of the movie, Bobinsky says, the mice, they say you are the savior" In the video she mentions "4" boring windows. This refers to the 1 of 4 archangels. Azrael originally was one and besides Michael was the next most important Angel at the time. Coraline then says "no doors" Meaning HELL.

Now don't be fooled. I am not suggesting this knowledge or truth by watching this movie. I am simply saying this movie is very much an example of how they show you that Azrael is a she. satan is a woman. Also Azrael is often called the angel of death. Because she is.

Coraline (2009) Exploring

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Coraline (2009) Exploring

 

[heavyiron]

Many Christians have no idea what the Son of God's original name is. His name is Yeshua NOT Jesus. When the 1611 KJV was being translated they translated His name Jesus in English. Other translators copied the KJV. This happened because His Hebrew name was translated into Greek and then the Greek was translated into English. His name is Yeshua.

Yeshua: The Meaning of the Hebrew Name of Jesus

In Hebrew, a name is more than an identifying title. It represents a calling or destiny, like it did for Yeshua - which is Hebrew for Jesus.

firmisrael.org

 

[DUTCHUSA]

I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.