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heavyiron said:
However, it made me realize just how little I knew. It was a paradox. You reach a point of learning that exposes questions that you never knew existed, so it causes even more questions. Beware of folks who "have all the answers."
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That was an awesome post and I loved every bit of it. All of it, seriously. Great stuff. But I had to comment on the section above. I hit that point and struggled for a while with what to do and how to "proceed" for lack of a better term. I even considered going back to college and taking seminary courses. Even to the point I was looking into my employer paying for college classes. And that was with ZERO intent on taking a job in the ministry. Not that I would have turned one down if it presented itself...I'm sure I would have taken that as a sign. Just I wasn't looking to change careers by a long shot.

I can't say that I had a sudden great epiphany, but it was more of a constant recurring thought. "His grace is sufficient for you." Every time I reached some hurdle or outright road block, it kept coming back. It took a long time for it to sink in. I'd almost worked my way into some mental learning legalism I can't explain, but it sounds like what you are describing. I guess what I'm saying is I no longer felt the need to "know all the answers". We can no more learn all the answers than we could live a sinless life. Only God has all the answers. Another reason we are supposed to trust and have faith. It was hard for me to take myself out of the decision making process for my spiritual journey. As everyone likes to say, "all of us make up the body of Christ." But some of us are definitely just toes...and I'm ok with that.
 
This question is for everyone. Believers or unbelievers welcomed.

If you could ask God any question what would it be?
 
heavyiron said:
This question is for everyone. Believers or unbelievers welcomed.

If you could ask God any question what would it be?
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What did i ever do to you, that would make u put in me in a family/situation & poor, and not looked at like someone who deserved as much as everyone else….

Its these questions that Leeds people, when looking at every rich person in the world, to get a hardened heart and turn away a lot of times… because we are supposed to rely on his strengths, and believe in his promises, but the shit we have had to go thru in our lives sometimes makes us start to believe that maybe God isnt as loving as he makes himself out to be….

I mean i believe the whole reasoning why he had to send Jesus is because God was a “do as i say, now or u will die” type of God, and if he continued he would have seen we truly did not deserve his grace, patience etc….

I have a lot of angrier questions for God but, this is one that sits with me…


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heavyiron said:
This question is for everyone. Believers or unbelievers welcomed.

If you could ask God any question what would it be?
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Well. I admit I’m way behind the learning curve than pretty much everyone who regularly posts in this thread … and this might sound like me trying to be funny… and I’m not trying to be insensitive but I would ask God if I can take my dog with me to the afterlife. And if not, why not?

He’s a good boy and has a pure soul. I would enjoy heaven that much more if my wife, my kids and I could keep our dog.
 
heavyiron said:
This question is for everyone. Believers or unbelievers welcomed.

If you could ask God any question what would it be?
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Why? Why as creator of all things, knower of all, has everything in the universe but still craves a personal relationship with his human creation? What's missing in heaven that only humans can fullfil in God's eyes.
 
E.J.D said:
Why? Why as creator of all things, knower of all, has everything in the universe but still craves a personal relationship with his human creation? What's missing in heaven that only humans can fullfil in God's eyes.
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Thats a very good question…


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heavyiron said:
This question is for everyone. Believers or unbelievers welcomed.

If you could ask God any question what would it be?
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This is the best I could come up with.......'God, if you really exist and are the ultimate creator, then where did you come from and who created you?'
 
heavyiron said:
This question is for everyone. Believers or unbelievers welcomed.

If you could ask God any question what would it be?
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Just one? Lol...That's tough...I would like to know why it's necessary for small children to suffer from diseases like cancer..Seems like something like that should be for adults only
 

Romans 8:38-39
38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.​

 
tatertot said:

Romans 8:38-39​

38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.​

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This is awesome!!!!!!!!
 
hey, what's the deal with the celestial alignment that occurred in September of 2017? I read an article last week (can't find it now) that was talking about it matching up with Revelations 12.

"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head."

Apparently, the constellation Virgo had the sun on her shoulder and the moon at her feet during that celestial event.

Anyway, this was supposed to start a clock of 1 thousand 2 hundred and 3 score (1260) days in accordance with Rev 12:6, followed by another 1277 days before Satan was to return to earth. I wish I could fine the article because I'm not sure where this additional 1277 figure comes from. This means it will happen in September of 2024. Apparently, we're supposed to be visited by what appears to be a comet that will be visible for two weeks prior to it's arrival.

Anyone else know anything about this?
 
Necron_99 said:
hey, what's the deal with the celestial alignment that occurred in September of 2017? I read an article last week (can't find it now) that was talking about it matching up with Revelations 12.

"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head."

Apparently, the constellation Virgo had the sun on her shoulder and the moon at her feet during that celestial event.

Anyway, this was supposed to start a clock of 1 thousand 2 hundred and 3 score (1260) days in accordance with Rev 12:6, followed by another 1277 days before Satan was to return to earth. I wish I could fine the article because I'm not sure where this additional 1277 figure comes from. This means it will happen in September of 2024. Apparently, we're supposed to be visited by what appears to be a comet that will be visible for two weeks prior to it's arrival.

Anyone else know anything about this?
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It was a hot topic in 2017 but pretty sure its a nothing burger. I do believe we are close to the Tribulation but not for that reason.

The Tribulation is a 7 year period broken up into two parts hence the 3.5 years/1260 days for each part. They had 360 day years back when Daniel was written.
 
U sure about the 360 days per yr back then?


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j2048b said:
U sure about the 360 days per yr back then?


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To be honest I'm not dogmatic on the topic. Depending on the area some used a lunar calendar and some used a solar calendar but yes, BC the Jews used a 360 day calendar. There are some caveats though like adding days every so many years. Many end time guys will use multiple calendars though.

Here's a discussion you may want to check out.

A 360-Day Administrative Year in Ancient Israel: Judahite Portable Calendars and the Flood Account | Harvard Theological Review | Cambridge Core

A 360-Day Administrative Year in Ancient Israel: Judahite Portable Calendars and the Flood Account - Volume 114 Issue 4
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A Song of Ascents. Of David.​

122

I was glad when they said to me,
“Let us go into the house of the Lord.”
2 Our feet have been standing
Within your gates, O Jerusalem!
3 Jerusalem is built
As a city that is compact together,
4 Where the tribes go up,
The tribes of the Lord,
[a]To the Testimony of Israel,
To give thanks to the name of the Lord.
5 For thrones are set there for judgment,
The thrones of the house of David.
6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem:
“May they prosper who love you.
7 Peace be within your walls,
Prosperity within your palaces.”
8 For the sake of my brethren and companions,
I will now say, “Peace be within you.”
9 Because of the house of the Lord our God
I will seek your good.

Footnotes​

  1. Psalm 122:4 Or As a testimony to
 
Necron_99 said:
hey, what's the deal with the celestial alignment that occurred in September of 2017? I read an article last week (can't find it now) that was talking about it matching up with Revelations 12.

"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head."

Apparently, the constellation Virgo had the sun on her shoulder and the moon at her feet during that celestial event.

Anyway, this was supposed to start a clock of 1 thousand 2 hundred and 3 score (1260) days in accordance with Rev 12:6, followed by another 1277 days before Satan was to return to earth. I wish I could fine the article because I'm not sure where this additional 1277 figure comes from. This means it will happen in September of 2024. Apparently, we're supposed to be visited by what appears to be a comet that will be visible for two weeks prior to it's arrival.

Anyone else know anything about this?
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There's a few different ways to interpret this, along with all of Revelation. I lean toward the Preterist/Partial-Preterist view which means most (or all?) of Revelation took place in early AD. Most Christians now days are Futurists/Dispensational/Premillenial. So they would view Revelation as a future event to take place. Since you'll hear that view wherever you ask, i'll share a brief Preterist view of Rev 12.

The woman is Mary/Israel giving birth to Christ. The dragon is Satan. The sea beast is Rome. The heads and horns symbolize the line of Roman Emperors who began to act as Satan’s proxy in persecuting the Church in the time of Nero. This sixth king who “is” (Revelation 13:10) at the time of John’s writing is Nero, who also began the war against Judea in AD 66 that resulted eventually in the destruction of the Temple after Nero’s death in AD 70. “1260 days” in v. 6 and Revelation 11:3. (“42 months” of Revelation 11:2) is the arrival of the Roman army in AD66 and the seige of Jureselum in 70AD. This is the judgement of God on Israel for crucifying Christ and yet the preserving of Christians who would have fled the city because they listened to Christ in (Matt 24:16 + Mark 13:14). Common practice would have been to stay IN the city for protection, not flee.

With that said, Revelation is complicated and controversial. The overarching theme is that God is sovereign and even when we Christians are in deep pain, He is always with us. Suffering and pain and persecution is not meaningless. Christ will return someday, but we do not know when (and should NOT try to predict when). He will put an end to sin and death, the dwelling place of man will be with God. He will wipe every tear from our eye and mourning or crying or pain will be no more. O death where is your sting?

Some links below if you care to study this perspective.

Dr Greg Bahnsen - Apologia Studios
Dr Kenneth Gentry
G.B. Caird 'The Revelation of St John'
 
Psalm 22:27

All the ends of the earth shall remember, and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations, shall worship before you.
 
heavyiron said:
This question is for everyone. Believers or unbelievers welcomed. If you could ask God any question what would it be?
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heavyiron said:
This question is for everyone. Believers or unbelievers welcomed.

If you could ask God any question what would it be?
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I am a born again believer through repentance and faith in Christ finished work on the cross. I would like to know “Lord, what were you doing before anything was ever created?”
 
GYMnTONIC said:
Ok so I have a Bible. (got it in Prison actually) and it's King James Version

Wondering if we can get a thread going in here. You don't have to be religious, I wouldn't say I am, but I do believe in God, and I do think this is a super valuable book. The last books I read were 48 laws of Power and Art of Seduction both by Robert Greene and they were amazing

So I'm gonna start reading 10-15minutes a day again, bc to be quite honest, this lockdown is making me lose my mind. And I need to get some structure back in my life.

So anyways,we have some solid experts on this forum. From lockpicking, to meds, to computer hacking to mechanics, etc, etc.

You get what I am saying

Is there anyone here who is an expert in say theology, or hermeneutics or even Philosophy?

I'd like to bounce some questions off you guys, re: Interpretation. I have read the Bible in the past and I don't understand much of it.

If anyone else is in on this venture, feel free to join me. It is one of the greatest books I have read, but it has been a decade since I read it.

So I am in need of assistance!

Thanks!
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Bible's Proof must read!!
 
heavyiron said:
Anyone want to discuss JW's? Don't want to derail the other thread so let's talk here.
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Good idea. I'm kind of hoping there might actually be one or two here to give us a perspective.

I'm dusting off some brain cobwebs, but the handouts they give are the "Watchtower" ones, right? Do they still do that? I remember those were usually VERY interesting reading.
 
I will say one thing... JW's got the witness part right. I'd say they are hands down the most active when it comes to their congregation spreading the message. Can you imagine if every church was that active? They will wear out several pairs of shoes witnessing and the rest of the world stops when it's shoe lace isn't tied any more.
 
Multislacking said:
Good idea. I'm kind of hoping there might actually be one or two here to give us a perspective.

I'm dusting off some brain cobwebs, but the handouts they give are the "Watchtower" ones, right? Do they still do that? I remember those were usually VERY interesting reading.
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Yes they still hand out that content. I would say JW's are excellent Bible students but are stuck in a previous dispensation. Namely faith works.

The New World Translation does modify a few key verses to favor their doctrines, but you could preach/teach out of the NWT if needed.
 

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