Bible Thread

[heavyiron]

I believe you're referencing Matthew 25:13? "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour."

The context of Matt 25 is the final judgement. Since we are all by nature slaves to sin and deserving of God's wrath, we must run to Christ as our saviour while there's still time!

I believe the 'watching and waiting' as noted in the parable of the 10 virgins is that everyone is on the brink of eternity; judgement or life awaits us. Our life is but a vapor. Christ has appointed a day when He will judge all men, so we ought to repent and believe the Gospel NOW rather than wait until tomorrow or next year (and could be caught 'not watching' because we died or Christ returns).

I understand looking at the events of the world and trying to fit it into Revelation/apocalyptic prophecy. I grew up surrounded by it. Unfortunately, it seems to paralyze Christians and focuses on fear. I know people who have not had families, or encouraged their kids to not attend college because "the end is near." This is contradictory to the Scripture where Christ has been given all authority and told us to go into all the parts of the world conquering with the Gospel.

If a person took an honest look at where the world was before Christ, and were we are now, you'd see in the last 2,000 years the world had gotten remarkably better.... fulfilling Isaiah 2:2-4 where during the last days many people will be flowing into God's kingdom eventually culminating in world peace.
Matt 13:31–33 shows the Kingdom starts small (as a mustard seed) and growing until eventually dominating the world.


Not trying to start an argument or hurt feelings. But I see the premillenial view promoted by many these days. Just trying to bring balance and rightly divide the Word of God.

No, I was not referencing Matthew 25 at all. I think it's a mistake to build theological positions on parables alone. It's a common practice among Christians unfortunately. Parables are typically made-up earthly stories to teach spiritual truths. They are like analogies but taken too far analogies can break down. I honestly don't want to go back and forth about Matthew 25 because it's your straw man argument.

In my personal journey to understand God and His Word I have decided I cannot stand before my creator and tell him I did not take His words literally. I tend to be a literalist unless there is good reason not to take passages that way. Obviously, some passages are poetic or are clearly metaphors. I just think it's a mistake to build theological positions on those passages without other supporting passages. In my experience many Christians do not take the scriptures literally even when it appears to be a literal passage. I understand why but it's not for me. Think about standing before God and explaining to Him why you did not take His word literally. As a result, I tend to shy away from Revelation for building theological positions. It's just so full of metaphor and strange writings that it becomes way too subjective to interpret. However, I look at each section individually because some areas of Revelation appear to be literal.

Therefore, your second straw man argument is that we try to fit our theology into Revelation, and it somehow drives paralyzing fear. I can honestly say I cannot wait for His return, mostly because I am tired of the constant corruption that surrounds us. When Christ returns the corruption will be gone. We will finally have a righteous and just and holy leader who enforces justice and good to all. I long for that day.

The passage I was thinking of is in 1 Thessalonians chapter 5. I would read the entire book to get context. Might read 2 Thessalonians also.

btw one frequent mistake Christians make is they equate the word "salvation" every time in scripture as salvation from hell. They also interpret the word "wrath" as the wrath of hell. Salvation and wrath can refer to other things.

Anyway, I sincerely pray that your knowledge and understanding of the One who made us, and His word will increase in His love. We will all be students of His word our entire lives. Maybe longer.

 

[Multislacking]

I can honestly say I cannot wait for His return,

Amen.

Do you ever wonder about things? Like the passage where the saints cry out and ask how much longer? I mean, I feel like the day is already appointed. But...what if all we are waiting on is majority vote?

 

[heavyiron]

Amen.

Do you ever wonder about things? Like the passage where the saints cry out and ask how much longer? I mean, I feel like the day is already appointed. But...what if all we are waiting on is majority vote?

The passage that has recently struck me in that vein is the following.

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

I wonder how close we are to the fullness of the Gentiles coming in.

 

[heavyiron]

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[tatertot]

No, I was not referencing Matthew 25 at all. I think it's a mistake to build theological positions on parables alone. It's a common practice among Christians unfortunately. Parables are typically made-up earthly stories to teach spiritual truths. They are like analogies but taken too far analogies can break down. I honestly don't want to go back and forth about Matthew 25 because it's your straw man argument.

.....

Anyway, I sincerely pray that your knowledge and understanding of the One who made us, and His word will increase in His love. We will all be students of His word our entire lives. Maybe longer.

That's some good insight and I appreciate your words of wisdom. Come Lord Jesus, come quickly! He is the only hope for us Christians.

I apologize for thinking you were referencing Matt 25. Your wording seemed the same. My mistake. Havent read 1+2 Thess in a while so I'll do that

I want to clarify that I seek to take all of scripture into account and It alone is the final authority.
Sola Scriptura!
You mentioned taking the Bible literally, and on that we agree! I'd add that much truth is conveyed through figurative expressions.

Here's some literal verses to support the view where the world is more Christianized, rather than plunging itself into destruction.

(Matt. 13:33) The parable of leaven teaches the universal extension and triumph of the Gospel, through the gradual development of the Kingdom.

The Kingdom of heaven, like leaven, transforms that with which it comes in contact. All the meal was transformed by its contact with the leaven. Similarly, Christ teaches, society is to be transformed by the Kingdom of heaven, and the result will be a Christianized world.

I'll leave these passages taken from the whole of Scripture without much exegesis so this post doesnt become a book:

Matt 28:18-20 > The Gospel goes forth and by Christ's power converts nations to Disciples.

Ps. 86:9, Ps. 22:27,Ps. 2:8 > conversion of nations
Ps 47 > sovereignty of God, and of His rulership over the nations.
Ps 72 > Universal reign of Christ

Isaiah 2:2,3 ... In Hebrews "Mount Zion," (Heb 12:22) God's holy mountain, is spiritualized to mean the Church. The Church, having attained a position so that it stands out like a mountain on a plain, will be prominent and regulative in all world affairs.


The New Testament puts a strong emphasis on the fact that it is the world that is the object of Christ's redemption (I'm not making a case for universalism...) -
John 1:29 > "Behold the Lamb of God, that takes away the sin of the world!"
II Cor. 5:19 > "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself"
1 John 2:2, John 3:16, 17, 1 John 4:14, John 4:42, John 8:12, etc.

 

[heavyiron]

That's some good insight and I appreciate your words of wisdom. Come Lord Jesus, come quickly! He is the only hope for us Christians.

I apologize for thinking you were referencing Matt 25. Your wording seemed the same. My mistake. Havent read 1+2 Thess in a while so I'll do that

I want to clarify that I seek to take all of scripture into account and It alone is the final authority.
Sola Scriptura!
You mentioned taking the Bible literally, and on that we agree! I'd add that much truth is conveyed through figurative expressions.

Here's some literal verses to support the view where the world is more Christianized, rather than plunging itself into destruction.

(Matt. 13:33) The parable of leaven teaches the universal extension and triumph of the Gospel, through the gradual development of the Kingdom.

The Kingdom of heaven, like leaven, transforms that with which it comes in contact. All the meal was transformed by its contact with the leaven. Similarly, Christ teaches, society is to be transformed by the Kingdom of heaven, and the result will be a Christianized world.

I'll leave these passages taken from the whole of Scripture without much exegesis so this post doesnt become a book:

Matt 28:18-20 > The Gospel goes forth and by Christ's power converts nations to Disciples.

Ps. 86:9, Ps. 22:27,Ps. 2:8 > conversion of nations
Ps 47 > sovereignty of God, and of His rulership over the nations.
Ps 72 > Universal reign of Christ

Isaiah 2:2,3 ... In Hebrews "Mount Zion," (Heb 12:22) God's holy mountain, is spiritualized to mean the Church. The Church, having attained a position so that it stands out like a mountain on a plain, will be prominent and regulative in all world affairs.


The New Testament puts a strong emphasis on the fact that it is the world that is the object of Christ's redemption (I'm not making a case for universalism...) -
John 1:29 > "Behold the Lamb of God, that takes away the sin of the world!"
II Cor. 5:19 > "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself"
1 John 2:2, John 3:16, 17, 1 John 4:14, John 4:42, John 8:12, etc.

No worries at all. I'm sometimes cryptic in my responses on purpose because I doubt I will persuade anyone who is entrenched, and I would rather them set their minds on Him not on an argument. Many times I drop the conversation because it's clear the responder is not teachable.

I know you probably know this but for those following along I need to make something clear. Imagine receiving a 5-page letter in the mail from your boss. Would you read the entire letter, or would you skip to the 5th page and read the 6th sentence only? 1 Thessalonians repeats a concept over and over at the end of each chapter so it's critical to read 1 Thessalonians 5:6 in the entire context of the whole letter.

Progressive Christianity has taken over many of our churches and seminaries. Until 2 years ago I had no idea how bad it was. The church is slipping into the woke theologies of false doctrines. There are a few good videos and books out there that document this. The core issue is they are not placing scripture in the highest regard. Therefore, I agree that scripture alone is the only foundation for our beliefs.

It would be a very long and tedious case to lay out, but I believe the Kingdom offered was ultimately rejected by the Jewish leaders in Acts 7 and Christ set them aside, and this is why the dispensation of the Grace of God was shown to Paul. God had to show Peter this in Acts 10 as the ceremonial laws were abrogated. After the Grace Dispensation is over (fullness of the Gentiles coming in) God will then resume the Kingdom program with the Jews and those who proselytize to Christian Judaism.

I believe our hope is heavenly not earthly.

 

[Multislacking]

Progressive Christianity has taken over many of our churches and seminaries. Until 2 years ago I had no idea how bad it was. The church is slipping into the woke theologies of false doctrines.

It's been heading this way since the 1950's, but it has really snowballed and taken a steep decline in the last 20-30 years. As a kid, I can remember going to church and some of those old fashioned tent type revivals (although some were held in American Legions, etc). They preached the end was coming, the government would force the mark on you, etc, etc. And those same churches are the first ones that rolled over when the vax came out. So much for not trusting Big Brother and maintaining church sovereignty. It's really mind blowing.

 

[heavyiron]

It's been heading this way since the 1950's, but it has really snowballed and taken a steep decline in the last 20-30 years. As a kid, I can remember going to church and some of those old fashioned tent type revivals (although some were held in American Legions, etc). They preached the end was coming, the government would force the mark on you, etc, etc. And those same churches are the first ones that rolled over when the vax came out. So much for not trusting Big Brother and maintaining church sovereignty. It's really mind blowing.

Oh, I totally agree but I am referring to more current perversions in the church like Marxism, BLM, trans ideology and gender confusion. Its literally being taught in what once was rock solid seminaries and churches. Love is love or God is a woman type of thing.

 

[Multislacking]

Oh, I totally agree but I am referring to more current perversions in the church like Marxism, BLM, trans ideology and gender confusion. Its literally being taught in what once was rock solid seminaries and churches. Love is love or God is a woman type of thing.

Oh yeah, for sure. Hard to believe churches rolled over on the lgbqt+ and women stuff as quickly as they did. At least corporate wise. I know there are holdouts and divisions within any organization. I didn't think I'd see them embrace as much as they have in just my lifetime.

But hey...the Israelites were bored and making a golden calf in like two weeks...so I guess I get it.

 

[heavyiron]

“But even now,” declares the Lord, “return to me with all your heart— with fasting, crying, and mourning.”
Tear your hearts, not your clothes. Return to the Lord your God.
He is merciful and compassionate, patient, and always ready to forgive and to change his plans about disaster.
Joel 2:12 - 13

 

[Milford King]

Oh yeah, for sure. Hard to believe churches rolled over on the lgbqt+ and women stuff as quickly as they did. At least corporate wise. I know there are holdouts and divisions within any organization. I didn't think I'd see them embrace as much as they have in just my lifetime.

But hey...the Israelites were bored and making a golden calf in like two weeks...so I guess I get it.

The devil has his ways. Evil is a persistent little guy.

 

[E.J.D]

Jeremiah 29:11-13
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. 12 Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. 13 And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.

 

[tatertot]

Matthew 20:25-28

But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. 26 It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever would be first among you must be your slave, 28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

 

[tatertot]

Belgic Confession

Article 26: Of Christ's Intercession

We believe that we have no access unto God, but alone through the only Mediator and Advocate, Jesus Christ the righteous, who therefore became man, having united in one person the divine and human natures, that we men might have access to the divine Majesty, which access would otherwise be barred against us. But this Mediator, whom the Father has appointed between him and us, ought in no wise to affright us by his majesty, or cause us to seek another according to our fancy. For there is no creature either in heaven or on earth who loveth us more than Jesus Christ; who, though he was in the form of God, yet made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a man, and of a servant for us, and was made like unto his brethren in all things.
If then we should seek for another Mediator, who would be well affected towards us, whom could we find, who loved us more than he, who laid down his life for us, even when we were his enemies? And if we seek for one who hath power and majesty, who is there that has so much of both as he who sits at the right hand of his Father, and who hath all power in heaven and on earth? And who will sooner be heard than the own well beloved Son of God?

Jesus Christ was made like unto his brethren in all things, that he might be a merciful and faithful High Priest, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered, being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted; and further to encourage us, he adds, seeing then that we have a great High Priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast the profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

What more can be required? since Christ himself saith, I am the way and the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me. To what purpose would we then seek another advocate, since it has pleased God, to give us his own Son as an advocate? Let us not forsake him to take another, or rather to seek after another, without ever being able to find him; for God well knew, when he gave him to us, that we were sinners.

 

[heavyiron]

 

[heavyiron]

that there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it;

or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

1 Corinthians 12:25 - 27

 

[killagorilla]

So, gentlemen, I mentioned this previously in another forum, and a few of the responses I got were kind of like, "What are you even talking about, bro???" But I'll try again because I'm sold out to my Lord and I won't back down from hard questions, EVER. If this offends anyone, my apologies. I can take my questions somewhere else if I need to. Here goes:
How do you, as men of God, Christians, rectify using gear with your faith? It's not a "necessary expense" and it typically violates the "law of the land". I have my own personal answer to this, but I still question my often motives and thinking and would like to hear from other men who are sold out for Jesus AND use PED's.
And....go.

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[killagorilla]

Often question my motives

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[Multislacking]

So, gentlemen, I mentioned this previously in another forum, and a few of the responses I got were kind of like, "What are you even talking about, bro???" But I'll try again because I'm sold out to my Lord and I won't back down from hard questions, EVER. If this offends anyone, my apologies. I can take my questions somewhere else if I need to. Here goes:
How do you, as men of God, Christians, rectify using gear with your faith? It's not a "necessary expense" and it typically violates the "law of the land". I have my own personal answer to this, but I still question my often motives and thinking and would like to hear from other men who are sold out for Jesus AND use PED's.
And....go.

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Not even an issue, imho. When people had problems getting the big 10 right, Jesus dumbed it down even further. Love God, love your neighbor. PED use is so far down the list, I'm not sure it even exists. I mean, do you ever speed? Run a yellow light? I'm confident people aren't going to hell for injecting test. Tren maybe, but not test. Kidding. Now if injecting tren makes you cheat on your wife, then yeah, it's probably not the thing for you. I guess you could put that under the "stumbling block" category. But if it's not a stumbling block, then what is the issue?

 

[killagorilla]

I'm obviously not talking about going to hell, my friend. You're right, His grace is expansive and covers a multitude of sins. We're no longer under the law and we have great freedoms, if our conscience allows. So far, my conscience has allowed. What I am talking about is being sold out in every area of my life and putting absolutely nothing on my priority list before him. It's a constant battle for me. I have to check my motives every single day because I can easily give these "insignificant pursuits" more importance than I give, seeking his will. Hope all that made some kinda sense.

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[Multislacking]

I'm obviously not talking about going to hell, my friend. You're right, His grace is expansive and covers a multitude of sins. We're no longer under the law and we have great freedoms, if our conscience allows. So far, my conscience has allowed. What I am talking about is being sold out in every area of my life and putting absolutely nothing on my priority list before him. It's a constant battle for me. I have to check my motives every single day because I can easily give these "insignificant pursuits" more importance than I give, seeking his will. Hope all that made some kinda sense.

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Ah, gotcha. I have a friend who thinks similarly. And he's struggling with divorce right now. I think it's prudent to judge the things we do and each person has to decide for themselves. In my walk, I may feel convicted for something that someone else would think nothing of. Or I may think nothing of it, and for someone else it IS that stumbling block. So...do you honestly feel like ped use is a stumbling block for you? Is it truly interfering with your spiritual journey? Or is it just something you do in your daily routine, like going to work, eating, chores, etc?

 

[orangejuicemilk]

While I'm not an expert in theology or hermeneutics myself, I'm sure there are others in this community who are knowledgeable in those areas and would be willing to help answer your questions and provide some guidance as you dive deeper into the Bible.

Don't be afraid to ask for help or clarification if you come across something that you don't understand. It's a complex book with a lot of different interpretations, and sometimes it takes multiple perspectives to fully grasp the meaning behind certain passages.

 

[heavyiron]

So, gentlemen, I mentioned this previously in another forum, and a few of the responses I got were kind of like, "What are you even talking about, bro???" But I'll try again because I'm sold out to my Lord and I won't back down from hard questions, EVER. If this offends anyone, my apologies. I can take my questions somewhere else if I need to. Here goes:
How do you, as men of God, Christians, rectify using gear with your faith? It's not a "necessary expense" and it typically violates the "law of the land". I have my own personal answer to this, but I still question my often motives and thinking and would like to hear from other men who are sold out for Jesus AND use PED's.
And....go.

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If you think it's a problem, then obviously it's a problem for you. Focus on YOUR journey. Sounds like you are being convicted.

I have a legit USA script and rarely if ever exceed that these days. Too many injuries.

 

[tatertot]

So, gentlemen, I mentioned this previously in another forum, and a few of the responses I got were kind of like, "What are you even talking about, bro???" But I'll try again because I'm sold out to my Lord and I won't back down from hard questions, EVER. If this offends anyone, my apologies. I can take my questions somewhere else if I need to. Here goes:
How do you, as men of God, Christians, rectify using gear with your faith? It's not a "necessary expense" and it typically violates the "law of the land". I have my own personal answer to this, but I still question my often motives and thinking and would like to hear from other men who are sold out for Jesus AND use PED's.
And....go.

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I'll toss my 2 cents in because I've been chatting with a friend about this. Here's where I usually land as a Christian:

1. Do we obey all laws to the letter? I do not. When driving i usually drive 5mph over speed limit, dont always complete stop at STOP signs etc... When working on my house I dont always pull a city permit. and dont get me started on firearms... Should that be the case? Should I obey every law to the letter? probably...

2. Medicine and treatment. During the covid scam, I bought "illegal" ivermectin (without a script) because I believe the government is corrupted by money and pharma. Me and my family's health is more important than following their law. (again, possibly sin according to Rom 13...)

3. Hormones are not generally understood or accepted by most healthcare professionals. Testosterone especially. I learned much from reading and taught (in a way) my doctor about hormones. My case is a unique medical situation involving chronic pain..... I wish I would have gotten on TRT 10 years ago as low T was the source of a lot of my problems....

Other hormones such as Anavar, Primobolon, Nandralone, etc have incredible healing properties and benefits, but Dr's dont understand them and (i believe) pharma doesnt want people to. This likely contributes to them being class 3(or4?).
Additionally, Dr's dont want to get sued or lose their license.
Plus, why fix the root cause of people's problems when you can write them a script for anxiety or depression meds and have a life-long customer that just deteriorates and has to buy more drugs?

3b. Hormone clinics are becoming more popular, and I would love to find one to work with a professional "above board" rather than underground

4. (not a strong argument but) If I do "steroids" I'm causing no harm to others. Kind of like drinking or smoking or eating food sacrificed to idols; we have Christian liberty. With the caveat that not all things are beneficial. I dont drink around some of my brothers because it may cause them to stumble. In a similar way, I dont offer or sell gear to people... and i encourage most to stay away from it.


Anyway, it could be my own sin nature blinding me (the heart IS deceitful) but these are some high level thoughts

 

[killagorilla]

I'll toss my 2 cents in because I've been chatting with a friend about this. Here's where I usually land as a Christian:

1. Do we obey all laws to the letter? I do not. When driving i usually drive 5mph over speed limit, dont always complete stop at STOP signs etc... When working on my house I dont always pull a city permit. and dont get me started on firearms... Should that be the case? Should I obey every law to the letter? probably...

2. Medicine and treatment. During the covid scam, I bought "illegal" ivermectin (without a script) because I believe the government is corrupted by money and pharma. Me and my family's health is more important than following their law. (again, possibly sin according to Rom 13...)

3. Hormones are not generally understood or accepted by most healthcare professionals. Testosterone especially. I learned much from reading and taught (in a way) my doctor about hormones. My case is a unique medical situation involving chronic pain..... I wish I would have gotten on TRT 10 years ago as low T was the source of a lot of my problems....

Other hormones such as Anavar, Primobolon, Nandralone, etc have incredible healing properties and benefits, but Dr's dont understand them and (i believe) pharma doesnt want people to. This likely contributes to them being class 3(or4?).
Additionally, Dr's dont want to get sued or lose their license.
Plus, why fix the root cause of people's problems when you can write them a script for anxiety or depression meds and have a life-long customer that just deteriorates and has to buy more drugs?

3b. Hormone clinics are becoming more popular, and I would love to find one to work with a professional "above board" rather than underground

4. (not a strong argument but) If I do "steroids" I'm causing no harm to others. Kind of like drinking or smoking or eating food sacrificed to idols; we have Christian liberty. With the caveat that not all things are beneficial. I dont drink around some of my brothers because it may cause them to stumble. In a similar way, I dont offer or sell gear to people... and i encourage most to stay away from it.


Anyway, it could be my own sin nature blinding me (the heart IS deceitful) but these are some high level thoughts

All excellent points, T!!! I like it!! Some real wisdom there. Thank you, my friend. I appreciate your thoughts.

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[killagorilla]

Ah, gotcha. I have a friend who thinks similarly. And he's struggling with divorce right now. I think it's prudent to judge the things we do and each person has to decide for themselves. In my walk, I may feel convicted for something that someone else would think nothing of. Or I may think nothing of it, and for someone else it IS that stumbling block. So...do you honestly feel like ped use is a stumbling block for you? Is it truly interfering with your spiritual journey? Or is it just something you do in your daily routine, like going to work, eating, chores, etc?

It used to be an idol, no doubt. Now I'm a little (or a lot) older and, hopefully, a bit wiser. I won't allow it to become an idol ever again. And to answer your question, if I'm not focused, I could forget a weekly dose, so it's become just part of a routine. When I'm at mile 7 of a 10 mile trail race, though, or knocking out my final set of squats, I remember it then....and I'm glad it's in my blood.
Thanks. Those were good questions to ponder.
Golly!! This was time well spent, lads. Thank you!!!

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[heavyiron]

I'll toss my 2 cents in because I've been chatting with a friend about this. Here's where I usually land as a Christian:

1. Do we obey all laws to the letter? I do not. When driving i usually drive 5mph over speed limit, dont always complete stop at STOP signs etc... When working on my house I dont always pull a city permit. and dont get me started on firearms... Should that be the case? Should I obey every law to the letter? probably...

2. Medicine and treatment. During the covid scam, I bought "illegal" ivermectin (without a script) because I believe the government is corrupted by money and pharma. Me and my family's health is more important than following their law. (again, possibly sin according to Rom 13...)

3. Hormones are not generally understood or accepted by most healthcare professionals. Testosterone especially. I learned much from reading and taught (in a way) my doctor about hormones. My case is a unique medical situation involving chronic pain..... I wish I would have gotten on TRT 10 years ago as low T was the source of a lot of my problems....

Other hormones such as Anavar, Primobolon, Nandralone, etc have incredible healing properties and benefits, but Dr's dont understand them and (i believe) pharma doesnt want people to. This likely contributes to them being class 3(or4?).
Additionally, Dr's dont want to get sued or lose their license.
Plus, why fix the root cause of people's problems when you can write them a script for anxiety or depression meds and have a life-long customer that just deteriorates and has to buy more drugs?

3b. Hormone clinics are becoming more popular, and I would love to find one to work with a professional "above board" rather than underground

4. (not a strong argument but) If I do "steroids" I'm causing no harm to others. Kind of like drinking or smoking or eating food sacrificed to idols; we have Christian liberty. With the caveat that not all things are beneficial. I dont drink around some of my brothers because it may cause them to stumble. In a similar way, I dont offer or sell gear to people... and i encourage most to stay away from it.


Anyway, it could be my own sin nature blinding me (the heart IS deceitful) but these are some high level thoughts

Ivermectin is OTC at Tractor Supply. Or you can get "human grade" at a variety of clinics with a legit script. Same with TRT if you are over 25.

 

[killagorilla]

If you think it's a problem, then obviously it's a problem for you. Focus on YOUR journey. Sounds like you are being convicted.

I have a legit USA script and rarely if ever exceed that these days. Too many injuries.

No, not really convicted. Just checking my thinking, my heart, and my motives. I let Him know on a regular basis that if he so directs me, it's gone in a flash, along with any of my other worldly pursuits . I'm determined to stay in the blessed place I'm in right now.

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[heavyiron]

No, not really convicted. Just checking my thinking, my heart, and my motives. I let Him know on a regular basis that if he so directs me, it's gone in a flash, along with any of my other worldly pursuits . I'm determined to stay in the blessed place I'm in right now.

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Might meditate on Romans chapter 13 and chapter 14.

 

[killagorilla]

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