What is your go-to AI & why? Tamoxifen, Raloxifene, Proviron & Mast included...

[Vision]

What is your go-to AI & why?
If you do use or had to use an AI what would it be, and why? Just for conversation...
Your personal pros and cons...
Some AI's are just terrible for your health and markers , yet the reason I'm bringing this up, some guys swear by these exact AI's that have terrible sides and others won't go near them and will look elsewhere..

We can add Tamoxifen and Raloxifene into the chat, not an AI - clearly, used to assist...
If you use mast/proviron with keeping estro low, low SHBG, higher free T and no need for AI's and so on, feel free to mention if you prefer those for whatever your reason..

 

[Battousai]

Well any DHT just for better well being. But aromasin is the easiest AI on your system I guess. I want to to start implementing it regularly into my routine. Currently using nolvadex to bring down the gyno from high doses of tren I was using for a couple weeks. Jeez I wasn't even using any DHT's but a provi a day, I gotta get back to the basics and remember to balance things out more.

Killing it with the topics recently Vision.

 

[Vision]

Well any DHT just for better well being. But aromasin is the easiest AI on your system I guess. I want to to start implementing it regularly into my routine. Currently using nolvadex to bring down the gyno from high doses of tren I was using for a couple weeks. Jeez I wasn't even using any DHT's but a provi a day, I gotta get back to the basics and remember to balance things out more.

Killing it with the topics recently Vision.

Great feedback, good stuff man.. I wouldn't say killing it with the topics, once upon a time it's all I ever did was write, post articles and have conversations, so I'm trying to get back into my old ways.. I miss having long conversations, hearing different perspectives and learning new things from other people..
There's so much to learn in these conversations with taking snippets and fragments of what everyone says in trying to find out what works best for ourselves.
Feedback, is so important from everybody. No one is right and no one is wrong. At the end of the day we are our very own science experiments.

 

[Battousai]

Great feedback, good stuff man.. I wouldn't say killing it with the topics, once upon a time it's all I ever did was write, post articles and have conversations, so I'm trying to get back into my old ways.. I miss having long conversations, hearing different perspectives and learning new things from other people..
There's so much to learn in these conversations with taking snippets and fragments of what everyone says in trying to find out what works best for ourselves.
Feedback, is so important from everybody. No one is right and no one is wrong. At the end of the day we are our very own science experiments.

Yeah I'm big into nutrition and wanted to do some write ups but just haven't got around to it. Need to structure my time better.

For a good way to take a 1:1 ratio of test to dht. 200mg of test could use 200mg primo or masteron. I also like to run 25-50mg of provi a day regardless. I also want to start using 5-10mg of aromasin ED. Perhaps if using something that aromatizes like tren or dbol you could incease aromasin dosages and add nolvadex to stop gyno. Otherwise I might just start using nolvadex once my puffy nips are gone just once or twice a week.

 

[Phill]

Yeah I'm big into nutrition and wanted to do some write ups but just haven't got around to it. Need to structure my time better.

For a good way to take a 1:1 ratio of test to dht. 200mg of test could use 200mg primo or masteron. I also like to run 25-50mg of provi a day regardless. I also want to start using 5-10mg of aromasin ED. Perhaps if using something that aromatizes like tren or dbol you could incease aromasin dosages and add nolvadex to stop gyno. Otherwise I might just start using nolvadex once my puffy nips are gone just once or twice a week.

trenbolone does not aromatize

 

[Battousai]

trenbolone does not aromatize

so why would tren cause puffy nipples. high prolactin?

 

[Phill]

Trenbolone alone does not aromatize, therefore it does not increase estrogen.
It does not increase progesterone and does not increase prolactin, although it depresses thyroid hormone levels.

A whole different story if taken in combination with aromatizable steroids.
Here the interactions increase and without adequate control of estrogen with the use of an anti-aromatase, Estradiol levels increase and with them, often but not always, there is an even high increase in Prolactin.
A combined increase in estrogen (particularly estradiol) and prolactin is very often the cause of the onset of gynecomastia.

 

[Bolan]

I wouldnt use an AI unless I was going big on doses... then it would be Aromasin..
Nolvadex is always in the mix

 

[302]

so why would tren cause puffy nipples. high prolactin?

I thought nolva was a no go on tren bc could mk prolactin worse. Bro science? When I take tren at 350 I need caber. I’ll take aromasin as well. I don’t look good with tits. Primo has been great at lowering my aromasin dose to almost nothing.. I’m just starting my third week of primo..

 

[Battousai]

I thought nolva was a no go on tren bc could mk prolactin worse. Bro science? When I take tren at 350 I need caber. I’ll take aromasin as well. I don’t look good with tits. Primo has been great at lowering my aromasin dose to almost nothing.. I’m just starting my third week of primo..

Only time I got puffy nips was from running tren/test this past time from zphc, I wasn't using any dht's except 1 provi a day, yikes! No wonder it got out of control. I'm gonna get some caber too.

 

[Datsundude87]

Atm I take .25 arimidex, only because I haven't bought the trinity yet.
250 test
100 deca
10mg nolvadex 2x week
10mg exemestane once a week
That is my plan when I place an order. Nolvadex is more for my cholesterol though. Tomaxofin has shown 33% improvement in cholesterol in double blind study. Has decent half life and shows every other day dosing is just as effective as daily. So 2x week with 5 day half life should keep me straight. It's breast tissue specific anti estrogen, but why not use it to combat deca lipid destruction?

 

[Joe_256]

Mast or Primo usually keeps me good in the 5-600 test/week range. Which is the most I ever do. I run them about 2/3 whatever test is. Equal to or higher than test crashes my e2. This is per bloodwork with primo but mast does/feels the same way

Im 45 and typically blast and cruise. Blast something like 500 test, 300 mast and a little something else per week. Currently its 200 deca

Whenever I do experience high e2 symptoms I'll do 12.5 aromasin 2x week for 2-3 weeks, and nolva at the slightest nip pain. But I dont use unless needed

I do take low doses of caber with any deca or npp, like .125 week

 

[Datsundude87]

Mast or Primo usually keeps me good in the 5-600 test/week range. Which is the most I ever do. I run them about 2/3 whatever test is. Equal to or higher than test crashes my e2. This is per bloodwork with primo but mast does/feels the same way

Im 45 and typically blast and cruise. Blast something like 500 test, 300 mast and a little something else per week. Currently its 200 deca

Whenever I do experience high e2 symptoms I'll do 12.5 aromasin 2x week for 2-3 weeks, and nolva at the slightest nip pain. But I dont use unless needed

I do take low doses of caber with any deca or npp, like .125 week

What's half like like on caber? That shit is super expensive

 

[mackaveli23]

I run 200mg of mast every 7 days along with 300mg of test. If i add in something like dbol and notice a flare up ill throw in letrozole at .5mg every 3rd day until it subsides. Letro has saved me multiple times to be honest. Doesnt take much at all and will crash e2 so careful with it.

 

[Bolan]

Atm I take .25 arimidex, only because I haven't bought the trinity yet.
250 test
100 deca
10mg nolvadex 2x week
10mg exemestane once a week
That is my plan when I place an order. Nolvadex is more for my cholesterol though. Tomaxofin has shown 33% improvement in cholesterol in double blind study. Has decent half life and shows every other day dosing is just as effective as daily. So 2x week with 5 day half life should keep me straight. It's breast tissue specific anti estrogen, but why not use it to combat deca lipid destruction?

I have used Nolvadex ED for almost 30 years..
250 test and you need an AI? Bloodwork proves this?

 

[mackaveli23]

I have used Nolvadex ED for almost 30 years..
250 test and you need an AI? Bloodwork proves this?

do you use nolva for the cholesterol benefits?

 

[Bolan]

do you use nolva for the cholesterol benefits?

Not at all.... Just to keep the tits from becoming bitchy.

 

[Datsundude87]

I have used Nolvadex ED for almost 30 years..
250 test and you need an AI? Bloodwork proves this?

Prescribed AI. At .5mg ari crashed my estrogen down to 12. So I adjusted by feel. Tried not using it at all, and didn't feel as good as I did with it crashed so I adjusted from .5mg every 3.5 days. To .25 mg. Once. I have higher body fat % atm even though I have lost a person in body weight so I aromatize higher then others. Studies show that as you lose body fat your body aromatizes less. By I didn't feel as good I mean I cried watching Star Trek, felt bloated, tired, and was retaining water in joints. Definitely felt jionts lose fluid with arimidex, but the amount at .5mg surpassed what would make jionts feel better. Didn't check levels after getting testosterone from 290 into 900-1000 range with all other markers solid. Free test 25.5. RBC count ect all in normal. Was doing more like what Piana said, experiment see what works for the individual. I know floor when taking XYZ and ceiling without AI felt about same as no Trt. Long answer for a no, but there is reasoning for it.

 

[302]

Only time I got puffy nips was from running tren/test this past time from zphc, I wasn't using any dht's except 1 provi a day, yikes! No wonder it got out of control. I'm gonna get some caber too.

I had my estrogen get high and prolactin was terrible dick was broke... Caber fixed it. Some get by with p5p b-6. I unfortunately need caber. I was running my test to high as well. Seems like if you control estrogen by keeping wet compounds low and dht higher tren can be ok…. For me atleast… only sides , messes my sleep up a little bit.

 

[Battousai]

I had my estrogen get high and prolactin was terrible dick was broke... Caber fixed it. Some get by with p5p b-6. I unfortunately need caber. I was running my test to high as well. Seems like if you control estrogen by keeping wet compounds low and dht higher tren can be ok…. For me atleast… only sides , messes my sleep up a little bit.

Yeah I forgot my basics. Before this I always ran either mast, primo, or sten alongside my test and had no probs. Now I just did high test high tren no dhts. I'm thinking back like wtf was I thinking? I gotta get rid of this puffiness, doesn't hurt at least. Getting some caber and aromasin today. Already hitting myself with nolva.

 

[Bolan]

I had my estrogen get high and prolactin was terrible dick was broke... Caber fixed it. Some get by with p5p b-6. I unfortunately need caber. I was running my test to high as well. Seems like if you control estrogen by keeping wet compounds low and dht higher tren can be ok…. For me atleast… only sides , messes my sleep up a little bit.

I need caber... When I run HGH.......Pisses me off.

 

[302]

I need caber... When I run HGH.......Pisses me off.

Great… I just got a kit.. guess I need to reload my caber stash.

 

[302]

Yeah I forgot my basics. Before this I always ran either mast, primo, or sten alongside my test and had no probs. Now I just did high test high tren no dhts. I'm thinking back like wtf was I thinking? I gotta get rid of this puffiness, doesn't hurt at least. Getting some caber and aromasin today. Already hitting myself with nolva.

Let someone else chime in on the nolva and tren thing… but I believe you wanna avoid nolva . It won’t do shit for prolactin anyway. I’d take Ai and order caber or Prami..shit will fix right up.

 

[Battousai]

Let someone else chime in on the nolva and tren thing… but I believe you wanna avoid nolva . It won’t do shit for prolactin anyway. I’d take Ai and order caber or Prami..shit will fix right up.

I believe Nolvadex targets the nips directly. But fuck elevated e2 might not even be my problem, it might just bd prolactin related. I have no idea. I do go pretty heavy on my hgh as well.

 

[Bolan]

I believe Nolvadex targets the nips directly. But fuck elevated e2 might not even be my problem, it might just bd prolactin related. I have no idea. I do go pretty heavy on my hgh as well.

Your nips puffy or do you feel a lump?

 

[Battousai]

Your nips puffy or do you feel a lump?

Just puffy. No pain or lump.

 

[Wardamn]

I believe Nolvadex targets the nips directly. But fuck elevated e2 might not even be my problem, it might just bd prolactin related. I have no idea. I do go pretty heavy on my hgh as well.

When is the last time you pulled bloods?

 

[Wardamn]

I try and leverage Primo as my AI when possible. If I need some additional support I'll use arimidex or letro. Aromasin gives me some GI issues.

 

[Battousai]

When is the last time you pulled bloods?

Months ago

 

[dcdogz]

with enough primo/proviron could you negate the need for an AI in most reasonable blasts?