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This is very interesting and a learning experience , I’ve have been some more in-depth research on it and see what you mean and now understand why it has some major advantages over other carriers
Oh yeah, it's a much better option. The only reason you don't see it being used more, is because it's more difficult to source and of course the cost is significantly higher. But I'd prefer to put out a better quality product at the end of the day.
 
Oh yeah, it's a much better option. The only reason you don't see it being used more, is because it's more difficult to source and of course the cost is significantly higher. But I'd prefer to put out a better quality product at the end of the day.
My research supports everything you have said. I should have dug a bit deeper into the numbers. I have always tired to keep an open mind in life. Thanks for providing your insight and knowledge. You have changed my mind 👍
 
Cotten seed, and caster oils are the go to oils. MTC has been proven a good choice. When I see anything resembling propylene glyco in the mix I’m going to pass. Perhaps MiG 840 is safe and a maybe a better choice. Maybe it’s not. I do know caster and Cotten seed is us used by big pharma with studies to back it up. Chatpgt spits out whats it is prorgramed for. Show me the studies that says MUG840 is the way to go

We all choose the risks we are willing to take. Having options is always a good thing
@Akhunter I understand your concern given it's not as common (yet) and the fact that there is a lot of data supporting pharmaceutical applications with say cotton seed oil etc but that is with most things. There is a tipping point where an older method/product is improved and data is built against the new method/product to support or disprove the advances and/or benefits of the shift. This can result in failure but in a lot of cases things come out ahead as an advancement to current process.

I pulled in a number of medical research and pharmaceutical data sources, into Grok, comparing the common carrier oils, use by pharmaceutical companies over time including data seen in medical research on carrier oil benefits and risks.

This is summarized in a table below but I've also pasted the data leveraged to build this table at the end of this post. Couple key items stuck out to me was the shift by pharmacy to Mig840 and the health risks with all of the oils (Mig840 seemingly to have the least reported). So to your point there is a lot of data on prior carrier oils, but that data is only continuing to build out further with additional data supporting Mig as it is being leveraged further in the field.

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Summary of Common Carrier Oils in Injectable Drugs

Carrier oils play a critical role in the formulation of injectable drugs, particularly for lipophilic active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) that require solubilization for intramuscular (IM) or subcutaneous (SC) administration. These oils act as vehicles to ensure stability, controlled release, and biocompatibility, often forming depots that provide sustained drug delivery over days to weeks. In pharmaceutical and compounding pharmacy settings, the choice of carrier oil balances factors like viscosity (for ease of injection), solubility enhancement, and tissue tolerability. Common oils include sesame, soybean, and olive oils, but the focus here is on cottonseed oil, grapeseed oil, medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs), and Miglyol 840 (a propylene glycol monocaprylate, a semi-synthetic MCT variant).

Pharmaceutical companies frequently use these oils in commercial products, with cottonseed oil being one of the most established (e.g., in Pfizer's Depo-Testosterone for testosterone cypionate). Grapeseed oil is more prevalent in compounding pharmacies for custom testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) formulations due to its thinner profile. MCTs, including variants like Miglyol 840, are increasingly adopted for their low viscosity and rapid metabolism, appearing in modern TRT injectables and specialized depots for antipsychotics or hormones. Usage data from industry analyses indicate cottonseed oil in ~20-30% of oil-based IM formulations, grapeseed in ~10-15% (mostly compounded), MCTs in ~25% and rising, and Miglyol 840 in niche pharma applications (~5-10%) for high-stability needs. These oils are GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) by the FDA when refined, but risks arise from impurities, allergies, or misuse.

Cottonseed Oil
Cottonseed oil, derived from Gossypium seeds, is a longstanding pharmaceutical excipient refined to remove toxins like gossypol. It is highly common in commercial injectables, used by major firms like Pfizer for sustained-release depots in hormone therapies.

Benefits: Provides excellent solubilization for highly lipophilic drugs, enabling 2-4 week sustained release via IM depot formation as the oil slowly diffuses in muscle tissue. It offers chemical stability, compatibility with microemulsions for enhanced penetration, and cost-effectiveness in large-scale production.

Health Risks: Unrefined forms contain gossypol, aflatoxins, and cyclopropenoid fatty acids, linked to infertility (spermatogenesis inhibition in males), liver damage (elevated enzymes, hepatotoxicity), pregnancy complications (embryotoxicity), respiratory distress, and anorexia. Case reports document hypersensitivity: seven patients experienced systemic reactions (urticaria, angioedema, anaphylaxis) after ingesting supplements, with skin testing confirming IgE-mediated allergy to cottonseed protein; similar risks apply to injectables, exacerbating allergic rhinitis or asthma. Accidental veterinary injections (e.g., ceftiofur in cottonseed oil) caused deep infections, necrosis, and recurrent abscesses requiring debridement and antibiotics. Local IM reactions include pain, erythema, swelling, nodules, and furuncles; high-dose anabolic misuse led to elevated liver enzymes, nausea, edema, palpitations, rash, fatigue, and reduced appetite. Reproductive studies show no direct injection effects, but chronic exposure risks mutagenesis or aberrant crypt foci in the colon.

Grapeseed Oil
Extracted from Vitis vinifera seeds, grapeseed oil is less ubiquitous than cottonseed but favored in compounding for its lightness, appearing in ~10-15% of custom steroid injectables.

Benefits: Low viscosity (~28 cP) minimizes injection pain and allows smaller-gauge needles; rich in antioxidants (e.g., proanthocyanidins) that may reduce oxidative stress at injection sites. It enhances transdermal penetration in nanoemulsions and supports cardioprotective effects in adjunctive therapies.

Health Risks: Generally low risk profile, with few injection-specific cases; however, potential polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) contamination in poorly processed oils poses carcinogenic concerns. Oral supplement cases report recurrent nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and acute weakness, potentially extrapolating to systemic absorption post-injection. Allergic reactions include rash, itching, swelling, dizziness, and breathing difficulties; one compounded TRT formula warned of heart/kidney/liver exacerbation. Animal studies show no major toxicities, but human patch tests note mild irritation. In statin nanoemulsions, indirect risks like myalgia or hepatotoxicity stem from the API, not the oil. Overall, adverse events are rare (<1% in user reports), but monitoring for GI upset (diarrhea, bloating) is advised.

Medium-Chain Triglycerides (MCT Oil)
MCTs, typically C8-C10 fatty acids from coconut or palm kernel, are surging in popularity for injectables, used in ~25% of modern TRT formulations by compounding pharmacies and pharma innovators.

Benefits: Ultra-low viscosity (~30 cP) enables painless, rapid injections with minimal tissue residue; quick hepatic metabolism avoids long-term depots, reducing irritation while providing immediate bioavailability. Non-toxic in acute tests, with low ocular/dermal irritation and biodegradability.

Health Risks: Primarily GI-related: abdominal cramps, diarrhea, bloating, and nausea at high doses (>30g/day equivalent), due to rapid absorption overwhelming liver processing; rare fat accumulation in the liver (hepatic steatosis) in predisposed individuals. Allergic reactions manifest as hives, swelling, or anaphylaxis. In non-pharma misuse (e.g., bodybuilding oil injections), cases report irreversible muscle damage, paraffinomas (sclerosing lipogranulomas), ulcerations, infections, embolism, and fibrosis; one report detailed swelling, tenderness, and foreign-body granulomas post-IM injection. Pharma-grade use shows low toxicity, but diabetes/liver disease patients risk exacerbated issues. No reproductive/organ toxicities in animals, but start low to mitigate overeating from hunger hormone stimulation.

Miglyol 840
A synthetic propylene glycol diester (C8/C10), Miglyol 840 is a pharma-grade excipient used in ~5-10% of specialized IM formulations for its polarity and stability.

Benefits: Exceptional oxidative/thermal stability prevents rancidity, ideal for long-shelf-life injectables; low-medium viscosity (~13-15 cP) and high spreading facilitate even drug distribution. Biocompatible with poorly soluble APIs, enhancing solubility without irritation; fully metabolizable, reducing residue risks.

Health Risks: Minimal reported; animal toxicity studies (rat/monkey) show no injection-site reactions, histopathological changes, or systemic effects, even at high doses. Derived from propylene glycol, low oral exposure risks (e.g., no neuro/nephrotoxicity) apply, but injectables amplify potential for hyperkalemia or hypertension if API-interacting. No case reports of adverse events; human patch tests confirm no erythema/edema. Biodegradability minimizes environmental/long-term concerns, with only theoretical GI depression at extreme oral doses (>50,000 ppm in rats). Overall, considered a benchmark for safety in injectables.
 
@Akhunter I understand your concern given it's not as common (yet) and the fact that there is a lot of data supporting pharmaceutical applications with say cotton seed oil etc but that is with most things. There is a tipping point where an older method/product is improved and data is built against the new method/product to support or disprove the advances and/or benefits of the shift. This can result in failure but in a lot of cases things come out ahead as an advancement to current process.

I pulled in a number of medical research and pharmaceutical data sources, into Grok, comparing the common carrier oils, use by pharmaceutical companies over time including data seen in medical research on carrier oil benefits and risks.

This is summarized in a table below but I've also pasted the data leveraged to build this table at the end of this post. Couple key items stuck out to me was the shift by pharmacy to Mig840 and the health risks with all of the oils (Mig840 seemingly to have the least reported). So to your point there is a lot of data on prior carrier oils, but that data is only continuing to build out further with additional data supporting Mig as it is being leveraged further in the field.

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Summary of Common Carrier Oils in Injectable Drugs

Carrier oils play a critical role in the formulation of injectable drugs, particularly for lipophilic active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) that require solubilization for intramuscular (IM) or subcutaneous (SC) administration. These oils act as vehicles to ensure stability, controlled release, and biocompatibility, often forming depots that provide sustained drug delivery over days to weeks. In pharmaceutical and compounding pharmacy settings, the choice of carrier oil balances factors like viscosity (for ease of injection), solubility enhancement, and tissue tolerability. Common oils include sesame, soybean, and olive oils, but the focus here is on cottonseed oil, grapeseed oil, medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs), and Miglyol 840 (a propylene glycol monocaprylate, a semi-synthetic MCT variant).

Pharmaceutical companies frequently use these oils in commercial products, with cottonseed oil being one of the most established (e.g., in Pfizer's Depo-Testosterone for testosterone cypionate). Grapeseed oil is more prevalent in compounding pharmacies for custom testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) formulations due to its thinner profile. MCTs, including variants like Miglyol 840, are increasingly adopted for their low viscosity and rapid metabolism, appearing in modern TRT injectables and specialized depots for antipsychotics or hormones. Usage data from industry analyses indicate cottonseed oil in ~20-30% of oil-based IM formulations, grapeseed in ~10-15% (mostly compounded), MCTs in ~25% and rising, and Miglyol 840 in niche pharma applications (~5-10%) for high-stability needs. These oils are GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) by the FDA when refined, but risks arise from impurities, allergies, or misuse.

Cottonseed Oil
Cottonseed oil, derived from Gossypium seeds, is a longstanding pharmaceutical excipient refined to remove toxins like gossypol. It is highly common in commercial injectables, used by major firms like Pfizer for sustained-release depots in hormone therapies.

Benefits: Provides excellent solubilization for highly lipophilic drugs, enabling 2-4 week sustained release via IM depot formation as the oil slowly diffuses in muscle tissue. It offers chemical stability, compatibility with microemulsions for enhanced penetration, and cost-effectiveness in large-scale production.

Health Risks: Unrefined forms contain gossypol, aflatoxins, and cyclopropenoid fatty acids, linked to infertility (spermatogenesis inhibition in males), liver damage (elevated enzymes, hepatotoxicity), pregnancy complications (embryotoxicity), respiratory distress, and anorexia. Case reports document hypersensitivity: seven patients experienced systemic reactions (urticaria, angioedema, anaphylaxis) after ingesting supplements, with skin testing confirming IgE-mediated allergy to cottonseed protein; similar risks apply to injectables, exacerbating allergic rhinitis or asthma. Accidental veterinary injections (e.g., ceftiofur in cottonseed oil) caused deep infections, necrosis, and recurrent abscesses requiring debridement and antibiotics. Local IM reactions include pain, erythema, swelling, nodules, and furuncles; high-dose anabolic misuse led to elevated liver enzymes, nausea, edema, palpitations, rash, fatigue, and reduced appetite. Reproductive studies show no direct injection effects, but chronic exposure risks mutagenesis or aberrant crypt foci in the colon.

Grapeseed Oil
Extracted from Vitis vinifera seeds, grapeseed oil is less ubiquitous than cottonseed but favored in compounding for its lightness, appearing in ~10-15% of custom steroid injectables.

Benefits: Low viscosity (~28 cP) minimizes injection pain and allows smaller-gauge needles; rich in antioxidants (e.g., proanthocyanidins) that may reduce oxidative stress at injection sites. It enhances transdermal penetration in nanoemulsions and supports cardioprotective effects in adjunctive therapies.

Health Risks: Generally low risk profile, with few injection-specific cases; however, potential polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) contamination in poorly processed oils poses carcinogenic concerns. Oral supplement cases report recurrent nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and acute weakness, potentially extrapolating to systemic absorption post-injection. Allergic reactions include rash, itching, swelling, dizziness, and breathing difficulties; one compounded TRT formula warned of heart/kidney/liver exacerbation. Animal studies show no major toxicities, but human patch tests note mild irritation. In statin nanoemulsions, indirect risks like myalgia or hepatotoxicity stem from the API, not the oil. Overall, adverse events are rare (<1% in user reports), but monitoring for GI upset (diarrhea, bloating) is advised.

Medium-Chain Triglycerides (MCT Oil)
MCTs, typically C8-C10 fatty acids from coconut or palm kernel, are surging in popularity for injectables, used in ~25% of modern TRT formulations by compounding pharmacies and pharma innovators.

Benefits: Ultra-low viscosity (~30 cP) enables painless, rapid injections with minimal tissue residue; quick hepatic metabolism avoids long-term depots, reducing irritation while providing immediate bioavailability. Non-toxic in acute tests, with low ocular/dermal irritation and biodegradability.

Health Risks: Primarily GI-related: abdominal cramps, diarrhea, bloating, and nausea at high doses (>30g/day equivalent), due to rapid absorption overwhelming liver processing; rare fat accumulation in the liver (hepatic steatosis) in predisposed individuals. Allergic reactions manifest as hives, swelling, or anaphylaxis. In non-pharma misuse (e.g., bodybuilding oil injections), cases report irreversible muscle damage, paraffinomas (sclerosing lipogranulomas), ulcerations, infections, embolism, and fibrosis; one report detailed swelling, tenderness, and foreign-body granulomas post-IM injection. Pharma-grade use shows low toxicity, but diabetes/liver disease patients risk exacerbated issues. No reproductive/organ toxicities in animals, but start low to mitigate overeating from hunger hormone stimulation.

Miglyol 840
A synthetic propylene glycol diester (C8/C10), Miglyol 840 is a pharma-grade excipient used in ~5-10% of specialized IM formulations for its polarity and stability.

Benefits: Exceptional oxidative/thermal stability prevents rancidity, ideal for long-shelf-life injectables; low-medium viscosity (~13-15 cP) and high spreading facilitate even drug distribution. Biocompatible with poorly soluble APIs, enhancing solubility without irritation; fully metabolizable, reducing residue risks.

Health Risks: Minimal reported; animal toxicity studies (rat/monkey) show no injection-site reactions, histopathological changes, or systemic effects, even at high doses. Derived from propylene glycol, low oral exposure risks (e.g., no neuro/nephrotoxicity) apply, but injectables amplify potential for hyperkalemia or hypertension if API-interacting. No case reports of adverse events; human patch tests confirm no erythema/edema. Biodegradability minimizes environmental/long-term concerns, with only theoretical GI depression at extreme oral doses (>50,000 ppm in rats). Overall, considered a benchmark for safety in injectables.
Thank you for that info After digging deeper, as I should have from the beginning, I. came across all that data and then some. I stand corrected and have change my mind/opinion on the use of MIG840. Numbers alone never tell the whole story
 
Here is another study that indicates the benefits of Miglyol for both hematocrit and LDL cholesterol.

 
Thank you for that info After digging deeper, as I should have from the beginning, I. came across all that data and then some. I stand corrected and have change my mind/opinion on the use of MIG840. Numbers alone never tell the whole story
I love when someone can engage in a discussion with an open mind, research the topic, and charge their opinion if research determines!
 
@Akhunter I understand your concern given it's not as common (yet) and the fact that there is a lot of data supporting pharmaceutical applications with say cotton seed oil etc but that is with most things. There is a tipping point where an older method/product is improved and data is built against the new method/product to support or disprove the advances and/or benefits of the shift. This can result in failure but in a lot of cases things come out ahead as an advancement to current process.

I pulled in a number of medical research and pharmaceutical data sources, into Grok, comparing the common carrier oils, use by pharmaceutical companies over time including data seen in medical research on carrier oil benefits and risks.

This is summarized in a table below but I've also pasted the data leveraged to build this table at the end of this post. Couple key items stuck out to me was the shift by pharmacy to Mig840 and the health risks with all of the oils (Mig840 seemingly to have the least reported). So to your point there is a lot of data on prior carrier oils, but that data is only continuing to build out further with additional data supporting Mig as it is being leveraged further in the field.

View attachment 205214

Summary of Common Carrier Oils in Injectable Drugs

Carrier oils play a critical role in the formulation of injectable drugs, particularly for lipophilic active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) that require solubilization for intramuscular (IM) or subcutaneous (SC) administration. These oils act as vehicles to ensure stability, controlled release, and biocompatibility, often forming depots that provide sustained drug delivery over days to weeks. In pharmaceutical and compounding pharmacy settings, the choice of carrier oil balances factors like viscosity (for ease of injection), solubility enhancement, and tissue tolerability. Common oils include sesame, soybean, and olive oils, but the focus here is on cottonseed oil, grapeseed oil, medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs), and Miglyol 840 (a propylene glycol monocaprylate, a semi-synthetic MCT variant).

Pharmaceutical companies frequently use these oils in commercial products, with cottonseed oil being one of the most established (e.g., in Pfizer's Depo-Testosterone for testosterone cypionate). Grapeseed oil is more prevalent in compounding pharmacies for custom testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) formulations due to its thinner profile. MCTs, including variants like Miglyol 840, are increasingly adopted for their low viscosity and rapid metabolism, appearing in modern TRT injectables and specialized depots for antipsychotics or hormones. Usage data from industry analyses indicate cottonseed oil in ~20-30% of oil-based IM formulations, grapeseed in ~10-15% (mostly compounded), MCTs in ~25% and rising, and Miglyol 840 in niche pharma applications (~5-10%) for high-stability needs. These oils are GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe) by the FDA when refined, but risks arise from impurities, allergies, or misuse.

Cottonseed Oil
Cottonseed oil, derived from Gossypium seeds, is a longstanding pharmaceutical excipient refined to remove toxins like gossypol. It is highly common in commercial injectables, used by major firms like Pfizer for sustained-release depots in hormone therapies.

Benefits: Provides excellent solubilization for highly lipophilic drugs, enabling 2-4 week sustained release via IM depot formation as the oil slowly diffuses in muscle tissue. It offers chemical stability, compatibility with microemulsions for enhanced penetration, and cost-effectiveness in large-scale production.

Health Risks: Unrefined forms contain gossypol, aflatoxins, and cyclopropenoid fatty acids, linked to infertility (spermatogenesis inhibition in males), liver damage (elevated enzymes, hepatotoxicity), pregnancy complications (embryotoxicity), respiratory distress, and anorexia. Case reports document hypersensitivity: seven patients experienced systemic reactions (urticaria, angioedema, anaphylaxis) after ingesting supplements, with skin testing confirming IgE-mediated allergy to cottonseed protein; similar risks apply to injectables, exacerbating allergic rhinitis or asthma. Accidental veterinary injections (e.g., ceftiofur in cottonseed oil) caused deep infections, necrosis, and recurrent abscesses requiring debridement and antibiotics. Local IM reactions include pain, erythema, swelling, nodules, and furuncles; high-dose anabolic misuse led to elevated liver enzymes, nausea, edema, palpitations, rash, fatigue, and reduced appetite. Reproductive studies show no direct injection effects, but chronic exposure risks mutagenesis or aberrant crypt foci in the colon.

Grapeseed Oil
Extracted from Vitis vinifera seeds, grapeseed oil is less ubiquitous than cottonseed but favored in compounding for its lightness, appearing in ~10-15% of custom steroid injectables.

Benefits: Low viscosity (~28 cP) minimizes injection pain and allows smaller-gauge needles; rich in antioxidants (e.g., proanthocyanidins) that may reduce oxidative stress at injection sites. It enhances transdermal penetration in nanoemulsions and supports cardioprotective effects in adjunctive therapies.

Health Risks: Generally low risk profile, with few injection-specific cases; however, potential polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) contamination in poorly processed oils poses carcinogenic concerns. Oral supplement cases report recurrent nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and acute weakness, potentially extrapolating to systemic absorption post-injection. Allergic reactions include rash, itching, swelling, dizziness, and breathing difficulties; one compounded TRT formula warned of heart/kidney/liver exacerbation. Animal studies show no major toxicities, but human patch tests note mild irritation. In statin nanoemulsions, indirect risks like myalgia or hepatotoxicity stem from the API, not the oil. Overall, adverse events are rare (<1% in user reports), but monitoring for GI upset (diarrhea, bloating) is advised.

Medium-Chain Triglycerides (MCT Oil)
MCTs, typically C8-C10 fatty acids from coconut or palm kernel, are surging in popularity for injectables, used in ~25% of modern TRT formulations by compounding pharmacies and pharma innovators.

Benefits: Ultra-low viscosity (~30 cP) enables painless, rapid injections with minimal tissue residue; quick hepatic metabolism avoids long-term depots, reducing irritation while providing immediate bioavailability. Non-toxic in acute tests, with low ocular/dermal irritation and biodegradability.

Health Risks: Primarily GI-related: abdominal cramps, diarrhea, bloating, and nausea at high doses (>30g/day equivalent), due to rapid absorption overwhelming liver processing; rare fat accumulation in the liver (hepatic steatosis) in predisposed individuals. Allergic reactions manifest as hives, swelling, or anaphylaxis. In non-pharma misuse (e.g., bodybuilding oil injections), cases report irreversible muscle damage, paraffinomas (sclerosing lipogranulomas), ulcerations, infections, embolism, and fibrosis; one report detailed swelling, tenderness, and foreign-body granulomas post-IM injection. Pharma-grade use shows low toxicity, but diabetes/liver disease patients risk exacerbated issues. No reproductive/organ toxicities in animals, but start low to mitigate overeating from hunger hormone stimulation.

Miglyol 840
A synthetic propylene glycol diester (C8/C10), Miglyol 840 is a pharma-grade excipient used in ~5-10% of specialized IM formulations for its polarity and stability.

Benefits: Exceptional oxidative/thermal stability prevents rancidity, ideal for long-shelf-life injectables; low-medium viscosity (~13-15 cP) and high spreading facilitate even drug distribution. Biocompatible with poorly soluble APIs, enhancing solubility without irritation; fully metabolizable, reducing residue risks.

Health Risks: Minimal reported; animal toxicity studies (rat/monkey) show no injection-site reactions, histopathological changes, or systemic effects, even at high doses. Derived from propylene glycol, low oral exposure risks (e.g., no neuro/nephrotoxicity) apply, but injectables amplify potential for hyperkalemia or hypertension if API-interacting. No case reports of adverse events; human patch tests confirm no erythema/edema. Biodegradability minimizes environmental/long-term concerns, with only theoretical GI depression at extreme oral doses (>50,000 ppm in rats). Overall, considered a benchmark for safety in injectables.
Thank you for taking the time to post this, much appreciated 🤓
 
Mig840 is the smoothest oil you'll ever use.

You'll see. It flows almost like water.

You have to be careful not to put too much pressure on the barrel when injecting because you'll inject way faster. It doesn't take nearly as much pressure to inject.

It's very "user friendly".

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@Marathon Does either the Test E or Cyp come brewed with Mig840? Pretty interested in trying out a different carrier oil this time
 
yes the cyp and the test e as of today are in mig840
Great news @Marathon! Do the new mig oil vials have some form of marking on them to distinguish between Test E vials if you had the old and new? Or will it be easy to tell by looking at the consistency of them?
 
yes the cyp and the test e as of today are in mig840

yes the cyp and the test e as of today are in mig840

Just new orders or has it been for a bit? Curious as I just bought a bunch of cyp (well, a bunch for me anyway) a week or so ago and wonder if it’s in the new carrier…

Thanks!


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Be very curious to hear about the test E with myg840. When 840 first hit the market about 6-7 yrs ago it was hyped up all over the forums. Several sources switched to 840 as the carrier, after about a year most everyone switched back to a different carrier, the consensus was mig840 caused more pip, especially with certain compounds like Test E.
I did a test run with it in test E and had several people try it and infact most people reported more pip. There will be a percentage of customers who can’t use it, the only question is how many and if that’s acceptable.
 
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Be very curious to hear about the test E with myg840. When 840 first hit the market about 6-7 yrs ago it was hyped up all over the forums. Several sources switched to 840 as the carrier, after about a year most everyone switched back to a different carrier, the consensus was mig840 caused more pip, especially with certain compounds like Test E.
I did a test run with it in test E and had several people try it and infact most people reported more pip. There will be a percentage of customers who can’t use it, the only question is how many and if that’s acceptable.

I hope im not one of the one’s who can’t use it, as I just bought a bundle from him


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I hope im not one of the one’s who can’t use it, as I just bought a bundle from him


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it seemed to work fine with some compounds but not so much in others, don’t remember all of them, but do remember Test E being one. 840 actually acts as a solvent so you can cut the BB way down, I think that will be key to making it work in a compound like test E which doesn’t require much bb; using 840 as 100% carrier might negate the use of BB altogether and I think finding the right ratio would be key to making it work for the most peope. I didn’t do enough experimenting to find out.
Also if you mix the carrier, like mixing 840 with MCT at 20/80 then you can fix it that way too, several people were doing that too, i
Believe it can be mixed with any carrier but I only tried MCT, the ratio of around 20/80 or 30/70 seemed to be best but like I said earlier the BB ratio is very important also.

Similar to using EO, there’s a few people who can’t use it, some have problems with test E no matter how it made. There always seems to be some percentage of people who can’t use certain things.
 
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it seemed to work fine with some compounds but not so much in others, don’t remember all of them, but do remember Test E being one. 840 actually acts as a solvent so you can cut the BB way down, I think that will be key to making it work in a compound like test E which doesn’t require much bb using 840 as 100% carrier might negate the use of BB altogether and I think finding the right ratio would be key to making it work. I didn’t do enough experimenting to find out.
Also if you mix the carrier, like mixing 840 with MCT at 20/80 then you can fix it that way too, several people were doing that too, i
Believe it can be mixed with any carrier but I only tried MCT, the ratio of around 20/80 or 30/70 seemed to be best but like I said earlier the BB ratio is very important also.

Similar to using EO, there’s a few people who can’t use it, some have problems with test E no matter how it made. There always seems to be some percentage of people who can’t use certain things.

If I’ve been using test e in mct with no issues, do you think it’s worth trying to make the switch?


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If I’ve been using test e in mct with no issues, do you think it’s worth trying to make the switch?


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It’s worth a try sure, some people love it, some people hate it. As a source you want to make a product that everyone can use of course but it’s hard to do that when a certain segment of customers react to certain things but that’s how it is and always will be. I’ve heard some people that claim they can’t take MCT either, there will always be a few people like that no matter what you do.
 
Great news @Marathon! Do the new mig oil vials have some form of marking on them to distinguish between Test E vials if you had the old and new? Or will it be easy to tell by looking at the consistency of them?
You should be able to tell when you draw the oil
 
it seemed to work fine with some compounds but not so much in others, don’t remember all of them, but do remember Test E being one. 840 actually acts as a solvent so you can cut the BB way down, I think that will be key to making it work in a compound like test E which doesn’t require much bb; using 840 as 100% carrier might negate the use of BB altogether and I think finding the right ratio would be key to making it work for the most peope. I didn’t do enough experimenting to find out.
Also if you mix the carrier, like mixing 840 with MCT at 20/80 then you can fix it that way too, several people were doing that too, i
Believe it can be mixed with any carrier but I only tried MCT, the ratio of around 20/80 or 30/70 seemed to be best but like I said earlier the BB ratio is very important also.

Similar to using EO, there’s a few people who can’t use it, some have problems with test E no matter how it made. There always seems to be some percentage of people who can’t use certain things.
Isn't Test E more prone to causing PIP compared to Test Cyp? I remember people blaming a batch of bad Test E raws a while back. Was that ever resolved? I definitely ended up with golf ball sized knots because of Test E (too many variable though, carrier oil, solvents so I hesitate to pin the blame purely on the ester.)

I actually find it surprising given that Test E is easier to dissolve and doesn't require a higher solvent ratio than Cyp. I would guess that Cyp is the pippy one!
 
Just new orders or has it been for a bit? Curious as I just bought a bunch of cyp (well, a bunch for me anyway) a week or so ago and wonder if it’s in the new carrier…

Thanks!


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If you bought the cyp a week ago then it should be the new carrier oil.
 
it seemed to work fine with some compounds but not so much in others, don’t remember all of them, but do remember Test E being one. 840 actually acts as a solvent so you can cut the BB way down, I think that will be key to making it work in a compound like test E which doesn’t require much bb; using 840 as 100% carrier might negate the use of BB altogether and I think finding the right ratio would be key to making it work for the most peope. I didn’t do enough experimenting to find out.
Also if you mix the carrier, like mixing 840 with MCT at 20/80 then you can fix it that way too, several people were doing that too, i
Believe it can be mixed with any carrier but I only tried MCT, the ratio of around 20/80 or 30/70 seemed to be best but like I said earlier the BB ratio is very important also.

Similar to using EO, there’s a few people who can’t use it, some have problems with test E no matter how it made. There always seems to be some percentage of people who can’t use certain things.
You can compound test e with 0 BB regardless of the carrier oil. I use a very small amount though, enough to dissolve the hormone before adding the carrier oil. I've been using the mig 840 in primo 200 for years with no complaints. It's Something to keep in mind though, thanks for the info.
 
Isn't Test E more prone to causing PIP compared to Test Cyp? I remember people blaming a batch of bad Test E raws a while back. Was that ever resolved? I definitely ended up with golf ball sized knots because of Test E (too many variable though, carrier oil, solvents so I hesitate to pin the blame purely on the ester.)

I actually find it surprising given that Test E is easier to dissolve and doesn't require a higher solvent ratio than Cyp. I would guess that Cyp is the pippy one!
I've seen more random complaints about test e than any other ester over the years. The raw materials have a much shorter shelf life and will start to degrade much faster than the others. Particularly if it's not stored properly. If you compound and inject expired test e raws it will light your ass up o_O
 

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